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Nuno Espírito Santo appointed new Head Coach

trevo

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Very happy with this and had voted for him at the start. Now, if Kane does go to Citeh and we get Jesus as part of the deal, we just need to get god on board and we'll have the entire holy trinity behind us. Only Jose Mourinho would think this wold be a downgrade.
 

Shadydan

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I'm actually looking forward to see this Coach/DOF structure, if Nuno is able to coach the players we bring in into better players and plays some sort of positive football (not expecting Poch or Pep ball) but I do want to see progressive patterns of play, a discernable style, a team who is sum much more than their parts who don't rely on 1 or 2 players to score or create goals and a stronger mentality shown from our players then he's onto a winner as far as I'm concenred.
 

sly1

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Arguably, the match that signalled the decline of Pochettino's Spurs was the one where Wolves came back from 1-0 down to win 1-3 in the last 20 minutes (December 2018). It was not only a shock (we were cruising), it was atypical of how the team had played for the previous 3 seasons. It wasn't atypical of the performances that followed.

Wolves achieved that by counter-attacking, but there was nothing defensive about their performance. They pressed and harried in midfield, rather than sitting deep and soaking up pressure. They won the ball, created transitions and disrupted our game management.

We've just spent the past two weeks watching an England team built on a solid defence, after spending a year moaning (somewhat unjustifiably) about Spurs' "shit defence" (the 4th best in the league in terms of goals conceded). We didn't concede many goals. We just conceded them at inopportune times, in a way typical of teams with weak mentalities.

What do people want? You can't have a well-drilled and reliable defence and play cavalier, devil-may-care football. You can adjust the balance from Mourinho-ball by actually drilling some attacking routines, rather than leaving Kane, Son, Lamela et al. to improvise. You can reintroduce a selectively pressing game (which Nuno will do, based on his previous teams), to win the ball high and create rapid transitions.

But last season demonstrates that, unless there is a solid team spirit (something for which Nuno has a high reputation), even good quality defenders will make mental mistakes at crucial times and your team will blow leads - that's what ruined last season, not having a "shit defence".

It's been the usual collection of grossly simplistic stereotypes, for weeks, as the managerial debate has degenerated into bathos - and it's going the same way again, all over this thread. Nuno's teams do not play deep-lying negative football. They play carefully-drilled, organised football, with rapid transitions and a focus on unsettling the opposition and attacking when they have disrupted the opponents' shape.

We're not going to play like Leeds, scoring 3 and conceding 3. Is that bad?

Maybe someday Pochettino will return, as he plainly desires. He would have been my first choice. In the meantime, we have appointed an experienced and skilled manager who has never before had the opportunity to manage players of the calibre of those in the Spurs squad.

I have also often considered that game to be the beginning of the end for Pochettino. After several title challenges and near misses, this season felt like we were coming to the end of a cycle where the same group of players had put in a huge amount of effort without much (in terms of trophies at least) to show for it and were beginning to burn out. We needed to win that game to stay in touch with Liverpool at the top of the league, and it felt to me that this was our last chance to win a title with Poch. We could try again next year, but the same players would only be more fatigued.

The end of that season was truly disastrous in the league (with 3 wins and 7 losses from our last 12 fixtures), though forgotten somewhat due to the incredible champions league run. People put a lot of emphasis on losing the Champions League final when explaining our poor form in the next season, but it seems to me that the players were at the end of a cycle long before then.
 

Westmorlandspur

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I have also often considered that game to be the beginning of the end for Pochettino. After several title challenges and near misses, this season felt like we were coming to the end of a cycle where the same group of players had put in a huge amount of effort without much (in terms of trophies at least) to show for it and were beginning to burn out. We needed to win that game to stay in touch with Liverpool at the top of the league, and it felt to me that this was our last chance to win a title with Poch. We could try again next year, but the same players would only be more fatigued.

The end of that season was truly disastrous in the league (with 3 wins and 7 losses from our last 12 fixtures), though forgotten somewhat due to the incredible champions league run. People put a lot of emphasis on losing the Champions League final when explaining our poor form in the next season, but it seems to me that the players were at the end of a cycle long before then.
That season18-19, was obviously off the back of the World Cup when we had 9 players playing on the final weekend. They had 3 weeks off, a weeks training and straight back into it. Poch played full strength from the start.
After 19 games we had 45 points , title winning form in most seasons. Our form then fell off a cliff and we ended up with 70 points, 25 from the second half of the season.
In Feb we were still up there and if we had won away at Burnley would have gone top of the league.
You could say that the World Cup played a big part in that collapse.
God knows what players are going to be like next season after two seasons virtually back to back.
 

Shadydan

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That season18-19, was obviously off the back of the World Cup when we had 9 players playing on the final weekend. They had 3 weeks off, a weeks training and straight back into it. Poch played full strength from the start.
After 19 games we had 45 points , title winning form in most seasons. Our form then fell off a cliff and we ended up with 70 points, 25 from the second half of the season.
In Feb we were still up there and if we had won away at Burnley would have gone top of the league.
You could say that the World Cup played a big part in that collapse.
God knows what players are going to be like next season after two seasons virtually back to back.

Well we didn't buy anyone that summer either.
 

