New Stadium Details And Discussions

[Blackrat1299]

You aren't though. There's no laws or rules that say you have to sit, only that the club have to provide each ticketed admission with an allocated seat.

I draw your attention to the following specifically the highlighted section.

http://www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/standing/the-legalities-of-standing

Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.

 

[nailsy]

It is nor illegal in the fact that you cannot be arrested for standing, but it is a law that the club can lose their entertainment licence if they do not crack down on persistent standing.

• The legislation relating to standing in football grounds derives from section 11 of the Football Spectators Act 1989: ‘The Secretary of State may, by order, direct the licensing authority to include in any licence to admit spectators to any specified premises a condition imposing requirements as respects the seating of spectators at designated football matches at the premises; and it shall be the duty of the authority to comply with the direction.’

The club also warned fans about standing a few days ago. I don't know how people think it isn't against the rules.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sk...arn-fans-not-to-stand-at-manchester-city-game

Anyway it's probably worth opening a new thread on this topic as it's more of a standing at matches debate rather than a new stadium issue.

 

[yid1o]

In the south the disabled are in perfect position, in the north they aren’t. This all started because someone I believe was in the south upper and struggling with a bad back, and someone selfish telling him to go elsewhere and not spoil the fun.

I can’t even understand people don’t even realise the dangers of standing in that upper, let’s hope I’m never proved right and anyone suffers anything serious

I was talking about the south stand, that's why I quoted the other post. What's to disagree with what I said? Weird.

 

[Lighty64]

Lighty if it was as dangerous as you suggest the ground wouldn't be open. People going to their seat might kill everyone if they stumbled.

when your granted a safety certificate it's on the understanding of the seats being sat on. I'm talking about the steep stands where the minute matey in the front row stands, the 60 rows behind need to stand to watch the game. if matey at the top falls and pushes the person in front accidentally a good chance he will push the 1 in front (dominos)

 

[Lilbaz]

when your granted a safety certificate it's on the understanding of the seats being sat on. I'm talking about the steep stands where the minute matey in the front row stands, the 60 rows behind need to stand to watch the game. if matey at the top falls and pushes the person in front accidentally a good chance he will push the 1 in front (dominos)

Except people aren't dominos. Everyone stands up when a goal goes in, i'm sure they have factored in the possibility of one of them stumbling.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Some people are clearly too young to understand why we moved to all seater stadiums. As I kid in the early sixties I remember standing on terraces and being scared every time the crowd surged forward. Even then I could see one day there would be serious problems and at least in those days people had some respect for others. When I got older this issue added to the thug element, gangs if you like, who used football stadiums for their fights added to the pathetic facilities made watching top level football a very nasty experience. I hardly ever went in the 70's and 80's. What I worry about is it degenerating as people get more polarised and angry. Hopefully I am reading this all wrong

 

[Gb160]

Some people are clearly too young to understand why we moved to all seater stadiums. As I kid in the early sixties I remember standing on terraces and being scared every time the crowd surged forward. Even then I could see one day there would be serious problems and at least in those days people had some respect for others. When I got older this issue added to the thug element, gangs if you like, who used football stadiums for their fights added to the pathetic facilities made watching top level football a very nasty experience. I hardly ever went in the 70's and 80's. What I worry about is it degenerating as people get more polarised and angry. Hopefully I am reading this all wrong

It was those chest high (neck high for me as a kid) metal barriers randomly dotted around the terraces that scared the shit out of me.
It amazes me that more people weren't killed as surges were very common.

 

[spud]

This thread has been a blast over the years but when we're reduced to debating the legality and/or morality of standing to watch a match it's time to 'unwatch'. My thanks to all of the informed - and some of the uninformed but entertaining - contributors over the years, with a particular 'shout out' to davidmatzdorf; quite definitely in the former of those two categories.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

This thread has been a blast over the years but when we're reduced to debating the legality and/or morality of standing to watch a match it's time to 'unwatch'. My thanks to all of the informed - and some of the uninformed but entertaining - contributors over the years, with a particular 'shout out' to davidmatzdorf; quite definitely in the former of those two categories.

Hopefully though mate it'll kick back into normal function when the next stages of the area development etc begin.

I for one hope there's still going to be somewhere for those of us hundreds/thousands of miles away to be able to see everything transforming.

The public square, the hotel, the sports centre, the houses. All of it!.

 

[ajspurs]

This thread has been a blast over the years but when we're reduced to debating the legality and/or morality of standing to watch a match it's time to 'unwatch'. My thanks to all of the informed - and some of the uninformed but entertaining - contributors over the years, with a particular 'shout out' to davidmatzdorf; quite definitely in the former of those two categories.

Agreed mate. Had been a fantastic thread though previously!

Anyway, sorry if posted but came across this good quality video showing the build up to the CL game the other night, looks so fantastic, never thought I'd be so impressed by just the lighting also. Apologies if posted already!

