New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Graysonti]

Am I the only one that read "pussy filing" on those machines?

No

Proof work is ongoing and this is happening.

Not unless our owners like pissing money paying for machinery to drive up and down in mud.

 

[JimmyG2]

Just a few handfuls of grass seed and we're good to go.
Thanks to all those people in the know about these technical things
for keeping us informed.

 

[L.A. Yiddo]

These photos were taken today. Appeared on my twitter feed. Looks like work is ongoing.

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The curvature of the sheet piles there looks suspiciously like the curve of the stadium.

 

[SpurSince57]

Am I the only one that read "pussy filing" on those machines?

You probably think that's a trork lift fuck, don't you?

 

[Hoopspur]

Am I the only one that read "pussy filing" on those machines?

Got to say fussey piles isn't much better..........

 

[mano-obe]

So what happens if Archway Steel doesn't move? I can't blame them being there for many years as a family business. What then?

Can anyone explain why The Lane cannot be expanded for 150-200m adding 14,000 seats?

 

[SpurSince57]

So what happens if Archway Steel doesn't move? I can't blame them being there for many years as a family business. What then?

Can anyone explain why The Lane cannot be expanded for 150-200m adding 14,000 seats?

Oh, I think they will, eventually.

Take a look at Google Earth.

 

[longtimespur]

So what happens if Archway Steel doesn't move? I can't blame them being there for many years as a family business. What then?

Can anyone explain why The Lane cannot be expanded for 150-200m adding 14,000 seats?

I think Archway might be in the way of expanding northwards if that's what you're querying.

 

[mano-obe]

I think Archway might be in the way of expanding northwards if that's what you're querying.

I am aware of that but what then if they don't move?

Liverpool were going to move away for 400m but now are redeveloping for 150m and saving 250m pounds. Their attendance will be close to 60,000.

I always wondered why the West Stand couldn't be blown out there is plenty of space and for underground parking if needed, I'm wondering if they could have a stand like they do at The Bridge? I'm sure Sugar had planning permission to redevelop the East Stand years ago too but didn't go through with it for some reason or another

 

[Lilbaz]

I am aware of that but what then if they don't move?

Liverpool were going to move away for 400m but now are redeveloping for 150m and saving 250m pounds. Their attendance will be close to 60,000.

I always wondered why the West Stand couldn't be blown out there is plenty of space and for underground parking if needed, I'm wondering if they could have a stand like they do at The Bridge? I'm sure Sugar had planning permission to redevelop the East Stand years ago too but didn't go through with it for some reason or another

Capacity is only a small part. We want to increase the corporate and have it in use every day of the week whether football is on or not.
Also we want to build 275 new homes that will help with the costs of the build and a massive new shop.

 

[SpurSince57]

I am aware of that but what then if they don't move?

Liverpool were going to move away for 400m but now are redeveloping for 150m and saving 250m pounds. Their attendance will be close to 60,000.

I always wondered why the West Stand couldn't be blown out there is plenty of space and for underground parking if needed, I'm wondering if they could have a stand like they do at The Bridge? I'm sure Sugar had planning permission to redevelop the East Stand years ago too but didn't go through with it for some reason or another

Anfield's current capacity is 45,000, the Lane's just 36,000. It's relatively easy for them to increase capacity by another 10,000-15,000, whereas we're looking at 20,000-25,000. Sugar did receive provisional planning position. but as I recall there was a good deal of opposition because one plan involved cantilevering the stand out over Worcester Avenue. I'll see if I can dig up some info. However, that would only have taken the capacity up to 45,000, and we'd have lost 10,000 seats while it was being built.

The moral is, if you want bags of room for stadium expansion, get the Luftwaffe to bomb your ground and the surrounding area flat. United have never looked back!

 

[timfrancis]

Sugar did receive provisional planning position. but as I recall there was a good deal of opposition because one plan involved cantilevering the stand out over Worcester Avenue. I'll see if I can dig up some info. However, that would only have taken the capacity up to 45,000, and we'd have lost 10,000 seats while it was being built.

Found this which I think is from 2001, which would make it something proposed by ENIC I believe.
http://www.certusdesign.co.uk/resources/downloads/Planning Statement.pdf

 

[SpurSince57]

That's brilliant, Tim. Well dug.

The illustration on p5 is what I was referring to in my previous post, although I didn't remember it quite right. There was a lot of local opposition to the idea of closing Worcester Avenue and building the stand out over it—it really didn't take into account the fact there's a large secondary school over the way (and a primary), and that it would have made access to them problematical. (If the club had known how things would go, it might have bought that land.)

However, even if this plan had gone through we'd have been looking to expand further. There would also have been a substantial loss of revenue while the stand was being rebuilt.

