New Stadium Details And Discussions

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Another thing, and this may be stupid, but with all of the blatant seeking of American markets, and the fact that it's now totally obvious that our stadium IS going to be used for more than just football, maybe it's not out of the question that AEG are going to be involved in some way? Thanks to my bloody medication, my memory isn't the best anymore, but weren't they basically willing to be partners with us when we were courting the Olympic Stadium ?

Everyone seems to be thinking any naming rights / finance is going to be coming from the Middle East, but why would someone who was clearly willing to be a part of what we had planned for the Olympic Stadium, totally be out of the picture now? It's still a brand new stadium, they could still carry out the same plans as they previously had, no ?

 

[Hoopspur]

Only a thought - if Thunderbirds could have a launch site for giant rockets underneath their swimming pool then for us to build one pitch under another must be a piece of piss....

 

[Locotoro]

I can't understand not putting a retractable roof either, yes it will add to the cost but it will open up other events, like boxing and concerts, for winter usage.

Retractable roof is likely to add another £75-100 million to the stadium cost and an additional 6 months to the completion date.

I'm sure they would have factored in the potential profits but I'm not sure it is so feasible

 

[beats1]

Retractable roof is likely to add another £75-100 million to the stadium cost and an additional 6 months to the completion date.

I'm sure they would have factored in the potential profits but I'm not sure it is so feasible

£75m-100m

I don't think so, Stadiums aren't that expensive most of the stuff is planning, complexity and etc.

For example the latest Vikings stadium is costing near a billion dollars and the retractable roof part is costing $25m to $50m

Now the reliant stadium cost in total $352m($462 with inflation or £292m)

This has a retractable roof multi use stadium and the reason why it is cheap is because the simplicity of its roof design

Of course the numbers you are talking about are correct if you are talking about roof that would similar to the cowboys but thats just a waste tbh

 

[Zoob32]

For example the latest Vikings stadium is costing near a billion dollars and the retractable roof part is costing $25m to $50m

The new Vikings stadium doesn't have a retractable roof. It was brought up in preliminary discussions, but the Wilf's didnt want to pony up an additional $200 million for it so it was dropped. There are giant doors that can swing open to make the air feel less stuffy, but that is it.

 

[beats1]

The new Vikings stadium doesn't have a retractable roof. It was brought up in preliminary discussions, but the Wilf's didnt want to pony up an additional $200 million for it so it was dropped. There are giant doors that can swing open to make the air feel less stuffy, but that is it.

They had an option of adding it but decided against, the article I read said the price I listed above

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

Not sure if this has been posted:

PROF on COYS:

Another present for the COYS night shift. Off we go. This snippet is a mixture of information received over the last 12 hours from Galahad, Gabe, and several other sources, on both sides of the pond. The only point of difference between their snippets is whether DL has signed.


Deal signed by NFL and now sitting on DL's desk awaiting his autograph, for a subset of international NFL games to be played at THFC.
Wembley likely to continue hosting some of the international NFL games too.
Expected that next week's owner's meeting will approve this two site approach. Makes sense for the NFL to have options/leverage.

It is possible they owners won't green light this deal, or that DL will try something tricky that will cause the other side to lose confidence. In many ways DL is offering the most (stadium/facilities/marketing) in this deal, but also may have the most to lose (the financial benefit to THFC is large), so he is expected to play it straight, or at least as straight as he can in the circumstances (dealing with a behemoth like the NFL).

One thing about our situation that very much appeals to the NFL is the opportunity for a purpose-built stadium (pitch, facilities, etc). Wembley can't offer that (although they have the transport links) and this is an important selling point for many owners.
WHL will be a dual purpose stadium. Obviously our usage will be the lion's share, so we get the main pitch, which we won't share with the NFL. Instead, there will be a retractable pitch {see HSH forum for details and perhaps pictures - Prof} used for NFL games.

Based on precedent, expect on-site marketing to be tightly restricted; perhaps only Spurs, the new stadium sponsors and the NFL allowed to advertise.

Under the terms of the contract signed by DL this evening, financially it will be a good deal for us. Well played Danny.


Thanks to every one of Galahad's sources on this. It takes an understanding of the passion of Spurs fans to want to share interesting information with fellow COYSers, and humility not to need to post it under their own names. These people are not craving attention, but are acting on their instincts as true Spurs fans, and they (not me --- I know nothing about anything) deserve the gratitude of those who appreciate their efforts.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Not sure if this has been posted:

PROF on COYS:

Another present for the COYS night shift. Off we go. This snippet is a mixture of information received over the last 12 hours from Galahad, Gabe, and several other sources, on both sides of the pond. The only point of difference between their snippets is whether DL has signed.