 

[Lighty64]

I was talking about the south stand, that's why I quoted the other post. What's to disagree with what I said? Weird.

what originally started this debate off was someone being told he was as good as wrong buying a ticket in the South Stand and struggling with a bad back and having to stand. People want to be at the New Stadium, because it's a special moment at a special time for the club, but just because you have a disability whether it's long term or short term should be able to attend a match, and watch that game.

now don't get me wrong with the rails in place in the South Lower every man and his dog should expect it will happen, but I'm shocked that more hasn't been done to try and prevent it in the upper tier. there and all other upper tiers as I say I was stuffed and will be on Saturday for Legends, Palace, and Huddersfield. I will lose out in future if I can't get South.

my main concern is the safety in the South upper, and also penalties that could be brought against the club if Authorities where to insist on sitting and fans not abiding. I would also hate to hear of anyone being pulled out by a steward, and the club punishing that fan with a ban. my argument is if you can be loud sitting down then try it, because I'm as loud whether sitting or standing

 

[Lighty64]

Except people aren't dominos. Everyone stands up when a goal goes in, i'm sure they have factored in the possibility of one of them stumbling.

so have they taken into account me standing in front of you, but upsetting you and as I turn around you lump me on the chin, because your totally pissed, and I fall backwards into the bloke that was standing in front of me but totally unaware due to the noise

 

[Saoirse]

Some people are clearly too young to understand why we moved to all seater stadiums. As I kid in the early sixties I remember standing on terraces and being scared every time the crowd surged forward. Even then I could see one day there would be serious problems and at least in those days people had some respect for others. When I got older this issue added to the thug element, gangs if you like, who used football stadiums for their fights added to the pathetic facilities made watching top level football a very nasty experience. I hardly ever went in the 70's and 80's. What I worry about is it degenerating as people get more polarised and angry. Hopefully I am reading this all wrong

Maybe my history's wrong. But as unsafe as the terraces may have seemed, did they actually kill anyone in the postwar era barring Hillsborough - which we all know was a matter of police ineptness, overcrowding and a re-enforced fence? I can fully buy the fact that they were scary, risked injury, unsuitable for women/children/disabled people. But even to call them deathtraps seems like hyperbole. And that's before you consider that obviously nobody is advocating for a return to terracing. Hundreds of thousands of people around the country and around Europe stand in all-seater grounds every week, and it doesn't lead to constant serious injuries and deaths. I don't see why our new stadium would be any different. I know it's a sensitive topic, but I think we're seeing some real exaggeration about the whole thing.

 

[Lilbaz]

so have they taken into account me standing in front of you, but upsetting you and as I turn around you lump me on the chin, because your totally pissed, and I fall backwards into the bloke that was standing in front of me but totally unaware due to the noise

If they know me.

 

[Lighty64]

Maybe my history's wrong. But as unsafe as the terraces may have seemed, did they actually kill anyone in the postwar era barring Hillsborough - which we all know was a matter of police ineptness, overcrowding and a re-enforced fence? I can fully buy the fact that they were scary, risked injury, unsuitable for women/children/disabled people. But even to call them deathtraps seems like hyperbole. And that's before you consider that obviously nobody is advocating for a return to terracing. Hundreds of thousands of people around the country and around Europe stand in all-seater grounds every week, and it doesn't lead to constant serious injuries and deaths. I don't see why our new stadium would be any different. I know it's a sensitive topic, but I think we're seeing some real exaggeration about the whole thing.

Rangers v Celtic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Ibrox_disaster

I agree with exaggeration, I come from a school of prevention before cure

 

[Saoirse]

Rangers v Celtic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Ibrox_disaster

I agree with exaggeration, I come from a school of prevention before cure

That wasn't on a terrace, it was on a staircase heading out of the ground. As far as I can see whether those fans had been standing or sitting during the game is utterly irrelevent?

 

[Lighty64]

That wasn't on a terrace, it was on a staircase heading out of the ground. As far as I can see whether those fans had been standing or sitting during the game is utterly irrelevent?

that will teach me not to read the article, I knew there was an incident and just googled disaster and posted the link.

all I know is at the Palace game in the North Middle tier I had to keep getting up. because of my mobility I was close to falling forwards, thankfully my PA prevented that happening. it's not as steep or as deep, and have no idea how many rows in front where standing, but there isn't as many rows obviously compared to the south upper. that is a lot of bodies standing up there not just a few rows, and if someone the size and height of me lost balance it wouldn't be fun

 

[leesleftfoot]

I was in top row of south stand for CL game. Stewards come over just after second half had started. They asked everyone to sit down, policy was to get everyone seated from the back row working down. I asked how that would work, if I sat down I wouldn’t be able to see past the person standing in front of me.
I was then told by the steward not to worry and ignore him. Steward informed me they were being monitored by camera to try and get people to sit, but they knew they wouldn’t be able too. Informed to expect them to come over every ten minutes and wave their arms in flapping bird motion (they felt like ducks, his words) to get us to sit down and for us to do what ever we wanted. They didn’t care as long as they were showing they were trying to get people to sit.

 

[kr1978]

Maybe my history's wrong. But as unsafe as the terraces may have seemed, did they actually kill anyone in the postwar era barring Hillsborough - which we all know was a matter of police ineptness, overcrowding and a re-enforced fence? I can fully buy the fact that they were scary, risked injury, unsuitable for women/children/disabled people. But even to call them deathtraps seems like hyperbole. And that's before you consider that obviously nobody is advocating for a return to terracing. Hundreds of thousands of people around the country and around Europe stand in all-seater grounds every week, and it doesn't lead to constant serious injuries and deaths. I don't see why our new stadium would be any different. I know it's a sensitive topic, but I think we're seeing some real exaggeration about the whole thing.

Overcrowding and the fencing at the front were the main issues in those days, there was no proper crowd control and the numbers in the stands were always a lot more than the official number. That can’t happen now with the modern ticketing systems and the removal of cash at the gate-the vast majority of the problems that did occur then were more due to those things than the standing itself.

I just wasn’t there but I believe from a lot of our older fans that it was a near miracle it (hillsborough) didn’t happen at one of our games (think it was a match at wolves but could be wrong)

 

[Stamford]

It all just requires a bit of common sense. Anyone in the south lower who insists on sitting down needs to have a word with themselves. Likewise anyone standing in the west upper in reverse.