Newcastle buyout

[rossdapep]

If you want to compete with these shits we don't necessarily need billions to spend.

We did beat City to CL despite their riches and did have a two year spell when we were much better than them depsite their squad and spend (15-17).

Then there is Liverpool who have been incredible these last few years despite not having that wealth. So it can definitely be done.

However you do need people in th3 club with exceptional vision and ambition. Liverpool knew when to sell Coutinho and reinvested superbly. We would need to operate similarly. So if we get ridiculous bids for players we can accept but we also need to have people in the club who can identify the right replacements.

Newcastle will do what City did. City got a lot wrong early on, until they decided to go with Txiki Bergiristain and overhaul the club and the way they worked. Only under Guardiola have they really looked dominant. So Newcastle would need to get those appointments spot on and I can certainly see them making bad signings early on.

Our problem is that ENIC don't really have the hunger for titles and flip flop between the way we should be run. Let's hope Paratici can operate in the way he can and we benefit greatly from it because it's not going to come from ENIC per se.

 

[archiewasking]

Well at least we potentially have a rival now to City for Kane's signature, bump the price up to acceptable levels.

 

[Aphex]

Well at least we potentially have a rival now to City for Kane's signature, bump the price up to acceptable levels.

True but Newcastle are still years away from being competitive. Kane would be retired or in his twilight years before they win a title. If he went there it would be a total joke and he’d look like a mercenary.

Kane signing for Newcastle, that really would sum modern football up.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Alan shearer grinning away the fucking hypocrite ****
ESL is the mother Teresa foundation compared to his new masters

 

[Hakkz]

Why does that matter? Us having a 10%, 20%, 50% or even 100% smaller chance of winning trophies is completely insignificant, it doesn't even factor into the big picture.

The big picture is MBS and his investment fund murdering, word chosen deliberately, football because he, Stavely and the Reubens want a shiny toy to sportswash.

And Newcastle fans are lapping it up and some people here are jealous

The whole reason they've gone after Newcastle is because they're relatively cheap and the fans hate Ashley so incredibly much they're probably the easiest to sway of any fanbase in the country. And they've largely bought it and that completely phoney interview Stavely did hook, line and sinker.

I know a few foreign fans who are giving up Newcastle altogether, including two work colleagues. But the Geordies seem to, simply, not care because Ashley out was more important to them than the very (already very badly ripped) moral fabric of football.

This is killing off my last interest in the Premier league as it is. Getting no joy out of it anymore.

 

[easley91]

Going to start a new career mode on FIFA this afternoon and stick Newcastle in League 2 or rest of world for Wrexham (and subsequently promote other teams who finished highest without promotion). Sod having them anywhere near me from now on.

 

[whitesocks]

Nobody cares. Money over morality and has been for years. Probably since Thatcher!

We even sell arms to Saudi Arabia ?‍

Exactly. If you were a top english captain.. and were offered £500k p/w to go there, then you'd argue yourself into making that move.
After all, the premiership has said the owners are fit and proper. The government say it is OK. They trade with the saudis all the time. They are the ones that regulate ownership - that's their job.

An agent would advise the player that if they feel that strongly about all the politics, then donate £10k p/w to Khashoggi's family. £10k to gay rights. £10k to arab democracy movements. And buy some CT scanners for the local hospitals while you are at it.
You could argue it would be the morally right thing to do to join newcastle, to fund these causes.

 

[Dillspur]

This is killing off my last interest in the Premier league as it is. Getting no joy out of it anymore.

I know what you mean. We really missed our chance, over 2 season we had the most PL points and then got to a CL final.

It'll be a while before Newcastle are anywhere near challenging and I would imagine there will be a lot of fans rooting for their relegation. I wonder what affect that will have on a poor squad and manager that know they won't be part of the new future.

 

[Gb160]

Going to start a new career mode on FIFA this afternoon and stick Newcastle in League 2 or rest of world for Wrexham (and subsequently promote other teams who finished highest without promotion). Sod having them anywhere near me from now on.

That'll show them.

 

[cliff jones]

The involvement of the Reuben brothers is still a bit of a mystery to me. Saudis obviously don’t need their money, Stavely is the acceptable western blonde women face of the operation so what exactly are the Ruebens doing. Tbh it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s just one big smoke screen for huge property development and the opportunity to literally take over a Northern British city

Boris will be trotting it out as a fine example of non-EU led FDI driving his levelling up agenda before you know it.

Look forward to seeing MBS sat there on a snowy Friday night in January watching 50m signing Dele trying to nutmeg some clogger from Burnley, thinking someone’s taking me for a fkin ride here!

As long as they don’t hire Conte…

 

[cliff jones]

If you want to compete with these shits we don't necessarily need billions to spend.

We did beat City to CL despite their riches and did have a two year spell when we were much better than them depsite their squad and spend (15-17).

Then there is Liverpool who have been incredible these last few years despite not having that wealth. So it can definitely be done.

