New Stadium Details And Discussions

[davidmatzdorf]

Did they delay building the flats or was it just the hotel ?

The first phase was Lilywhite House and the Sainsbury's.

The second phase is the stadium, the buildings along the High Rd and the plaza.

The third phase will be the flats and the hotel.

There is no detailed planning consent for the third phase, only an outline consent. They'll have to go back to the council for a detailed consent when they have a fully developed proposal.

My strong expectation is that THFC will work with an experienced residential development partner on a profit-sharing basis - probably also a hotel developer on a similar principle - and that the development partner will be charged with putting together the detailed planning application for the third phase.

 

[Always Offside]

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Sure it's been mentioned before but can someone remind me what we intend to do with storage facility site when ground finished?
Will it continue as is whilst hotel built or are there other plans?

Sell it to Chelsea for their new stadium ?? Should be able to fit a 15k seater stadium on that site. That's all they'll need one Roman pisses off.

 

[spursfan77]

Sure it's been mentioned before but can someone remind me what we intend to do with storage facility site when ground finished?
Will it continue as is whilst hotel built or are there other plans?

Not sure where it is, but we could just put up a few industrial units to keep and rent out or sell. Should pay for a new player’s wages for a few weeks!

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Sure it's been mentioned before but can someone remind me what we intend to do with storage facility site when ground finished?
Will it continue as is whilst hotel built or are there other plans?

Vincent Janssen will be housed there for the duration of his contract.

 

[Hengy1]

Is the below staircase staying or just temporarily? It’s not on any of the pics I’ve ever seen?

 

[coys200]

The first phase was Lilywhite House and the Sainsbury's.

The second phase is the stadium, the buildings along the High Rd and the plaza.

The third phase will be the flats and the hotel.

There is no detailed planning consent for the third phase, only an outline consent. They'll have to go back to the council for a detailed consent when they have a fully developed proposal.

My strong expectation is that THFC will work with an experienced residential development partner on a profit-sharing basis - probably also a hotel developer on a similar principle - and that the development partner will be charged with putting together the detailed planning application for the third phase.

Are you sure about that. Definitely read they had increased the planning permission on the flats from 250 flats to 550 flats- not exact numbers but was something like that. Infact it was a very specific number like 572 flats. Which seems quite specific permission. I know the hotel is on hold as in a way that’s a luxury addition. The flats however are a guaranteed money spinner. I’d be very surprised if they are after the high road. The high road could take 5-10 years.

 

[Phischy]

Is the below staircase staying or just temporarily? It’s not on any of the pics I’ve ever seen?

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Looks like temporary access.

 

[L-man]

Looks like temporary access.

It's the staircase to the skywalk on the roof. I think it's eventually going to be hidden by the external claddinh

 

[quackers]

Is the below staircase staying or just temporarily? It’s not on any of the pics I’ve ever seen?

Its perm - will sit behind the veil (grey cladding) gives access all the way up to the sky walk above the South

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Are you sure about that. Definitely read they had increased the planning permission on the flats from 250 flats to 550 flats- not exact numbers but was something like that. In fact it was a very specific number like 572 flats. Which seems quite specific permission. I know the hotel is on hold as in a way that’s a luxury addition. The flats however are a guaranteed money spinner. I’d be very surprised if they are after the high road. The high road could take 5-10 years.

Yes, the number of flats was increased, as part of the deal with Haringey to make the overall NDP viable again after the financial crash. But that formed part of the main planning application, which gave detailed consent for Phases 1 & 2 and outline consent for Phase 3.

The hotel proposal has the same status as the flats: outline consent. The hotel market is more volatile than the residential market, so there was a period when the club thought the hotel would not be viable, i.e., would not attract a development partner, and they were considering replacing it with a different use.

That may still happen, but the hotel and the flats have outline planning consent. The way outline planning consent works, the planning authority lists the aspects and details of the scheme that have not yet been finalised or designed in detail. They are called "reserved matters" and they have to be approved subsequently. That can be in one big application for detailed consent, or it can be in a succession of minor submissions.

The latter approach is usually used when there are only a few design aspects unresolved. In this case, there are very few details at all in the outline consent, just the number of flats, which you would expect to be set out in an outline consent, the existence of a hotel and a number of drawings that are non-binding: for illustrative purposes only.

Months of design work will be required to turn the outline scheme for Phase 3 into an application for detailed planning consent.

