New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Spursidol]

As artificial pitches are produced on a roll, well I assume they are, would it not be easy to have hydraulics in place that can roll the pitch out for NFL and roll it up again afterwards for stowage underneath the Kop stand. The front seats will need to be movable and can hide the "roll" of artificial pitch behind them. Don't then need a flat surface to lay it out on. Just a thought.

Lots of ways to skin the cat. Just curious to see whether the successionn of bits of the plan (the basement planning permission, the piling plans etc) give us clues as to which option we seem to be going for

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Not just that, the PL stadium would actually be a home for a potential NFL team, like the met life stadium(i.e. change colours and have an official store selling nfl stuff)

£100m is alot and not necessarily right either. The stadium will depend on complexity of design

For example in todays money these stadiums cost this much
University of Arizona Stadium - $532m £338m (removable pitch and retractable roof)

NRG stadium - $462m £293m (retractable roof)

Veltins arena - €193m in 2001, which after inflation wouldn't be as much as the other two (retractable roof and slide out pitch)

The Met Life stadium employs that method for the end zones and use to for the 50 yard line logo

Apologies for not just checking for myself, but do you happen to know the capacities of the stadiums you listed? I only ask because each and every one of the stadiums you've listed, cost significantly less to build than our estimated (minimum) £400mil, which equates to roughly $630mil, a figure that totally eclipses those above. We could potentially be paying over £100mil more than the NRG Stadium, and our figure, I believe, was estimated before there was talk of a retractable pitch.

Basically, why do we seem to be paying so much more, for less end result ?

 

[Hoopspur]

Apologies for not just checking for myself, but do you happen to know the capacities of the stadiums you listed? I only ask because each and every one of the stadiums you've listed, cost significantly less to build than our estimated (minimum) £400mil, which equates to roughly $630mil, a figure that totally eclipses those above. We could potentially be paying over £100mil more than the NRG Stadium, and our figure, I believe, was estimated before there was talk of a retractable pitch.

Basically, why do we seem to be paying so much more, for less end result ?

You reckon anything in London is cheap?! It's like getting a pint in The World's End vs The Lands End (Inn)! Mind you, come to that, Lands End for a pint is probably expensive too!

 

[jambreck]

Apologies for not just checking for myself, but do you happen to know the capacities of the stadiums you listed? I only ask because each and every one of the stadiums you've listed, cost significantly less to build than our estimated (minimum) £400mil, which equates to roughly $630mil, a figure that totally eclipses those above. We could potentially be paying over £100mil more than the NRG Stadium, and our figure, I believe, was estimated before there was talk of a retractable pitch.

Basically, why do we seem to be paying so much more, for less end result ?

For starters, mate, the initial estimate for the KSS stadium design was in the region of £200-250m. The £400m figure was for the entire NDP project, including supermarket / UTC and housing. We haven't been given any clue yet as to the potential cost of the Populous stadium design (though it is likely to be significantly more expensive).

As to the three stadia mentioned, you have to remember that they were all built more than a decade ago. And they were all built on big, easily accessible sites. Spurs' construction process, by contrast, will inevitably be more expensive as a consequence of the cramped urban environment and the fact that the stadium will have to be built in two stages (because of the need to use part of the required site for games while the other part of the new stadium is built).

I suspect that Spurs will also be aiming for a higher end specification and finish than those other stadia. They have already said as much when Levy promised, in his Chairman's report a year or two ago, to deliver the stadium to the same high standards as the universally acclaimed new training centre (that we now know cost in the region of £60m). So there will be no penny pinching for this project, at least.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

You reckon anything in London is cheap?! It's like getting a pint in The World's End vs The Lands End (Inn)! Mind you, come to that, Lands End for a pint is probably expensive too!

I don't think anything in London is cheap, mate. Then again, I didn't assume we'd be getting building materials etc from London. I don't pretend to know a single flipping thing about any of this stadium construction stuff, I just wanted to understand the differences in prices, when compared to many other stadiums that have been constructed around the world.

Thank you for your response . As for a pint at Lands End, it's surprisingly reasonable, with the most expensive being £4.20 for a pint of Guinness http://www.landsendhotel.co.uk/downloads/Lands-End-Hotel-Drinks-Menu.pdf

For starters, mate, the initial estimate for the KSS stadium design was in the region of £200-250m. The £400m figure was for the entire NDP project, including supermarket / UTC and housing. We haven't been given any clue yet as to the potential cost of the Populous stadium design (though it is likely to be significantly more expensive).