Deal signed by NFL and now sitting on DL's desk awaiting his autograph, for a subset of international NFL games to be played at THFC.
Wembley likely to continue hosting some of the international NFL games too.
Expected that next week's owner's meeting will approve this two site approach. Makes sense for the NFL to have options/leverage.

It is possible they owners won't green light this deal, or that DL will try something tricky that will cause the other side to lose confidence. In many ways DL is offering the most (stadium/facilities/marketing) in this deal, but also may have the most to lose (the financial benefit to THFC is large), so he is expected to play it straight, or at least as straight as he can in the circumstances (dealing with a behemoth like the NFL).

One thing about our situation that very much appeals to the NFL is the opportunity for a purpose-built stadium (pitch, facilities, etc). Wembley can't offer that (although they have the transport links) and this is an important selling point for many owners.
WHL will be a dual purpose stadium. Obviously our usage will be the lion's share, so we get the main pitch, which we won't share with the NFL. Instead, there will be a retractable pitch {see HSH forum for details and perhaps pictures - Prof} used for NFL games.

Based on precedent, expect on-site marketing to be tightly restricted; perhaps only Spurs, the new stadium sponsors and the NFL allowed to advertise.

Under the terms of the contract signed by DL this evening, financially it will be a good deal for us. Well played Danny.


Thanks to every one of Galahad's sources on this. It takes an understanding of the passion of Spurs fans to want to share interesting information with fellow COYSers, and humility not to need to post it under their own names. These people are not craving attention, but are acting on their instincts as true Spurs fans, and they (not me --- I know nothing about anything) deserve the gratitude of those who appreciate their efforts.

Nothing about the ownership situation?

 

[spursfan77]

If the stadium is going to be a dual football/nil stadium then I can only see build costs increasing. Who knows by how much.

 

[Phischy]

HSH forum? Is that a COYS forum?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

HSH forum? Is that a COYS forum?

Home Sweet Home
A temporary forum for ALL discussions around our future home, whether that be WHL, Stratford, or elsewhere.

Yeah a Coys forum.

 

[jambreck]

If the stadium is going to be a dual football/nil stadium then I can only see build costs increasing. Who knows by how much.

That's a certainty. Possibly, even, by as much as £100m.

But since the advent of FFP, income is king. And if this NFL tie up can add £10m or more per annum to our revenues, then the added initial investment will be more than worth it.

 

[Spursidol]

If the stadium is going to be a dual football/nil stadium then I can only see build costs increasing. Who knows by how much.

Correct, but I also see a big naming rights deal also attached to the NFL deal - either such that the stadium has 2 names, one for NFL use, the other for Spurs or just one much bigger £ naming rights deal than Spurs could attract by itself, plus also some lucrative games.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were some north america marketing or TV deals for Spurs which we wouldn't otherwise be likely to attract without NFL. And I'm sure Levy will ensure that the extra revenues give a very healthy return on extra costs so it will be very worthwhile

 

[spursfan77]

Correct, but I also see a big naming rights deal also attached to the NFL deal - either such that the stadium has 2 names, one for NFL use, the other for Spurs or just one much bigger £ naming rights deal than Spurs could attract by itself, plus also some lucrative games.

Wouldn't surprise me if there were some north america marketing or TV deals for Spurs which we wouldn't otherwise be likely to attract without NFL. And I'm sure Levy will ensure that the extra revenues give a very healthy return on extra costs so it will be very worthwhile

Oh mate I'm sure levy will be trying as hard as possible to get the best deal for thfc as possible and if it's not then we won't be doing it at all.

I am a bit concerned about it but I really think if we do a deal with the NFL then the club has to make sure we are the most important factor in the new stadium and not some team playing 2 or 3 games a year there. That makes no sense.

 

[Phischy]

I would anticipate that the reason NFL would consider WHL over Wembley, given its smaller capacity, would be the opportunity to have a stadium which better meets NFL's requirements. That really means suitably sized dressing room facilities and an artificial pitch. As these things would be the selling points and the motivating factor for NFL to move, they would also recognise that they represent a significant material change compared with a stadium designed solely (or almost entirely) for Association Football. Therefore I would suggest that there is a financial package on the table which recognises this, either in terms of share of long term income from NFL games at WHL, meeting the capital cost difference arising from the changes (it's not just the works, it's the space given over to NFL and the fact that that is lost to other activities, like perhaps commercial activities - a conference centre, box holders/premium lounge, etc.). So yeah, what I'm really saying is I'd expect NFL to cover the additional costs and boost our long term revenue from the stadium.