However you do need people in th3 club with exceptional vision and ambition. Liverpool knew when to sell Coutinho and reinvested superbly. We would need to operate similarly. So if we get ridiculous bids for players we can accept but we also need to have people in the club who can identify the right replacements.

Newcastle will do what City did. City got a lot wrong early on, until they decided to go with Txiki Bergiristain and overhaul the club and the way they worked. Only under Guardiola have they really looked dominant. So Newcastle would need to get those appointments spot on and I can certainly see them making bad signings early on.

Our problem is that ENIC don't really have the hunger for titles and flip flop between the way we should be run. Let's hope Paratici can operate in the way he can and we benefit greatly from it because it's not going to come from ENIC per se.

Liverpool and to a degree Leicester have invested- they accumulated their front four by spending good money on the right players, even before the PC windfall.

They then add Jota and Thiago instead of resting on their laurels. ENIC neither understand the need to reinvest nor trust in football men they hire to do their job.

 

[Delboy75]

Typical Spurs luck that in a world where all the Arab / muslim billionaires are buying up PL clubs, we are known as a jewish club so they won't touch us with a barge pole.

The thing is, the arabs splash cash around like they just don't care, and I'm NOT saying Jewish people are tight (before anyone get's the wrong impression), but I don't think you see the same kind of almost careless spending from Jewish billionaires in sport. If there is, I'd love to see an example.

Arab's are quite well known for flaunting their wealth, and football is an extension of that.

I mean this consortium has seen the Saudis go in with the Reuben brothers ( who are Jewish if you couldn’t guess by the name), and last time I checked Abramovich was Jewish lol.

 

[Delboy75]

I’d also just add that almost seems to go under the radar is that until this season Everton we’re pretty well maxed out on FFP and Newcastle starting revenue is less than Everton. And it hasn’t exactly got Everton very far. This is gonna be a lot more tricky than people think. I mean at the start of this season most people would have valued Kane & Son partnership at £250m and nobody gave us a chance of top 4. When Chelsea & City we’re taken over the landscape with FFP was very different.

 

[JamieSpursCommunityUser]

It makes it harder us for us to win trophies in the future though. We now have even less hope than before.

It makes it more competitive for the top 4 clubs and other arab owned clubs, but for us it is a game changer, there is almost no doubt Newcastle in the next few years will be in the top 4 places, so it basically completely fucks us.

I'm far more worried about the very real and calculated dismantling of British society being undertaken by hostile foreign actors, than Spurs perennial battle for the top 4. And I f-ing love Spurs.

We know the Saudi's didn't buy Newcastle because they grew up with Peter Beardsley posters on their walls, because they're out of ideas on how to take their £300bn and turn it into £301bn, or because of their benevolence towards the people of Durham.

It's for two purposes. To distract from their atrocities and rehabilitate their reputation, by earning the tacit acceptance of not only Newcastle fans but the global football community, which makes up 50% of the world's population.

That soft power is something no other venture can give them.

The second purpose, is divide and conquer, and the dismantling British society aspect, comes from the brutal reality that if you ask most City fans about the capture and torture of a British Academic in Abu Dhabi, they will shrug their shoulders or throw out some whataboutery.

British academic sues UAE officials over torture claims while in detention

Matthew Hedges, jailed for life and pardoned on spying charges, says there has been ‘total lack of redress’

www.theguardian.com

Emotionally these fans now have greater allegiance to the UAE than the UK. It then becomes further tribalized as siege mentality takes hold, and this is only going to get worse. What happens to a society when one side is perceived to be cheering on murders, and the other treats them with growing contempt? Amplify that polarisation through social media and football, and you've got a big problem.

There's a book from the 1980s called Amusing ourselves to death, which weighs up the themes of Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's A Brave New World - which predicts this perfectly.

That eventually societies will surrender their rights and values to totalitarian governments, in preference for self medicating through trivial entertainment. Populations will be willfully mis-informed by selection of polarised news, and the weakening their facilties for rational inquiry.

This is what I see in the Geordie fans exuberance and stonewalling of any moral protests. Yes it has context because of the Ashley years, austerity, and the North South divide. It's not like they're without legitimate grievance.

But deep down many will know their owners kidnapped, tortured, and brutally murdered Khashoggi in cold blood. They will either openly refuse to care, exacerbating the cultural divide, or just chose whichever narrative they find that gives them permission to disregard it.

I'm not singling out City or Newcastle fans here. It's a British problem, and a vulnerability that is being tactically exploited, and will continue to be. Spurs could be next, and yes believe it or not I will have similar concerns.

I love Spurs and PL football, but not as much as I love the British values of liberty and justice.

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

This is why I thought the media's reaction to the ESL, as well as pundits like Neville and Lineker, etc, was a complete joke.

It's one thing arguing that the ESL would be bad for football for practical reasons, but arguments against it on moral grounds have no founding.

If you've let the owners of City and Chelsea into the game, and you don't criticise them at every opportunity, then why should I listen to anything you have to say about "morals" in other areas of the game?