As to the three stadia mentioned, you have to remember that they were all built more than a decade ago. And they were all built on big, easily accessible sites. Spurs' construction process, by contrast, will inevitably be more expensive as a consequence of the cramped urban environment and the fact that the stadium will have to be built in two stages (because of the need to use part of the required site for games while the other part of the new stadium is built).

I suspect that Spurs will also be aiming for a higher end specification and finish than those other stadia. They have already said as much when Levy promised, in his Chairman's report a year or two ago, to deliver the stadium to the same high standards as the universally acclaimed new training centre (that we now know cost in the region of £60m). So there will be no penny pinching for this project, at least.

Thanks Jam .. I forgot all about the whole 'public square', and housing etc .. I didn't realise the stadiums listed were constructed that long ago, either. For some reason, I imagined they were all recent builds, so I apologise for my naivety there .

 

[beats1]

Apologies for not just checking for myself, but do you happen to know the capacities of the stadiums you listed? I only ask because each and every one of the stadiums you've listed, cost significantly less to build than our estimated (minimum) £400mil, which equates to roughly $630mil, a figure that totally eclipses those above. We could potentially be paying over £100mil more than the NRG Stadium, and our figure, I believe, was estimated before there was talk of a retractable pitch.

Basically, why do we seem to be paying so much more, for less end result ?

I think Jambreck answered the question

but the stadiums are 60k to 80k(depending on standing areas)

For starters, mate, the initial estimate for the KSS stadium design was in the region of £200-250m. The £400m figure was for the entire NDP project, including supermarket / UTC and housing. We haven't been given any clue yet as to the potential cost of the Populous stadium design (though it is likely to be significantly more expensive).

As to the three stadia mentioned, you have to remember that they were all built more than a decade ago. And they were all built on big, easily accessible sites. Spurs' construction process, by contrast, will inevitably be more expensive as a consequence of the cramped urban environment and the fact that the stadium will have to be built in two stages (because of the need to use part of the required site for games while the other part of the new stadium is built).

I suspect that Spurs will also be aiming for a higher end specification and finish than those other stadia. They have already said as much when Levy promised, in his Chairman's report a year or two ago, to deliver the stadium to the same high standards as the universally acclaimed new training centre (that we now know cost in the region of £60m). So there will be no penny pinching for this project, at least.

I know levy said he wanted one of the best stadium in europe but the original concept really worthy of such a claim.

Alot depends on the complexity of the roof design, tbh Im not a fan of most roof designs that overly complicated like compression and tension roofs.

Personally I always wanted a four stand stadium(even if the overall footprint is a round bowl). The chelsea battersea project is amazing and I would love something like that and it wouldn't be expensive unless we wanted to include a world heritage building with it

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Apologies for not just checking for myself, but do you happen to know the capacities of the stadiums you listed? I only ask because each and every one of the stadiums you've listed, cost significantly less to build than our estimated (minimum) £400mil, which equates to roughly $630mil, a figure that totally eclipses those above. We could potentially be paying over £100mil more than the NRG Stadium, and our figure, I believe, was estimated before there was talk of a retractable pitch.

Basically, why do we seem to be paying so much more, for less end result ?

The notional £400-£450m figure refers to the entire NDP: the Northern development (Sainsburys, college & club offices/facilities); the main stadium (including refurbishing the listed buildings and building the piazza with its shops) and the Southern development (200+ flats and either a hotel or another college).

The stadium itself is only a modest percentage of the headline figure.

 

[HotspurSam]

It looks pretty certain now that we are planning to hold some NFL games at Spurs, and in turn that seems to require 2 pitches so that the NFL 'cloggers' do not muck up our football pitch.

But do we know how the double pitch is going to work ?

For example is it ruled out that the Spurs grass football pitch will be on hydraulics, with it being in the 'up' position all the time, except when its lowered for NFL games when the NFL playing surface is somehow fitted on top of the Spurs grass pitch, and then taken off after the game.

I'd guess that this would mean the grass pitch being 'underground' for 48 hours at a time while the NFL pitch is being laid and then taken up.

I'd also guess that could mean the NFL pitch may be artificial and could be laid almost like giant carpet tiles - so that we then do not have to have a 'pitch sized' space available for the NFL pitch to retract to.

Or do we think that its the Spurs grass pitch which will retract somewhere, with the NFL pitch being underneath.

Does the piling design make any of these more or less likely ?

Yes indeed. The NFL pitch would need to be the lower pitch and therefore artificial as well. It also needs to be lower than the stands. For the sight lines of the spectators to see over the 100+ people on the sidelines of each side of the pitch. Wembley.cant use the lowest 5000 seats for this reaso.

