No more excuses

[themanwhofellasleep]

Last season was all about transition. But Ramos has now been at the club for long enough to get rid of the players he doesn't rate and to bring in new ones. He's also had six months playing time to imprint his own mentality on the players and make sure that they understand that finishing 11th isn't good enough.

When we won the CC Cup I was very impressed by Ramos and the way he had changed the mentality of the players. However, the woeful performances after the CC final really shocked me. I don't care if we had nothing to play for, we still looked dreadful. I don't blame Ramos, but I do hope that now that he's shipped out the dead wood we approach games with a better mentality.

We have spent an awful lot of money this summer and Ramos seems to have been given much more control over signing players than previous managers were afforded. So I don't want to hear anyone at the club talking about "being in transition" or "building for the future". I accept that last season was poor (in terms of the league) but it did allow Ramos to bed in nice and early and means that we start the season with a manager who knows the league and knows what is required of him.

I say all this because the last two seasons we've started with away games up north, full of hope and expectation and we've lost them both. And I can see another banana skin in Boro on the first day. I'm not saying we should slate the team if we lose, but I am hoping for a better start than watching Afonso Alves hit a hat-trick against us.

No more transition. No more excuses. I don't want to hear about how Berbatov is unsettled or about how we need a defensive midfielder. We've had the summer to sort all that out. Let's get out there and win some games.

 

[camaj]

It's still going to be a transition season. Until we get a settled squad and settled manager, it'll be transitional. For just once, I'd like us to start a season with only a few changes.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I don't think this will be a transition season. I think the goals are well set and we want to finish in the top 4 and win all the cup competitions we enter. While I don't think we will achieve all that, it isn't because we are in transition, more likely that is just a bit of a push considering the competition.

As the opening poster has stated, Ramos' ideas are well set and he has a talented squad. We are well prepared and I expect us to have a good season.

 

[azlankicap]

Is there really a such thing as a transition year? Basically most of the teams that undergo a massive overhaul like ours give excuses of a transition year but i'd like us to emulate Madrid of last season when they have pretty much changed their entire back line and midfield but still went on to win the league. Of course i'm looking for us to win the league YET but it'll be nice if we can mantain a good start and look to challenge for the top 4 spot next year around.

 

[sloth]

last season was all about transition. But ramos has now been at the club for long enough to get rid of the players he doesn't rate and to bring in new ones. He's also had six months playing time to imprint his own mentality on the players and make sure that they understand that finishing 11th isn't good enough.

When we won the cc cup i was very impressed by ramos and the way he had changed the mentality of the players. However, the woeful performances after the cc final really shocked me. I don't care if we had nothing to play for, we still looked dreadful. I don't blame ramos, but i do hope that now that he's shipped out the dead wood we approach games with a better mentality.

We have spent an awful lot of money this summer and ramos seems to have been given much more control over signing players than previous managers were afforded. So i don't want to hear anyone at the club talking about "being in transition" or "building for the future". I accept that last season was poor (in terms of the league) but it did allow ramos to bed in nice and early and means that we start the season with a manager who knows the league and knows what is required of him.

I say all this because the last two seasons we've started with away games up north, full of hope and expectation and we've lost them both. And i can see another banana skin in boro on the first day. I'm not saying we should slate the team if we lose, but i am hoping for a better start than watching afonso alves hit a hat-trick against us.

No more transition. No more excuses. I don't want to hear about how berbatov is unsettled or about how we need a defensive midfielder. We've had the summer to sort all that out. Let's get out there and win some games.

lol

 

[si_yidarmy]

in ramos we trust!

 

[si_yidarmy]

lol

ditto


whoever started this thread, we still have about 15 days to bring players in. We got keane on one of the last days remember? I think this will be a see what you can do season!

 

[guate]

Like the headline says, no more excuses.

However I do feel that this season is also one of transition. Players such as Ledley King (injuries) Jermaine Jenas (never quite fulfilled expectations) Aaron Lennon (never quite fulfilled expectations) Jamie O'Hara (squad or first team player) Adel Taarabt (squad player) Tom Huddlestone (squad player or first team defensive mid-fielder) Kevin Prince Boaeteng, Michael Dawson, Bennoit Assou-Ekotto, are, in my mind, all under the microscope regarding their future at the Lane.

