New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Lilbaz]

If new planning intentions could be damaging to us in our long running Archway dispute, why on earth is edmonton leaking this information?
We already knew Archway is not the only problem - but the club have to tackle the issues one by one.

It's not really admissible in court. Otherwise A&C would be doing 20 to life.

 

[spud]

It's not really admissible in court. Otherwise A&C would be doing 20 to life.

How do you know that he isn't?

 

[worcestersauce]

Archway could argue that but it would be invalid, any changes would still be for a stadium and so all issues taken into account for the CPO would be relevant, unless of course the changes are because we want to build a train station instead.

 

[Lighty64]

How do you know that he isn't?

cause he told me he isn't dodgy in a chat with him, and i kind of believed him

 

[Roynie]

Once the CPO is signed, sealed and delivered the premises become the councils property and they will, by all accounts, passing it on to the club in one form or another. After that any new application becomes much easier because all of the affected property or ground is already owned by the club. Any changes affecting the design or numbers of seats which need planning permission but don't affect the overall footprint of the stadium should be fairly straigh forward, surely! But then again this is THFC so things are never that simple are they!

 

[whitesocks]

Once the CPO is signed, sealed and delivered the premises become the councils property and they will, by all accounts, passing it on to the club in one form or another. After that any new application becomes much easier because all of the affected property or ground is already owned by the club. Any changes affecting the design or numbers of seats which need planning permission but don't affect the overall footprint of the stadium should be fairly straigh forward, surely! But then again this is THFC so things are never that simple are they!

Height is often a problem - and why the gooners had to move.
NFL stadiums have to be even taller so those in the bottom tier can see over the crowds of walking fridges.
Not sure what they could do with edmonton's information, but it seems to me that the less information Archway have, the better.

 

[Zoob32]

Height is often a problem - and why the gooners had to move.
NFL stadiums have to be even taller so those in the bottom tier can see over the crowds of walking fridges.
Not sure what they could do with edmonton's information, but it seems to me that the less information Archway have, the better.

Not sure what you mean by height. Height as in total height of the entire stadium? Or height from the playing field to the first row? If its the latter, then yes most american football stadiums have a higher gap between the first row and the playing field.

If its the former that's not necessarily true. Michigan Stadium, the third largest sports stadium in the world and hosts of the University of Michigan's football team, is much much shorter than probably White Hart Lane is (aside from the added Suite Boxes on the sides). Here is a good picture of what I mean:

The ground level at which you walk up to is basically at the split between the lighter and darker blue seats. It doesn't look big at all from the ground, because it's sunken into the ground versus building upright. Yes the added suite boxes on the sides do go up quite a bit, but in comparison to other stadiums its relatively short, because the playing surface is sunk so far down below natural ground level.

 

[Lilbaz]

Not sure what you mean by height. Height as in total height of the entire stadium? Or height from the playing field to the first row? If its the latter, then yes most american football stadiums have a higher gap between the first row and the playing field.

If its the former that's not necessarily true. Michigan Stadium, the third largest sports stadium in the world and hosts of the University of Michigan's football team, is much much shorter than probably White Hart Lane is (aside from the added Suite Boxes on the sides). Here is a good picture of what I mean:

The ground level at which you walk up to is basically at the split between the lighter and darker blue seats. It doesn't look big at all from the ground, because it's sunken into the ground versus building upright. Yes the added suite boxes on the sides do go up quite a bit, but in comparison to other stadiums its relatively short, because the playing surface is sunk so far down below natural ground level.

Don't know if we can do that at WHL as it will disturb the water table. We have the reservoirs not far away.

 

[Zoob32]

Don't know if we can do that at WHL as it will disturb the water table. We have the reservoirs not far away.

They installed the old Astroturf at that stadium in the 70s and when injury concerns came up, they tried reverting back to grass but because it was below grade and already so close to the water table the grass was a consistent problem there as well.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tottenham fans set to trek 50 miles to Milton Keynes for at least two seasons while new Spurs base is built

• Tottenham are to play home games at MK Dons home Stadium:mk
• The design for Spurs new ground can't be built in stages
• The Mail on Sunday reveals fans will have to travel for two years or more

Tottenham face at least two years playing in Milton Keynes as they build their new stadium, the Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The news will dismay Spurs fans, who must trek 50 miles to the land of concrete cows not just for a single campaign but for two seasons — maybe more.

The nightmare scenario has been forced on Spurs because their stadium design won’t allow for the project to be built in phases.

Club officials recently admitted they would have to move out for a season when they receive the go-ahead to start building.

However, the prospect of long-term displacement raises concerns Spurs could be forced to play in front of low crowds for a damaging period.

Stadium:mk holds a little over 30,000 supporters.

Spurs hope to receive the green light in January when a High Court hearing will look into a major challenge to their plans.

Work on the new stadium has been held back by a local business that has refused to move to make way for the development and has used its right to appeal against a CPO decision in July that went in favour of the club.

Spurs recently confirmed delays meant they would not have a home stadium for the 2017-18 season, and would have to play home matches somewhere else.

However, as well as the prospect of additional time away from White Hart Lane, there is growing acceptance from officials that the stadium project may not be ready to open until 2020-21.

 

[danielneeds]

This is very bad if true.