Jules77

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one reason is Harry Kane always seems to get injured before big matches? I know lots of teams ger injuries but we seem to get more than our fair share.
Couple seasons back we had a terrible injury plagued season. I feel time for restructing through the whole backroom staff. This is only my opinion and respect your opinion to mate.
Kane's injuries do tend to be (or just plain are) rolling those ankles usually under a challenge, not muscle injures or something else due to poor conditioning or preparation. Ankles can be strengthened, but i'd imagine it would take a seriously delinquent medical department if they weren't trying to strengthen them... Reality is they're weakened and loose after that first time.

Also, they do tend to get him back pretty (too?) quickly each time. We always credit the player as though some 'warriors' have the ability to heal quicker if they really want to. But in realit , it's prob the good work of the medical staff.
 

Japhet

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Arguably, the match that signalled the decline of Pochettino's Spurs was the one where Wolves came back from 1-0 down to win 1-3 in the last 20 minutes (December 2018). It was not only a shock (we were cruising), it was atypical of how the team had played for the previous 3 seasons. It wasn't atypical of the performances that followed.

Wolves achieved that by counter-attacking, but there was nothing defensive about their performance. They pressed and harried in midfield, rather than sitting deep and soaking up pressure. They won the ball, created transitions and disrupted our game management.

We've just spent the past two weeks watching an England team built on a solid defence, after spending a year moaning (somewhat unjustifiably) about Spurs' "shit defence" (the 4th best in the league in terms of goals conceded). We didn't concede many goals. We just conceded them at inopportune times, in a way typical of teams with weak mentalities.

What do people want? You can't have a well-drilled and reliable defence and play cavalier, devil-may-care football. You can adjust the balance from Mourinho-ball by actually drilling some attacking routines, rather than leaving Kane, Son, Lamela et al. to improvise. You can reintroduce a selectively pressing game (which Nuno will do, based on his previous teams), to win the ball high and create rapid transitions.

But last season demonstrates that, unless there is a solid team spirit (something for which Nuno has a high reputation), even good quality defenders will make mental mistakes at crucial times and your team will blow leads - that's what ruined last season, not having a "shit defence".

It's been the usual collection of grossly simplistic stereotypes, for weeks, as the managerial debate has degenerated into bathos - and it's going the same way again, all over this thread. Nuno's teams do not play deep-lying negative football. They play carefully-drilled, organised football, with rapid transitions and a focus on unsettling the opposition and attacking when they have disrupted the opponents' shape.

We're not going to play like Leeds, scoring 3 and conceding 3. Is that bad?

Maybe someday Pochettino will return, as he plainly desires. He would have been my first choice. In the meantime, we have appointed an experienced and skilled manager who has never before had the opportunity to manage players of the calibre of those in the Spurs squad.


For me it was the Burnley game when Mike Dean reffed and made some comment to Poch afterwards about it being the end of our season. Poch reacted badly (unsurprisingly) and I think it all went downhill a bit sharpish thereafter.
 

CantSmileWithoutYou

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Arguably, the match that signalled the decline of Pochettino's Spurs was the one where Wolves came back from 1-0 down to win 1-3 in the last 20 minutes (December 2018). It was not only a shock (we were cruising), it was atypical of how the team had played for the previous 3 seasons. It wasn't atypical of the performances that followed.

Wolves achieved that by counter-attacking, but there was nothing defensive about their performance. They pressed and harried in midfield, rather than sitting deep and soaking up pressure. They won the ball, created transitions and disrupted our game management.

We've just spent the past two weeks watching an England team built on a solid defence, after spending a year moaning (somewhat unjustifiably) about Spurs' "shit defence" (the 4th best in the league in terms of goals conceded). We didn't concede many goals. We just conceded them at inopportune times, in a way typical of teams with weak mentalities.

What do people want? You can't have a well-drilled and reliable defence and play cavalier, devil-may-care football. You can adjust the balance from Mourinho-ball by actually drilling some attacking routines, rather than leaving Kane, Son, Lamela et al. to improvise. You can reintroduce a selectively pressing game (which Nuno will do, based on his previous teams), to win the ball high and create rapid transitions.

But last season demonstrates that, unless there is a solid team spirit (something for which Nuno has a high reputation), even good quality defenders will make mental mistakes at crucial times and your team will blow leads - that's what ruined last season, not having a "shit defence".

It's been the usual collection of grossly simplistic stereotypes, for weeks, as the managerial debate has degenerated into bathos - and it's going the same way again, all over this thread. Nuno's teams do not play deep-lying negative football. They play carefully-drilled, organised football, with rapid transitions and a focus on unsettling the opposition and attacking when they have disrupted the opponents' shape.

We're not going to play like Leeds, scoring 3 and conceding 3. Is that bad?

Maybe someday Pochettino will return, as he plainly desires. He would have been my first choice. In the meantime, we have appointed an experienced and skilled manager who has never before had the opportunity to manage players of the calibre of those in the Spurs squad.
An opinion I absolutely agree with the Wolves game being the turning point, I have always thought that as the pivotal moment. Another perfect, well balanced summary. Fantastic post. Thank you.
 

MassadaTom

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hope that all Catholics will forgive me:
In nomine Paratici at Levy at Espirito Santo , Amen

ps:
to celebrated 4k and total addiction donated tener
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Finding it difficult to have any optimism after reading the Wolves fans descriptions of his turgid playing style.
 

shelfboy68

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And let's be brutally honest, his ambitions are bigger than the clubs!

Deflating in a word.

Nice guy and I obviously hope he does well but really We have simply employed a Yes man that will serve Levy and Mendes.
I think we need to remove the word ambition from around these parts as it doesn't seem to go for to well.
 
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