Even Juande Ramos, master tactician that he may be, has still not convinced me 100% that he has what it takes to compete with the Top 4 and my reason for saying this is what, precisely, did the team do after the C.C. win to demonstrate otherwise? Or was it all part of a master plan to win one of the cups and just survive in the league until the season was over??

I hope for all their sakes each one comes through this up season proving me wrong and that Juande, in particular, goes on to be a Spurs legend, rivalling the great Billy Nick.

But, as the man says, NO MORE EXCUSES.

QUE VIVA LOS SPURS

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Some people are impatient, so what if Ramos makes an excuse, then what????

 

[double0]

This season will be very interesting.

We have brought quality footballers and should be easy for our players to gel when in possession of the ball. The problem might be when we face teams like Bolton away Hull, etc...100mph football with tackles flying in.

It is very important that King, Woodgate, Jenas and Gomes stay fit and our full backs defend well..we'll have no problems.

 

[nidge]

At the end of the day at the beginning of last season we apparently had a squad and coach capable of challenging the top 4, now a few of us on here suggested that was bullshit and needed a lot of changes to truly challenge the top 4. Now we have improved our coach, and our first 11 is definitely stronger than it was last summer so the question is with all the improvements made what is a realistic goal for the club in the league? I honestly don't know where this team will finish because there are too many unknowns for my liking. Hopefully the players all gel and we see the sorts of performances I honestly believe our best 11 are capable of.

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

Nudge pretty much summed up what I was trying to say. I expect that we'll sell Berbatov and bring in another striker, but aside from that, I think the squad is pretty good as it stands.

Over the last few years, at the beginning of the season we say "this could be the season we break the top four" and then by December we're saying "Oh, but we sold Carrick, it's a season in transition" or "Oh, we've sacked Jol, it's a season in transition". I am not saying that I expect us to win the league, or even qualify for the CL. But I do expect us to perform consistently, as befits a team with a top manager who has been in place for some time, and a squad that has cost as much as any, bar Man U and Chelsea. What I don't want is to end up 14th come the end of the year, with everyone saying how next season the team will really gel, and how Modric, Dos Santos, Gomes etc still need time to adapt.

 

[SouthLondonSpur]

So I don't want to hear anyone at the club talking about "being in transition" or "building for the future".

It's still going to be a transition season.

:rofl:

 

[Montasura]

Last season was all about transition. But Ramos has now been at the club for long enough to get rid of the players he doesn't rate and to bring in new ones. He's also had six months playing time to imprint his own mentality on the players and make sure that they understand that finishing 11th isn't good enough.

When we won the CC Cup I was very impressed by Ramos and the way he had changed the mentality of the players. However, the woeful performances after the CC final really shocked me. I don't care if we had nothing to play for, we still looked dreadful. I don't blame Ramos, but I do hope that now that he's shipped out the dead wood we approach games with a better mentality.

We have spent an awful lot of money this summer and Ramos seems to have been given much more control over signing players than previous managers were afforded. So I don't want to hear anyone at the club talking about "being in transition" or "building for the future". I accept that last season was poor (in terms of the league) but it did allow Ramos to bed in nice and early and means that we start the season with a manager who knows the league and knows what is required of him.

I say all this because the last two seasons we've started with away games up north, full of hope and expectation and we've lost them both. And I can see another banana skin in Boro on the first day. I'm not saying we should slate the team if we lose, but I am hoping for a better start than watching Afonso Alves hit a hat-trick against us.

No more transition. No more excuses. I don't want to hear about how Berbatov is unsettled or about how we need a defensive midfielder. We've had the summer to sort all that out. Let's get out there and win some games.

I have to say that I disagree with some of your thoughts. First off, last season was clearly not about transition! Last season was about a team that had finished 5th for 2 seasons previous simply not performing or reproducing that form. As a result MJ got the sack and Ramos came in. This is not transition, this is a club trying to fix a team that had completely lost the plot. Not once do I recall anyone at the club making excuses of transition last season. Ramos "has had 6 months to imprint his mentality" on a bunch of players who have now, mostly, left Spurs!

This season, however, IS a season of transition as we will have an almost completely new starting 11 compared to this time last year. These players have barely played together and some have no experience of the premiership....that is transition.