 

[tony_parkes]

Found this which I think is from 2001, which would make it something proposed by ENIC I believe.
http://www.certusdesign.co.uk/resources/downloads/Planning Statement.pdf

What's interesting about that article to me is on page 3, listing all the proposed expansions or new stadiums of the then premier league teams grounds.

Most of them haven't gone ahead or haven't expanded to the capacity quoted......

The ones that have or are close to current capacity;

Arsenal
Chelsea
Leicester
United
Southampton

Showing perhaps, that it isn't very easy to build a new stadium!

 

[markiespurs]

What's interesting about that article to me is on page 3, listing all the proposed expansions or new stadiums of the then premier league teams grounds.

Most of them haven't gone ahead or haven't expanded to the capacity quoted......

The ones that have or are close to current capacity;

Arsenal
Chelsea
Leicester
United
Southampton

Showing perhaps, that it isn't very easy to build a new stadium!

Nah, the Enic out brigade will never believe this

 

[Spurs_Q8]

Anfield's current capacity is 45,000, the Lane's just 36,000. It's relatively easy for them to increase capacity by another 10,000-15,000, whereas we're looking at 20,000-25,000. Sugar did receive provisional planning position. but as I recall there was a good deal of opposition because one plan involved cantilevering the stand out over Worcester Avenue. I'll see if I can dig up some info. However, that would only have taken the capacity up to 45,000, and we'd have lost 10,000 seats while it was being built.

The moral is, if you want bags of room for stadium expansion, get the Luftwaffe to bomb your ground and the surrounding area flat. United have never looked back!

I can understand the situation now, but several years ago, we were talking about a stadium with similar capacity to 65,000 at Emirates, it's reduced to 60,000, now 56,000 .. I think £450M for 20,000 seats is too much, even thought it's development for the whole area.

 

[worcestersauce]

I can understand the situation now, but several years ago, we were talking about a stadium with similar capacity to 65,000 at Emirates, it's reduced to 60,000, now 56,000 .. I think £450M for 20,000 seats is too much, even thought it's development for the whole area.

I don't remember any talk of 65,000 mind you the emirates is only 60,000, I thought the first figure was 56,000 to be honest and if anything I think that will rise but it's not specifically the 20,000 seats its also the additional corporate and extra curricular oppertunities to increase our finances plus, hopefully, a big fat stadium sponsorship deal which is much more attractive than an old ground dome up..

 

[ginola99]

I can understand the situation now, but several years ago, we were talking about a stadium with similar capacity to 65,000 at Emirates, it's reduced to 60,000, now 56,000 .. I think £450M for 20,000 seats is too much, even thought it's development for the whole area.

This was announced on Friday.

"Bayern Munich has repaid Allianz Arena ahead of time

The Allianz Arena cost €346 million. It is being reported that FC Bayern Munich has managed to pay off "all debts, loans and costs" related to the Arena during the 2014 calendar year, around 16 years ahead of schedule."

http://stadiumdb.com/news/2014/11/munich_bayern_repaid_allianz_arena_ahead_of_plan

€346m (£273m) for no increase whatsoever, and look at them now, enjoying arguably the most successful period in their history in a over 4 decades. The FA paid £757m for an increase of 10,000 seats having to share club stadiums and the Welsh national stadium for some 7 years, let alone 1 or 2!

Whilst I would love to see the current Lane become 3 tiered all he way round I accept that in both a practical and financial sense it is not viable. A new stadium such as the one which is planned has both these things. My only concern being that it lacks the ability to be expanded at a reasonable cost, curvy upper teirs as well as roof looks to a costly challenge in my eye of no expertise in engineering, if anyone knows otherwise then please say.

It's not just 20,000 extra seats, it's (in the current plans) also 120 boxes that can be charged at approximately £80-100k per season, it is also 5,500 corporate seats being charged roughly £3000 per head whilst also having 40-45,000 season tickets not the current 24,000.

Wilst there remains uncertainty on the financing, final design and capacity of the new stadium one yhing remians certain, if Levy & co can learn from both the successes and mistakes of previous projects (Wembley, Allianz, Juventus Stadium, Emirates, Amex etc) then this club will be in the best possible position it can be to grow and hopefully, above all else, challange for (and fingers crossed win) major honours.

 

[spursfan77]

Frustratingly I can't go, but I had a call yesterday from the club asking if I want to go to a new stadium focus group on Monday at 6.30.

Anyone else get the same call and can go and summerise?

 

[ginola99]

Frustratingly I can't go, but I had a call yesterday from the club asking if I want to go to a new stadium focus group on Monday at 6.30.

Anyone else get the same call and can go and summerise?

No, I have work off on monday, can I go instead of you? Plezse please