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'On encountering racism at White Hart Lane'

guiltyparty

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Sep 21, 2005
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Friend of mine wrote this blog on last night. Sounds lovely

http://joeminihane.com/2013/04/05/on-encountering-racism-at-white-hart-lane/

I’ve been going to White Hart Lane regularly ever since I’ve been able to afford it. These days that stretches to roughly a match every month, always with my Dad. League games, cup games, European games. I generally always sit in the Park Lane end, the bit behind the goal that can be politely described as ‘vibrant’.

Normally, this vibrancy stretches to a few blokes swearing every other word and occasionally the odd supporter clearly off their face on cocaine mouthing off about the opposition, usually to themselves. But last night, during the Europa League game against Basel, I encountered racism at White Hart Lane for the first time.

With the game winding to a close, the feeling of agitation at an average performance was all around. Most of the vitriol was being directed at Emmanuel Adebayor and William Gallas, both of whom had had poor games. Some bemoaned their average play. Others felt the the need to point out their past as Arsenal players.

One such person was the guy sitting directly behind me. With Gareth Bale receiving treatment, he launched into a lengthy tirade to the man next to him about both players, culminating with the line, “…it’s about time we got rid of those black Arsenal c**ts.”

At this point, I turned to face him and said I didn’t care for him using racist language. Rather than apologise, I was told to, “Mind my own facking business”, before being reminded that he wasn’t talking to me in the first place.

This is the first time I’ve ever been party to racism at White Hart Lane. I decided to walk out, telling the nearest steward the guy’s seat name while he stood and loudly denounced me as a ‘mug’. I got pretty wound up and started shouting to anyone who’d listen that there was a racist in our midst. Perhaps I should have stayed calm, but I find it hard unbelievable that people think it’s acceptable to focus on a person’s skin colour and take that as some kind of weakness. It’s disgusting.

I didn’t wait to see if the steward approached the guy and I doubt I’ll ever find out. I’ve tweeted the club three times about the incident and sent them an email, but imagine they’ll be powerless to do anything. That upsets me more than anything – that people can still get away with this crap.

At a time when racism in the game feels inescapable, I left White Hart Lane last night inconsolable. I don’t want to share my beloved Tottenham with this guy or any other racist for that matter. They have no place in civilised society.
 

MattyP

Advises to have a beer & sleep with prostitutes
May 14, 2007
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The club make a big thing about fans shopping other fans behaviour (check on the website, there is a special number you can text).

If they do nothing, you'll know they're not taking it seriously.
 

Dundalk_Spur

The only Spur in the village
Jul 17, 2008
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We know it happens at every club, but it is refreshing to see our fans standing up to these people even when if is our own fans.
 

Flightrisker

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Jan 15, 2006
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Good stuff. It's very difficult to stand up to these kinds of idiots, and its that silence that racism/homophobia/sexism etc thrives on. So good on your mate.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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I don't think it's a question of not taking it seriously....it'll come down to your mates word against the racists,unless someone else in the vicinity complains.
The CCTV at the lane is outdated and limited,so I very much doubt that they had a camera zoomed in close enough for lip reading on the racist.
The club must be seen to be making a stand....especially when we suffer racist abuse as a club quite regularly.....but in reality ,proving racism is a very hard thing to do.unless the racist is an ST holder,who regularly says racist comments,I very much doubt the club can do anything.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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Friend of mine wrote this blog on last night. Sounds lovely

http://joeminihane.com/2013/04/05/on-encountering-racism-at-white-hart-lane/

I’ve been going to White Hart Lane regularly ever since I’ve been able to afford it. These days that stretches to roughly a match every month, always with my Dad. League games, cup games, European games. I generally always sit in the Park Lane end, the bit behind the goal that can be politely described as ‘vibrant’.

Normally, this vibrancy stretches to a few blokes swearing every other word and occasionally the odd supporter clearly off their face on cocaine mouthing off about the opposition, usually to themselves. But last night, during the Europa League game against Basel, I encountered racism at White Hart Lane for the first time.

