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[Ghost Hardware]

Sounds like he did a good job at Copenhagen.

FC Copenhagen's transfer triumphs: Johan Lange explains their success

FC Copenhagen have become experts at finding value in the market. Ahead of their Europa League tie against Celtic, Adam Bate spoke to the clubs technical director Johan Lange to find out how they do it...

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We’ve no real idea what he will do with us but we’ve had enough time to find someone. These people never tend to last long with us anyway.

This was a good detailed read by The Athletic

Johan Lange: Tottenham’s new appointment who plotted Aston Villa’s revolution

Tottenham’s new technical director Johan Lange did not take long to make waves at his former club Aston Villa

theathletic.com

 

[ukdy]

Are we doing memes?

 

[SpursSince1980]

When some say they'd rather Gabbi stay over this new chap. What's that based on? As I know very little about either of them and how they operated behind the scenes. I can only assume those expressing this POV have knowledge about the two and can explain the differences between them? I remain blissfully naive when it comes to that side of things. So, for those that are expressing this preference, I'd sincerely appreciate if they'd be willing to share what they know. (Thank you, in advance).

Really delighted to see that Paratici will stay on as a consultant. That's excellent news given his track-record to date.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

When some say they'd rather Gabbi stay over this new chap. What's that based on? As I know very little about either of them and how they operated behind the scenes. I can only assume those expressing this POV have knowledge about the two and can explain the differences between them? I remain blissfully naive when it comes to that side of things. So, for those that are expressing this preference, I'd sincerely appreciate if they'd be willing to share what they know. (Thank you, in advance).

Really delighted to see that Paratici will stay on as a consultant. That's excellent news given his track-record to date.

People understandably are reticent to have an entirely new DOF just when it seemed to be coming together with our signings and recruitment strategy. None of us really know what goes on behind the scenes with these guys. It’s a best guess.

 

[Johnny J]

Ange is is great, but we've gone one better with Lange.

 

[littlewilly]

Ange is is great, but we've gone one better with Lange.

L of a lot better.

 

[Tezza1978]

Ange is is great, but we've gone one better with Lange.

Indeed. He did some cracking trance remixes back in the late 90s/early 00's...#itwillalwaysbewithme ......so pleased he is now successful in the football arena!

 

[Cinemattis]

Paratici broight in several really good players. For Conte. Who didn’t rate most of them. But same players game good under Ange. Who Paratici didn’t want (his choice was Enrique).

But more on the serious side:

Paratici has one, very serious flaw. He’s obviously really good at spotting talents, but he’s equally terrible in selling players. He was at Juve and he was with us.

Lange’s record at selling players, both at Villa and Copenhagen, is far, far superior.

Gabbi did a really good job for us after Paratici left. But as has been described in several articles, he isn’t/wasn’t a great people’s person and could be a bit difficult to work with. In the Athletic piece, Lange is described as a very likable and popular person. Which fits much better with what Ange has brought to the club. Atmosphere and environment shouldn’t be underestimated in any workplace.

 

[cabinfever]

Ange > Lange. I’ll donate £4M to SC if our next recruit is someone called Flange.

Well our kit could be supplied by………..

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Paratici broight in several really good players. For Conte. Who didn’t rate most of them. But same players game good under Ange. Who Paratici didn’t want (his choice was Enrique).

But more on the serious side:

Paratici has one, very serious flaw. He’s obviously really good at spotting talents, but he’s equally terrible in selling players. He was at Juve and he was with us.

Lange’s record at selling players, both at Villa and Copenhagen, is far, far superior.

Gabbi did a really good job for us after Paratici left. But as has been described in several articles, he isn’t/wasn’t a great people’s person and could be a bit difficult to work with. In the Athletic piece, Lange is described as a very likable and popular person. Which fits much better with what Ange has brought to the club. Atmosphere and environment shouldn’t be underestimated in any workplace.

Selling players for us is totally different with Villa and Copenhagen. The players we want to sell are at high wages which the buying clubs wouldn't afford. Those clubs that can afford such wages would not be interested in buying them.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Selling players for us is totally different with Villa and Copenhagen. The players we want to sell are at high wages which the buying clubs wouldn't afford. Those clubs that can afford such wages would not be interested in buying them.

That goes for Juve also. Many of their players were on incredibly high wages so shifting them was not an easy task. Also Levy wasn’t keen to take a loss on most of our unwanted players.

I’m not saying Paratici was perfect, at Juve his recruitment was a little unbalanced and his manager pics have been rather questionable but i really don’t think you can judge him too much on struggling to sell average players that are on large wages with large asking prices.

The positive change he has brought about here is massive and he will be an extremely hard man to replace. Personally I still hope he returns fully when his ban is over.

 

[spursfan77]

This was a good detailed read by The Athletic

Johan Lange: Tottenham’s new appointment who plotted Aston Villa’s revolution

Tottenham’s new technical director Johan Lange did not take long to make waves at his former club Aston Villa

theathletic.com

Cheers I’ll have a read of that. As we’ve seen all to well, the recruitment has to be right but it also is irrelevant if the manager isn’t the right chap for those players too.

