New Stadium Details And Discussions

[ginola99]

Listening to Talksport earlier with Simon Jordan, he stated that the NFL have made a 'significant contribution to the new stadium, in double figures percentage wise'. Big news if true, however I wonder if he's got his wires crossed as it was previously announced a couple of years ago that the NFL contributed £10m to the build. Maybe he meant double figures million wise, but he definitely said percentage wise'.

The only good thing I've ever read about Simon Jordan was in a Palace programme some time before he managed to nearly drive them into the ground.

"The future's bright, the chairman's orange".

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

I’m quite good at maths, but you’re going to need to show your working out for me to understand this point.

 

[thinktank]

 

[Bulletspur]

It's more than big enough.

The new stadium will weed out the casual day trippers, tourists and rival fans sitting amongst the home sections.

What is wrong with casual visitors? The stadium is no more yours than it is theirs. You have such a fucking sense of entitlement

 

[worcestersauce]

Is there any time limit on the gap between test events and a proper competitive game? Could we for example, hold test events over the next two weeks and that is good to go whether it is next month or next season?

 

[Dougal]

What is wrong with casual visitors? The stadium is no more yours than it is theirs. You have such a fucking sense of entitlement

It’s probably the word ‘casual’. Occasional ‘visitors’ who the trip means the world to and are fully prepared to drink it all in are fine. I remember the excitement of my first few years. People who turn up and don’t have their heart and soul in it. Who think they are buying a ticket to be entertained for the afternoon like they’re watching a band who will play a certain set list and their guaranteed to hear all the hits and sit there sulking because the band are trying out new material and it’s a bit shit but that’s ok because at least the food was ok and they got some great pics of the lead singer. They’ll gather up their belongings and leave saying they were there and go about their business. That place isn’t theirs. Every time you go you need to leave a piece of yourself behind. Not literally. You’d be out of fingers and toes before we were out of the League Cup.

 

[Real_madyidd]

You are wrong, the day after the season starts it is no longer this season, it's no wonder fractions are beyond you. Perhaps if you had paid more attention in maths.

Old school! Was struggling to think what you were on about.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

What is wrong with casual visitors? The stadium is no more yours than it is theirs. You have such a fucking sense of entitlement

I mean...technically it is more mine than theirs because I have a season ticket?

 

[jimbo]

It’s probably the word ‘casual’. Occasional ‘visitors’ who the trip means the world to and are fully prepared to drink it all in are fine. I remember the excitement of my first few years. People who turn up and don’t have their heart and soul in it. Who think they are buying a ticket to be entertained for the afternoon like they’re watching a band who will play a certain set list and their guaranteed to hear all the hits and sit there sulking because the band are trying out new material and it’s a bit shit but that’s ok because at least the food was ok and they got some great pics of the lead singer. They’ll gather up their belongings and leave saying they were there and go about their business. That place isn’t theirs. Every time you go you need to leave a piece of yourself behind. Not literally. You’d be out of fingers and toes before we were out of the League Cup.

So you're only allowed to visit the stadium if you've 100% committed to Spurs?

Seems a bit short-sighted in terms of spreading the word to me. I would think there is an enormous number of now committed Spurs fans for whom that first visit to the ground was instrumental in sparking their unconditional love. I know it was for me.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I mean...technically it is more mine than theirs because I have a season ticket?

Not necessarily. Perhaps said 'casual visitor' just isn't able to get to the club as often/easily as yourself, but have spent thousands of pounds on Spurs merchandise.

 

[Hoopspur]

What is wrong with casual visitors? The stadium is no more yours than it is theirs. You have such a fucking sense of entitlement

Kind of agree. Surely 80k in the place would be better for the club than 62k. Unless they sit next to me that is! Oh, and it doesn’t change my distance from the pitch.

Edit - and as long as the club could somehow guarantee full capacity.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

I'd love to know the thoughts of people on us being at Wembley from people who have not actually experienced a match day at Wembley. Genuinely curious.

Old Trafford, post fergie, is absolutely full of tourists and empty seats now and the fans hate it because it has severely impacted the atmosphere there. It's great that people want to make long journeys to watch Spurs and I don't begrudge that one bit, however when you see us winning 3-0 at Dortmund and people are piling out of the stadium on the 85th minute...that fucking winds me up no end.

 

[Caco]

Not necessarily. Perhaps said 'casual visitor' just isn't able to get to the club as often/easily as yourself, but have spent thousands of pounds on Spurs merchandise.

Yeah, I'd actually have a problem with these types, but for different reasons. We've loads of them in Ireland, mainly Liverpool, Utd and Celtic fans, who claim to be die hard fans, have all the kit and a sky subscription. These are the type of "die-hard" fans which are chocking the life out of the domestic game. That said, they might go across to see "their team" every other year and will spend money in the club shop, but they will only return every other year regardless.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Yeah, I'd actually have a problem with these types, but for different reasons. We've loads of them in Ireland, mainly Liverpool, Utd and Celtic fans, who claim to be die hard fans, have all the kit and a sky subscription. These are the type of "die-hard" fans which are chocking the life out of the domestic game. That said, they might go across to see "their team" every other year and will spend money in the club shop, but they will only return every other year regardless.