 

[beats1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tottenham fans set to trek 50 miles to Milton Keynes for at least two seasons while new Spurs base is built

• Tottenham are to play home games at MK Dons home Stadium:mk
• The design for Spurs new ground can't be built in stages
• The Mail on Sunday reveals fans will have to travel for two years or more

Tottenham face at least two years playing in Milton Keynes as they build their new stadium, the Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The news will dismay Spurs fans, who must trek 50 miles to the land of concrete cows not just for a single campaign but for two seasons — maybe more.

The nightmare scenario has been forced on Spurs because their stadium design won’t allow for the project to be built in phases.

Club officials recently admitted they would have to move out for a season when they receive the go-ahead to start building.

However, the prospect of long-term displacement raises concerns Spurs could be forced to play in front of low crowds for a damaging period.

Stadium:mk holds a little over 30,000 supporters.

Spurs hope to receive the green light in January when a High Court hearing will look into a major challenge to their plans.

Work on the new stadium has been held back by a local business that has refused to move to make way for the development and has used its right to appeal against a CPO decision in July that went in favour of the club.

Spurs recently confirmed delays meant they would not have a home stadium for the 2017-18 season, and would have to play home matches somewhere else.

However, as well as the prospect of additional time away from White Hart Lane, there is growing acceptance from officials that the stadium project may not be ready to open until 2020-21.

Stadium Design Change? Possibly?

A different roof design would almost mean that we couldn't build in phases like a compression ring design(though they do apparently create shit atmospheres.

 

[ginola99]

2020/21!?! Very worry if true. The club now needs to be transparent about this and the project as a whole. We could be about to go down a very scary road and I base that more on gut feeling than initial reaction to the article.

I saw a pic today of Valencia's new owner at their half built stadium, works stopped 5 years ago, and thought 'at least we haven't gone through what they have'....well at they least started works!

 

[Lilbaz]

2020/21!?! Very worry if true. The club now needs to be transparent about this and the project as a whole. We could be about to go down a very scary road and I base that more on gut feeling than initial reaction to the article.

I saw a pic today of Valencia's new owner at their half built stadium, works stopped 5 years ago, and thought 'at least we haven't gone through what they have'....well at they least started works!

We'll have to wait till the CPO is done, before we get anything concrete.

I wouldn't worry about the article too much. Think it is all rumour at this stage.

 

[cliff jones]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Tottenham fans set to trek 50 miles to Milton Keynes for at least two seasons while new Spurs base is built

• Tottenham are to play home games at MK Dons home Stadium:mk
• The design for Spurs new ground can't be built in stages
• The Mail on Sunday reveals fans will have to travel for two years or more

Tottenham face at least two years playing in Milton Keynes as they build their new stadium, the Mail on Sunday can reveal.

The news will dismay Spurs fans, who must trek 50 miles to the land of concrete cows not just for a single campaign but for two seasons — maybe more.

The nightmare scenario has been forced on Spurs because their stadium design won’t allow for the project to be built in phases.

Club officials recently admitted they would have to move out for a season when they receive the go-ahead to start building.

However, the prospect of long-term displacement raises concerns Spurs could be forced to play in front of low crowds for a damaging period.

Stadium:mk holds a little over 30,000 supporters.

Spurs hope to receive the green light in January when a High Court hearing will look into a major challenge to their plans.

Work on the new stadium has been held back by a local business that has refused to move to make way for the development and has used its right to appeal against a CPO decision in July that went in favour of the club.

Spurs recently confirmed delays meant they would not have a home stadium for the 2017-18 season, and would have to play home matches somewhere else.

However, as well as the prospect of additional time away from White Hart Lane, there is growing acceptance from officials that the stadium project may not be ready to open until 2020-21.

Until the last line the story is simply a rehash of what they have written before. As for the last line, well they've either made it up or somebody has put it out there. Not an uncommon tactic to give really bad news only to then give slightly better news to gain acceptance. I don't understand the suggestion we need further planning permission, including whether that would undermine the cpo, but I'd certainly hope not. Sliding down the table, combined with any further self inflicted delays to the stadium project would not sit well with most.

 

[worcestersauce]

Based on nothing that they haven't been saying for a year, where is the new evidence or quotes for this?
the worst part is having to play in a stadium with a capacity a little over 30,000 can you imagine that

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Based on nothing that they haven't been saying for a year, where is the new evidence or quotes for this?
the worst part is having to play in a stadium with a capacity a little over 30,000 can you imagine that

There are never quotes for articles about our new stadium. The whole quotes thing is completely overhyped TBH

 

[Lilbaz]

There are never quotes for articles about our new stadium. The whole quotes thing is completely overhyped TBH

The quotes are usually the only part of a football article I read, unless it's a match report/in depth report. The article is usually full of the journalists bias/sensationalism. The quotes are what the truth is.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

The quotes are usually the only part of a football article I read, unless it's a match report/in depth report. The article is usually full of the journalists bias/sensationalism. The quotes are what the truth is.

Sorry it's nonsense mate. Should we ignore all ITK/Transfer stories because there are never quotes?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

Sorry it's nonsense mate. Should we ignore all ITK/Transfer stories because there are never quotes?

Largely, yes.