 

[Phischy]

Also on the naming rights comment, you have to believe that the notion of the stadium name being well known not just in the UK and amongst English football fans, but also to the US and American Football fans would be hugely appealing. If there is a perception that the stadium is home to Gridiron in the UK, it would become a significant part of the NFL landscape, regardless of whether a team is based here or not. I have no doubt that is vastly more attractive to a naming rights partner.

However I can't see it is being viable (or attractive to any partner) for the stadium to have different names for different sports. I imagine one name, with the value boosted by the presence of NFL.

 

[Spursidol]

It looks pretty certain now that we are planning to hold some NFL games at Spurs, and in turn that seems to require 2 pitches so that the NFL 'cloggers' do not muck up our football pitch.

But do we know how the double pitch is going to work ?

For example is it ruled out that the Spurs grass football pitch will be on hydraulics, with it being in the 'up' position all the time, except when its lowered for NFL games when the NFL playing surface is somehow fitted on top of the Spurs grass pitch, and then taken off after the game.

I'd guess that this would mean the grass pitch being 'underground' for 48 hours at a time while the NFL pitch is being laid and then taken up.

I'd also guess that could mean the NFL pitch may be artificial and could be laid almost like giant carpet tiles - so that we then do not have to have a 'pitch sized' space available for the NFL pitch to retract to.

Or do we think that its the Spurs grass pitch which will retract somewhere, with the NFL pitch being underneath.

Does the piling design make any of these more or less likely ?

 

[longtimespur]

It looks pretty certain now that we are planning to hold some NFL games at Spurs, and in turn that seems to require 2 pitches so that the NFL 'cloggers' do not muck up our football pitch.

But do we know how the double pitch is going to work ?

For example is it ruled out that the Spurs grass football pitch will be on hydraulics, with it being in the 'up' position all the time, except when its lowered for NFL games when the NFL playing surface is somehow fitted on top of the Spurs grass pitch, and then taken off after the game.

I'd guess that this would mean the grass pitch being 'underground' for 48 hours at a time while the NFL pitch is being laid and then taken up.

I'd also guess that could mean the NFL pitch may be artificial and could be laid almost like giant carpet tiles - so that we then do not have to have a 'pitch sized' space available for the NFL pitch to retract to.

Or do we think that its the Spurs grass pitch which will retract somewhere, with the NFL pitch being underneath.

Does the piling design make any of these more or less likely ?

As artificial pitches are produced on a roll, well I assume they are, would it not be easy to have hydraulics in place that can roll the pitch out for NFL and roll it up again afterwards for stowage underneath the Kop stand. The front seats will need to be movable and can hide the "roll" of artificial pitch behind them. Don't then need a flat surface to lay it out on. Just a thought.

 

[fridgemagnet]

There was a vid on here where the NFL pitch was just pallet loads of carpet tiles.

I'm wondering if the kop end opens up like either hearts or motherwell, whoever it was we played in the EL a few seasons ago

 

[beats1]

I would anticipate that the reason NFL would consider WHL over Wembley, given its smaller capacity, would be the opportunity to have a stadium which better meets NFL's requirements. That really means suitably sized dressing room facilities and an artificial pitch. As these things would be the selling points and the motivating factor for NFL to move, they would also recognise that they represent a significant material change compared with a stadium designed solely (or almost entirely) for Association Football. Therefore I would suggest that there is a financial package on the table which recognises this, either in terms of share of long term income from NFL games at WHL, meeting the capital cost difference arising from the changes (it's not just the works, it's the space given over to NFL and the fact that that is lost to other activities, like perhaps commercial activities - a conference centre, box holders/premium lounge, etc.). So yeah, what I'm really saying is I'd expect NFL to cover the additional costs and boost our long term revenue from the stadium.

Not just that, the PL stadium would actually be a home for a potential NFL team, like the met life stadium(i.e. change colours and have an official store selling nfl stuff)

That's a certainty. Possibly, even, by as much as £100m.

But since the advent of FFP, income is king. And if this NFL tie up can add £10m or more per annum to our revenues, then the added initial investment will be more than worth it.

£100m is alot and not necessarily right either. The stadium will depend on complexity of design

For example in todays money these stadiums cost this much
University of Arizona Stadium - $532m £338m (removable pitch and retractable roof)

NRG stadium - $462m £293m (retractable roof)

Veltins arena - €193m in 2001, which after inflation wouldn't be as much as the other two (retractable roof and slide out pitch)

There was a vid on here where the NFL pitch was just pallet loads of carpet tiles.

I'm wondering if the kop end opens up like either hearts or motherwell, whoever it was we played in the EL a few seasons ago

The Met Life stadium employs that method for the end zones and use to for the 50 yard line logo