That’s why I wasn’t too worried about the “name” of who we brought in, more that he gets on well with the manager, does the heavy recruitment lifting for him and sings from the same hymn sheet. They’ve had months to bring the right guy in so really have zero excuses to not get it right.

Edit: An interesting bit from the Athletic article:

Another reason, The Athletic understands, that Villa reshaped their scouting network was due to the arrival of Rob Mackenzie as head of recruitment. Villa feel the ex-Tottenham and Leicester City transfer guru was a big improvement on what was already at the club, and therefore encouraged a change.

Mackenzie was with us under Mitchell I think, so I suspect we would have reached out to him for his view.

 

[longtimespur]

Ange is is great, but we've gone one better with Lange.

No it should be “one L of a lot better.just seen this has been said already. lol. Only just got up.

 

[danielneeds]

Reading the articles about him, I think the main points are:

1. He works to the coach's requirements and likes a settled way of playing.
2. He'll let the data lead them to players worth monitoring more closely.
3. He'll get rid of all the people in the recruitment department not aligned to this way of working, so scouts who don't trust data, etc.

 

[Cochise]

Iirc Gabbanini's issue wasn't that he was a bad people's person, but that he didn't shy away from telling those above how things were.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Cheers I’ll have a read of that. As we’ve seen all to well, the recruitment has to be right but it also is irrelevant if the manager isn’t the right chap for those players too.

That’s why I wasn’t too worried about the “name” of who we brought in, more that he gets on well with the manager, does the heavy recruitment lifting for him and sings from the same hymn sheet. They’ve had months to bring the right guy in so really have zero excuses to not get it right.

Agree, im not so fussed about the name but I also don't think just having a data led approach is guaranteed to result in success. After all its all about how one interprets the data and intertwines it with live scouting. From reading the Atheltic article there is certainly some very interesting and positive elements about Lange but im also not entirely convinced the results of his data approach have been that impressive especially when you discard Watkins and Martinez and his belief that Sanson was too good a deal to turn down despite scouts having concerns. To completely ignore the concerns of scouts is slightly worrying to me personally. That being said he obviously had a hand in taking Villa up the table so there's certainly positives, his desire to work closely with the managers wishes when it comes to player ID is very good to hear.

Overall i must say from everything I've read im a little skeptical but hopefully this will just be the right fit. Paratici's continued involvement certainly makes me significantly less worried in regards to his appointment as one can't help but feel he's still pretty high up the food chain despite not holding an official position. Its just a question of what exactly is their dynamic going forward.

 

[danielneeds]

Agree, im not so fussed about the name but I also don't think just having a data led approach is guaranteed to result in success. After all its all about how one interprets the data and intertwines it with live scouting. From reading the Atheltic article there is certainly some very interesting and positive elements about Lange but im also not entirely convinced the results of his data approach have been that impressive especially when you discard Watkins and Martinez and his belief that Sanson was too good a deal to turn down despite scouts having concerns. To completely ignore the concerns of scouts is slightly worrying to me personally. That being said he obviously had a hand in taking Villa up the table so there's certainly positives, his desire to work closely with the managers wishes when it comes to player ID is very good to hear.

Overall i must say from everything I've read im a little skeptical but hopefully this will just be the right fit. Paratici's continued involvement certainly makes me significantly less worried in regards to his appointment as one can't help but feel he's still pretty high up the food chain despite not holding an official position. Its just a question of what exactly is their dynamic going forward.

The main thing really is that there isn't some magic bullet recruitment guy. It's the alignment between the recruitment and coaching side, and the overall vision. Look at Brighton, Chelsea and Newcastle poached all their top recruitment guys, and nothing changed because the plan was strong and their processes sound.

I trust that Ange knows the qualities that he needs for his team to thrive so hopefully the new recruitment team can go and find him the right guys.

 

[Trix]

Done some digging and I genuinely don't get it. Everything I hear is, well, meh. Lets hope Munn and Levy know something everyone else doesn't, because personally I don't get Lange over Gabbanini.

 

[fecka]

Iirc Gabbanini's issue wasn't that he was a bad people's person, but that he didn't shy away from telling those above how things were.

"The Italian is a passionate, direct talker, a workaholic like Paratici, and is not one to mince his words. That style does not go down well with everyone. Some simply say he is a 'character', others he has crossed have claimed his style can come across as arrogance and his confidence in his work has not always rubbed up people the right way." Football. London

Sounds to me like the Conte of scouts. Being good at your job is well and good, but an equally big part of any job is being careful of who you make into your enemy. Could be that they just felt his conduct didn't align with the new direction of the club.

 

[Wick3d]

Sometimes, you don't want everything to be a battle. I know some fantastic workers, but working with them is challenging, as their personalities are rather combative. It is important to understand when to play things hard or take a more gentle approach.