And all the while, those who pontificate about ethical behaviour, are making millions off the back of broadcasting deals, whose employers, the media companies, make even more from the unethical behaviour of these owners.

And now they're turning a blind-eye to an owner who DETAINED, TORTURED, MURDERED AND MUTILATED ANOTHER HUMAN BEING!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!??

Do the people in the media not see this?

Are we all taking crazy-pills now?

They don't care, there is a mock anger now, where people will say how disgusting it is. How it shouldn't happen etc...

It doesn't matter, Abramovich opened the door, we accepted a corrupt Russian gangster and the people don't even care anymore. How many people criticise Roman and his history nowadays?

There is no morality in football, there hasn't been for a long time. Give it a couple of years and people will be fine with this as they are with Man City, Chelsea and all the other shit going on in football.

 

[wiggo24]

I'm far more worried about the very real and calculated dismantling of British society being undertaken by hostile foreign actors, than Spurs perennial battle for the top 4. And I f-ing love Spurs.

We know the Saudi's didn't buy Newcastle because they grew up with Peter Beardsley posters on their walls, because they're out of ideas on how to take their £300bn and turn it into £301bn, or because of their benevolence towards the people of Durham.

It's for two purposes. To distract from their atrocities and rehabilitate their reputation, by earning the tacit acceptance of not only Newcastle fans but the global football community, which makes up 50% of the world's population.

That soft power is something no other venture can give them.

The second purpose, is divide and conquer, and the dismantling British society aspect, comes from the brutal reality that if you ask most City fans about the capture and torture of a British Academic in Abu Dhabi, they will shrug their shoulders or throw out some whataboutery.

British academic sues UAE officials over torture claims while in detention

Matthew Hedges, jailed for life and pardoned on spying charges, says there has been ‘total lack of redress’

www.theguardian.com

Emotionally these fans now have greater allegiance to the UAE than the UK. It then becomes further tribalized as siege mentality takes hold, and this is only going to get worse. What happens to a society when one side is perceived to be cheering on murders, and the other treats them with growing contempt? Amplify that polarisation through social media and football, and you've got a big problem.

There's a book from the 1980s called Amusing ourselves to death, which weighs up the themes of Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's A Brave New World - which predicts this perfectly.

That eventually societies will surrender their rights and values to totalitarian governments, in preference for self medicating through trivial entertainment. And populations will be willfully mis-informed by selection of polarised news, and the weakening their facilities for rational inquiry.

This is what I see in the Geordie fans exuberance and stonewalling of any moral protests. Yes it has context because of the Ashley years, austerity, and the North South divide. It's not like their without legitimate grievance.

But deep down many will know their owners kidnapped and abducted Khashoggi. They will either openly refuse to care, exacerbating the cultural divide, or just chose to ind whatever narrative they find that gives them permission to disregard it.

I'm not singling out City or Newcastle fans here. It's a British problem, and a vulnerability that is being tactically exploited, and will continue to be. Spurs could be next, and yes believe it or not I will have similar concerns.

I love Spurs an PL football, but not as much as I love the British values of liberty and justice.

Excellent post, exactly my thoughts too. Find it all thoroughly depressing.

 

[Metalhead]

True but Newcastle are still years away from being competitive. Kane would be retired or in his twilight years before they win a title. If he went there it would be a total joke and he’d look like a mercenary.

Kane signing for Newcastle, that really would sum modern football up.

I was chatting to some friends who support Newcastle and they can't see why Kane would go there for that reason.

 

[makeveli]

So now for us top 4 is gone

city
Newcastle
Pool
Utd
Chavs
Spurs
Arse

 

[Locotoro]

One thing I will say, is even with the SA KIngdom ploughing money in, it's arguable how successful Newcastle can be.

We already have Chelsea and City buying trophies, and there aren't enough trophies to go around. Plus, do footballers really want to live in the North East? I know money talks, and some will go there, but Newcastle isn't London, it's not even Manchester or Liverpool who have the heritage and esteem behind them.

I have no doubt they will probably win a trophy or two if they keep spending money, but there is no reason why they will suddently become more successful than City or Chelsea who already hoover up the best players. Then you've still got United and Liverpool.

The interesting thing about this situation is that when Man City started their spending spree it actually benefitted us because they directly bought from our rivals. Man City bought several players from Arsenal, Chelsea and even Man Utd - making them less competitive in the process and that made it easier for us to compete with them across a season.

If Newcastle are looking for ready made premier league players they are likely to be buying squad players of the established top 6 and so long as we can increase our strength that will make them less competitive against us in the long term. Alternatively, if Newcastle start buying foreign imports that are likely to take 12 months to adapt they will start off a cycle of hiring/firing managers that will keep them around 8th to 6th.

 

[SixtyFour]

When Chelsea & City we’re taken over the landscape with FFP was very different.

True - it took Chelsea two years to win the league, City - four. Newcastle would be going some to match that. But - they are the richest club in the world and win it they will. Building up to it slowly may even play into their “hey, we’re not the bad guys” sportswashing agenda.