Transition aside, I do agree that all at the club and the fans know that 11th is simply not good enough.

I don't think this will be a transition season. I think the goals are well set and we want to finish in the top 4 and win all the cup competitions we enter. While I don't think we will achieve all that, it isn't because we are in transition, more likely that is just a bit of a push considering the competition.

As the opening poster has stated, Ramos' ideas are well set and he has a talented squad. We are well prepared and I expect us to have a good season.

I don't think the goals have been set. Certainly there has been no statement from the club setting any goals. The only goals that have been set are by fans who (quite rightly) have high expectations (myself included)

lol

:shrugointless:shrug:

 

[AngerManagement]

We have made good signings, im just a little concerned that as of today we still have atleast 3 signings that need to be made and time is running out.

If you take it as a given that we lose Berbatov and King is unable to be a fixture for the whole season then these signings need to be made and if we go into the new season without these we may not be as well equipt as we would have hoped to be.

Corluka played in the Uefa cup today so will surely be cupped tied from playing in the same tournement for another time, as such its likely this transfer is dead...Arshavin is being reported as dead in the water also (although there seems to be rumblings to the contray also)

but I am very worried that we will still be 2-3 signings short of what we need come the time the window shuts, I hoping for some wonder signings out of the blue to make everything right.

 

[double0]

King especially is key along with Woodgate and Gomes if these there players can perform and stay fit, I honestly see us challenging for the top 3.

Corluka has played for City therefore if he were to come he'd be cup tied. Anyway I believe Rocha's still about and IMO his a steady defender.

When Berbatov goes it is obvious we;ll need other striker if we can get the two Russian Pavhyuchenko, Arshavin and probably a DM to keep the mass sweet, well be very sweet come the new season.

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

Why did we sack Jol and get Ramos in back in October? Not to keep us from getting relegated, but to fulfill the club's long-term goals of a top-four finish. Part of the reason we didn't stick with Jol was so that the new coach would have six months of the season to get used to the club and the premiership, so that when this season started, he wouldn't be new to the club and could hit the ground running. So that this season everything would be in place for a proper challenge on the top four, without worrying about the language barrier or the fact that he was using players he didn't rate.

Well, the new season is about to start. He's shipped out the players he doesn't rate and has brought in his own men. So, for me anyway, this shouldn't be a season in transition. If we do badly this season, it's because we (the management and the players) aren't as good as we thought, not because we still aren't ready.

 

[flatback4]

Every season is a transition season. Players come and go; get injured, lose form; and new tactics are tried out. Look at the top 4 - they're continually trying to add to their squads and aiming to be just a little bit better each season.

What Tottenham finally seem to have grasped is that change on the pitch has got to be balanced by continuity in the Manager's job. You just can't drop the coach if he doesn't bring instant success. The key of course is finding the right coach in the first place - Fergie, Benitez, Morinho for example - and then having faith in them. Unfortunately, our board until recently had an unrivalled record of hiring crap coaches, who bought crap players and then wondered why we were always a mid-table side. Vicious circle.

The penny dropped with Santini - which could've worked; Jol might well have worked if he'd been given a little time to bed in rather than take over after 5 mins. As it is, he worked miracles for a couple of seasons. Ramos looks the real deal. But he has to be given time. I really think he's the coach to bring the glory days back. He's made a great start, but good though it was to win the CC, a coach is judged by how well he does in the Lge. That's going to be a tough task, but I hope the board and the supporters cut him a little slack if it takes him a little time.

 

[themanwhofellasleep]

No more excuses. This is Ramos's team. And we were bloody awful. I know it's only the first day of the season (we could still win the league) but let's not pretend we were anything other than dreadful.

The hardest part was the Liverpool/Sunderland game starting afterwards, and watching Keane, Malbranque (the whole pub shouted "Steeeeeeed"), Tainio and Chimbonda, all doing passable imitations of professional footballers.

 

[General Levy]

Fucking knee jerks in force!

First game of the season away to Boro

Man Yoo never won their last season

Arsenal and Chelsea as well

Our whole midfield needs time to gel, plus we had Zokora playing RB and Donkey Dawson being a donkey.

Give it time.