I don't think you're getting my point.

I know many people online & in life, myself included, who are simply not in the position to be able to get to games, whether for financial, geographical or both reasons.

They/we would give our hind teeth to be in the position to be able to afford a season ticket, or attend every (any) game. But life has a habit of getting in the way of things.

I'm speaking as a 43 year old man who grew up in Seven Sisters, who's whole life used to evolve around THFC, but moved to Cornwall, had children, then lost everything. Wife, children, home, life!

Getting to a game is literally a pipe dream for me these days, affording rent & bills is hard enough. But I'm still a Tottenham boy, it's in my blood & my love and support for the club is as strong now as it was as a boy/teenager making that weekly walk down from Seven Sisters to the stadium to embrace the whole beautiful match-day atmosphere.

 

[coys200]

 

[Caco]

I don't think you're getting my point.

I know many people online & in life, myself included, who are simply not in the position to be able to get to games, whether for financial, geographical or both reasons.

They/we would give our hind teeth to be in the position to be able to afford a season ticket, or attend every (any) game. But life has a habit of getting in the way of things.

I'm speaking as a 43 year old man who grew up in Seven Sisters, who's whole life used to evolve around THFC, but moved to Cornwall, had children, then lost everything. Wife, children, home, life!

Getting to a game is literally a pipe dream for me these days, affording rent & bills is hard enough. But I'm still a Tottenham boy, it's in my blood & my love and support for the club is as strong now as it was as a boy/teenager making that weekly walk down from Seven Sisters to the stadium to embrace the whole beautiful match-day atmosphere.

No I get your point, but I maybe didn't explain mine very well. Essentially, with these type of occasional fans, they will spend money on new merchandise, possibly encourage future generations to do likewise and will occasionally go to a game. But this will happen regardless of new or old stadium or club success in my opinion, so from a financial perspective aren't really seen as increasing revenue streams for the club. To your last point, I understand were you're coming from here, before I had kids I used to get to every 4th game, in fact the year of lasagna-gate, I went to more Spurs games than Rovers games. But it's been a few years now since I've been unfortunately, so maybe I too fall into the category of occasional fan, with the exception that I will spend money on going to see domestic Irish football rather than give it to sky.

 

[Goldman]

however when you see us winning 3-0 at Dortmund and people are piling out of the stadium on the 85th minute...that fucking winds me up no end.

People leave Wembley early mainly because in can take an absolute age to get out and get home.

Having said that, even at White Hart Lane, with less “casual” fans, people still leave early to beat the rush.

It just happens.

 

[Dougal]

So you're only allowed to visit the stadium if you've 100% committed to Spurs?

Seems a bit short-sighted in terms of spreading the word to me. I would think there is an enormous number of now committed Spurs fans for whom that first visit to the ground was instrumental in sparking their unconditional love. I know it was for me.

Are you telling me there aren’t times you’ve sat at a Spurs game and thought you’d rather be sat on a riverbank? I’m not saying 100% but it’s more weeding out the ones who sit there bored or playing with their phones or ‘the greatest evil of all’, eating popcorn. If they’re filling the seats of someone who is 75% committed then I know who’d I’d rather have sat there going forward.

Edit: I put that more succinctly but my boss showed up and the long post I had written had just bloody disappeared. It was rousing I tell ya! Think Mel Gibson in Braveheart, Tom Cruise in Jerry Maguire or Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday. People would have been throwing their popcorn across the room. This isn’t that post. Just a tribute to it.

 

[Dougal]

People leave Wembley early mainly because in can take an absolute age to get out and get home.

Having said that, even at White Hart Lane, with less “casual” fans, people still leave early to beat the rush.

It just happens.

Beat what rush? Where are people rushing off to? I kinda get the last train argument for a night game but most of the time people sacrifice 15-20 minutes of a 90 minute game so they can spend an hour doing something presumably more important. It’s matchday. Allow time for a match and it’s associated travel time. Otherwise why are you bothering at all? Especially with our perchant for the late goal.

 

[dagraham]

I don’t blame people for leaving before the end at Wembley ( although after only 80mins ish is a bit extreme). Ever since we started playing at Wembley and I realised what a total ball ache it was getting home we’ve left early, although it’s always when injury time starts and never if the game is in the balance.

Sometimes we just leave and sometimes we walk to the top of the stairs, wait for the whistle and leg it. Just that simple thing shaves 30 mins off the journey home.

I’ve been going to Spurs for over 30 years and before Wembley only left a game early 2 or 3 times ever, so I don’t think that has anything to do with how much of a fan you are.

I think there is a difference between the “casual fan” and the “tourist type”. A casual fan may not often go, but is there for the match. A tourist ( and there are many at Wembley and I’m sure there will be some at the new stadium) seem to be there just as something to do on your London visit. The match is just background to the endless photos, videos, selfie sticks, popcorn, updating your social media bollocks.

Not content with just doing this during the match, they do it in the concourses as well, standing there with their cameras blocking the way like they would in Piccadilly fucking circus.

I get the argument that long term fans association and commitment to Spurs has to start somewhere, but I’m not convinced the tourist types are ever going to change. And even if a very small amount do, the trade off is not worth it imo.