I wouldn't call the residential development a "guaranteed money spinner". The market has stalled., in part as a result of Brexit, because oligarchs are not pouring as much dodgy money into London so they can launder it. That affects the whole market. There are few homes being sold and fewer being started - the development we see everywhere consists of schemes that were approved and under construction before the market hiccuped.

THFC has a great advantage, which is that it already owns the land, so whatever flats it develops will be profitable. But they have made assumptions for how profitable and those assumptions are being scaled back as we speak. The importance of that profit is that it will be used to reduce the scale of borrowing on the stadium when they refinance it.

I don't know what you mean by "the High Road could take 5-10 years". What about the High Road? There's no THFC development there that will take another 5 years.

 

[Phischy]

It's the staircase to the skywalk on the roof. I think it's eventually going to be hidden by the external claddinh

Its perm - will sit behind the veil (grey cladding) gives access all the way up to the sky walk above the South

Cool! Cheers guys.

 

[Japseye]

Gentlemen, can anyone give any insight as to what is happening on the pitch?

I first thought it was being covered to allow materials and equipment to go back on top, but is seems fairly clear; then i thought maybe the cranes in the north stand were due to come down but i don't see any sign of that either...

could it be related to the first test event which is maybe non sporting?

 

[spursfan77]

The plaza in phase 2 doesn’t actually have anything to do with the club directly either. It’s all a council led development. There’s a brochure (probably near the start of this thread) which details all about each phase.

 

[Coq_Au_Ginge]

re the High Road West plan, here's a link to to the "Masterplan" PDF from 2014. If anyone's interested
https://tottenham.london/sites/default/files/view_the_summary_masterplan_pdf_3mb.pdf

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The plaza in phase 2 doesn’t actually have anything to do with the club directly either. It’s all a council led development. There’s a brochure (probably near the start of this thread) which details all about each phase.

I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the entrance/exit area, situated on the roof of some of the low-rise parts of the scheme (including the Spurs Shop, I think), directly south of the south entrance to the stadium and north of where the housing will go, on the land owned by THFC. That's part of the NDP, phase 2.

Are you referring to the big promenade that will lead from WHL station to the east side of the High Rd, opposite the west entrance to the stadium? That's part of the council-led development.

 

[coys200]

I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about the entrance/exit area, situated on the roof of some of the low-rise parts of the scheme (including the Spurs Shop, I think), directly south of the south entrance to the stadium and north of where the housing will go, on the land owned by THFC. That's part of the NDP, phase 2.

Are you referring to the big promenade that will lead from WHL station to the east side of the High Rd, opposite the west entrance to the stadium? That's part of the council-led development.

You made it sound like the high rd development that’s why I said 5-10 years. You’re basically talking about the buildings on or around the podium. Like the extreme sports and spurs experience.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

You made it sound like the high rd development that’s why I said 5-10 years. You’re basically talking about the buildings on or around the podium. Like the extreme sports and spurs experience.

The redevelopment west of the High Rd is unconnected with THFC's planning application(s). The applicant there will not be THFC, it will probably be Haringey's chosen developer-partner. So it has no bearing on the question of whether the housing and the hotel have outline or detailed consent and thus I wasn't even thinking about it.

I'll try to clarify all this.

The housing and the hotel were both part of THFC's overall planning application for the stadium development - the NDP - which set out the development in three phases.

Phase 1 was Lilywhite House & the Sainsbury's and was an application for detailed consent.

Phase 2 was for the stadium, the "experience", the refurbished Warmington House and the retained dispensary facade, the shop and the pedestrian plaza on top of the shop (etc.) that will fit between the housing and the stadium. That was an application for detailed consent.

Phase 3 was for the housing and the hotel and a few other minor structures. That was an application for outline consent, because all of the details of the proposal were "reserved matters".

 

[coys200]

Yup the confusion was because your original post said:

Phase 2 - The buildings along the high rd and the plaza.

That made it sound like the council redevelopment up to the station.

 

[michaelden]

Well that is looking shecksee!

 

[Trippier the RB fantastic]

Went to have a look at the new stadium this morning, haven't been for 6 months. It looks incredible and so imposing. South stand atrium is a thing of beauty.
There's a hell of a lot of work to do though with two and a half months before the Liverpool game but the whole site is an absolute hive of activity.