The only option for the grass pitch is to be retracted/slid under the South Stand (new Kop) and probably also into part of the podium empty underground space. As you say it would only be parked there for 2 to 3 days probably with that artificial daylight lighting system & blowers (moisture control).

The piling plans would seem to bear this theory out, but is still speculation on my part

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

The notional £400-£450m figure refers to the entire NDP: the Northern development (Sainsburys, college & club offices/facilities); the main stadium (including refurbishing the listed buildings and building the piazza with its shops) and the Southern development (200+ flats and either a hotel or another college).

The stadium itself is only a modest percentage of the headline figure.

As ever, thank you, David

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Apologies if this annoys one or two of you, I know twitter isn't everyone's cup of tea

The ITK post that was on here yesterday, the one about the NFL deal being as good as done, and just requires Daniel Levy's signature, I took a photo of it and shared it on twitter (I made SURE that the names of any members of this site weren't on the picture) to see if anyone had heard anything.

Now, I'm only too aware that there are plenty of wind-up merchants on there, but I figured I'd share what one particular fella (@jamsieward) , had to say. Maybe someone on here has also heard something similar? Apologies if I've screwed up the copy & paste!!

https://twitter.com/coopsieyid/status/599500397909245952

Coopsie‏@coopsieyid
Here you go, Yids & Yidettes IF you can read it (turn phone sideways), some supposed ITK about the new stadium #nice

James ‏@jamesieward 43m43 minutes ago

1. @coopsieyid heard a 500M deal was agreed with Nike for shirt, stadium sponsorship and an NFL franchise months ago!
   
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   in the city!

1. Coopsie ‏@coopsieyid 41m41 minutes ago
   @jamesieward That's interesting mate. May I ask if it was someone quite influential who you heard it from?
   
   
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3. James ‏@jamesieward 39m39 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid no-one officially from the club! But some city big hitters! It's been common knowledge that Nike have been swooping!
   
   
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5. Coopsie ‏@coopsieyid 26m26 minutes ago
   @jamesieward well if it turns out to be true, it's yet another outstanding but if work from Daniel Levy
   
   
   
   
   
6. Liam ‏@liamje28 24m24 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid @jamesieward hope this is true
   
   
7. Andehh ‏@andehh12 21m21 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid "COYSers"??? That's not really a thing is it?
   
   
   
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10. James ‏@jamesieward 20m20 minutes ago
    @liamje28 @coopsieyid from what I understand Nike virtually run the NFL, and they will plough the money in for a 'NEW' team from here!
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13. @jamesieward @coopsieyid your getting me far to excited mate ha

1. James ‏@jamesieward 18m18 minutes ago
   @liamje28 @coopsieyid hahaha it's just what I heard! Nothing concrete! Nike kit! The Nike arena! Will be the biggest deal out there!

 

[Lilbaz]

We had rumours of nike around xmas.
Probably won't hear anything till the deal with UA runs it's course.

 

[Mr-T]

As far as a retractable roof goes, whilst it would make our stadium the envy of hundreds of clubs, I think it might also be a bit of a problem. I'm pretty sure that for a game to be played with the roof closed, both teams have to agree to it. You just know that when it came to playing a hoofing shithouse team on a pissing down winters day, the opposition would refuse to close it as it would suit them to carve the pitch up - assuming we aren't also a hoofing shithouse team by the time the stadium is built

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

We had rumours of nike around xmas.
Probably won't hear anything till the deal with UA runs it's course.

Doesn't the UA deal run until 2017/18? I don't know if I can wait that long .. Someone just messaged me on twitter to tell me that Nike make all the NFL kits, so the 'rumour' that I shared above 'could' have some weight to it?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Apologies if this annoys one or two of you, I know twitter isn't everyone's cup of tea

The ITK post that was on here yesterday, the one about the NFL deal being as good as done, and just requires Daniel Levy's signature, I took a photo of it and shared it on twitter (I made SURE that the names of any members of this site weren't on the picture) to see if anyone had heard anything. Now, I'm only too aware that there are plenty of wind-up merchants on there, but I figured I'd share what one particular fella (@jamsieward) , had to say. Maybe someone on here has also heard something similar? Apologies if I've screwed up the copy & paste!!

https://twitter.com/coopsieyid/status/599500397909245952

Coopsie‏@coopsieyid
Here you go, Yids & Yidettes IF you can read it (turn phone sideways), some supposed ITK about the new stadium #nice

James ‏@jamesieward 43m43 minutes ago

1. @coopsieyid heard a 500M deal was agreed with Nike for shirt, stadium sponsorship and an NFL franchise months ago!
   
   &
   
   in the city!

1. Coopsie ‏@coopsieyid 41m41 minutes ago
   @jamesieward That's interesting mate. May I ask if it was someone quite influential who you heard it from?
   
   
2. 
   
3. James ‏@jamesieward 39m39 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid no-one officially from the club! But some city big hitters! It's been common knowledge that Nike have been swooping!
   
   
4. 
   
5. Coopsie ‏@coopsieyid 26m26 minutes ago
   @jamesieward well if it turns out to be true, it's yet another outstanding but if work from Daniel Levy
   
   
   
   
   
6. Liam ‏@liamje28 24m24 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid @jamesieward hope this is true
   
   
7. Andehh ‏@andehh12 21m21 minutes ago
   @coopsieyid "COYSers"??? That's not really a thing is it?
   
   
   
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10. James ‏@jamesieward 20m20 minutes ago
    @liamje28 @coopsieyid from what I understand Nike virtually run the NFL, and they will plough the money in for a 'NEW' team from here!
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13. @jamesieward @coopsieyid your getting me far to excited mate ha

1. James ‏@jamesieward 18m18 minutes ago
   @liamje28 @coopsieyid hahaha it's just what I heard! Nothing concrete! Nike kit! The Nike arena! Will be the biggest deal out there!

This rumour went around a year or two ago- that Nike had some sort of stadium + kit deal.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

As far as a retractable roof goes, whilst it would make our stadium the envy of hundreds of clubs, I think it might also be a bit of a problem. I'm pretty sure that for a game to be played with the roof closed, both teams have to agree to it. You just know that when it came to playing a hoofing shithouse team on a pissing down winters day, the opposition would refuse to close it as it would suit them to carve the pitch up - assuming we aren't also a hoofing shithouse team by the time the stadium is built

I'm pretty sure people are only talking about a roof because of how it would open up the possibility of holding more none-football events ? I very much doubt we'd be interested in closing the roof for any of our footy matches, unless there's a heavy snowfall, or a massive spell of freezing weather / torrential downpours etc. And even then, I'd imagine the roof would only be closed to stop the pitch being affected by the elements, and then opened for the match.

Having a roof could perhaps enable the possibility of holding events such as boxing, concerts, Ice hockey etc etc. Basically it 'could' enable the opportunity of fully maximising the financial benefits of our new stadium & facilities.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

This rumour went around a year or two ago- that Nike had some sort of stadium + kit deal.

I thought I could remember reading something about it in the past, but I wasn't 100% sure. MAYBE there sould actually be some weight in what that fella heard from his mates in the city?

 

[Lilbaz]

I thought I could remember reading something about it in the past, but I wasn't 100% sure. MAYBE there sould actually be some weight in what that fella heard from his mates in the city?

I doubt we'd have done a deal yet. Especially if nothing has been agreed for nfl.

 

[Spursidol]

Yes indeed. The NFL pitch would need to be the lower pitch and therefore artificial as well. It also needs to be lower than the stands. For the sight lines of the spectators to see over the 100+ people on the sidelines of each side of the pitch. Wembley.cant use the lowest 5000 seats for this reaso.

The only option for the grass pitch is to be retracted/slid under the South Stand (new Kop) and probably also into part of the podium empty underground space. As you say it would only be parked there for 2 to 3 days probably with that artificial daylight lighting system & blowers (moisture control).

The piling plans would seem to bear this theory out, but is still speculation on my part

Thanks for this.

Understand the point about the grass pitch being retrated under the south stand - but doesn't the piling shown on the plan get in the way and mean that the pitch would need to be split into 3 pieces, or am I misunderstanding the piling plan ?

Its that point which meant I was trying to speculate on a way to have the grass pitch kept in one place with the NFL pitch being retracted in sections.

 

[Spursidol]

I doubt we'd have done a deal yet. Especially if nothing has been agreed for nfl.

Levy actually said in an update that the naming rights deal would only be announced after constructio had started - could of course be that a deal has been agreed but with strict non disclosure until later.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I doubt we'd have done a deal yet. Especially if nothing has been agreed for nfl.

Trying to keep my hopes up, perhaps there's been good / lengthy talks between Levy & Nike, and the interest is there for a mega deal, but it all hinges on the NFL franchise being agreed and signed off. I guess I like the idea of having our stadium & our club directly associated with not only one of the biggest brand names on the planet, but one that is associated only with sport. I'd definitely prefer seeing teams play at (for arguments sake) 'The Nike Arena', rather than at something like 'The Qatar Stadium' or whatever.