With the game winding to a close, the feeling of agitation at an average performance was all around. Most of the vitriol was being directed at Emmanuel Adebayor and William Gallas, both of whom had had poor games. Some bemoaned their average play. Others felt the the need to point out their past as Arsenal players.

One such person was the guy sitting directly behind me. With Gareth Bale receiving treatment, he launched into a lengthy tirade to the man next to him about both players, culminating with the line, “…it’s about time we got rid of those black Arsenal c**ts.”

At this point, I turned to face him and said I didn’t care for him using racist language. Rather than apologise, I was told to, “Mind my own facking business”, before being reminded that he wasn’t talking to me in the first place.

This is the first time I’ve ever been party to racism at White Hart Lane. I decided to walk out, telling the nearest steward the guy’s seat name while he stood and loudly denounced me as a ‘mug’. I got pretty wound up and started shouting to anyone who’d listen that there was a racist in our midst. Perhaps I should have stayed calm, but I find it hard unbelievable that people think it’s acceptable to focus on a person’s skin colour and take that as some kind of weakness. It’s disgusting.

I didn’t wait to see if the steward approached the guy and I doubt I’ll ever find out. I’ve tweeted the club three times about the incident and sent them an email, but imagine they’ll be powerless to do anything. That upsets me more than anything – that people can still get away with this crap.

At a time when racism in the game feels inescapable, I left White Hart Lane last night inconsolable. I don’t want to share my beloved Tottenham with this guy or any other racist for that matter. They have no place in civilised society.

Mate like yourself I can't stand racism really...if the bloke wanted to be hating on Adebayor and Gallas for their past allegiance to Arsenal fine or their lack of a performance then fine but because their black that is a human disgrace.

Alot of people just pay a blind eye make out they never heard bla bla bla well done so saying something I personally would have stood with you.
 

jomin

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Apr 5, 2013
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Cheers for the comments guys. As has been said, I don't expect much to come of this. The club has emailed to say it's going to reply soon, but can't see them finding the guy or even punishing him much if they do. Still, think this needs to be out there. I love the cliub and can't believe people think it's ok to talk like this.
 

Flightrisker

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Jan 15, 2006
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I'm just so glad no one has said anything along the lines of "But if he was calling Parker a white bastard would that be racist?". Good work team.
 

jomin

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Apr 5, 2013
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Club have emailed to say they're 'dealing with it' on Sunday after identifying the guy. Fortunately I'm sitting elsewhere.
 

sunnydelight786

Chief Rocka
Jan 7, 2007
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Block 32 last night was full of this sort. The tool standing next to me at one point, when Ade miscontolled a over hit pass fizzed at him, burst into a tirade of abuse at Ade culminating with him saying "I wish it was you who had got shot in that coach"

We are quick to accuse CFC and WHUFC fans of this sort of behaviour yet have our fair share of mongs amongst our support :mad:
 

mpickard2087

Patient Zero
Jun 13, 2008
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Not good at all, a real shame. We had a mention of similar at the Swansea game. Does seem to be slowly creeping back into the game. Some people are just ****s.
 

jomin

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Apr 5, 2013
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It's crazy. The few times I've sat in Paxton, I always complain about it being quiet and lacking atmosphere. But think I'm going to start sitting up that end just to stay away from these morons. At least that way I can watch the game without listening to this nonsense.
 

dimiSpur

There's always next year...
Aug 9, 2008
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It's a lot different when its one idiot in the Park Lane to the whole stand doing monkey chants for example. Statistically in any place you are likely to have a person of racist tendancies in your midst. In a 36000 seater its inevitable someone will be racist. I'm not saying its ok, I'm saying its unfair to label us as fans "agnostic to racism". Some people were booing Gallas last night during the first half in the Paxton Upper and I told them all to shut the fuck up. There was no racism, just booing. But it shows the level of anger that was running through the spectators' veins last night. Not because they were so desperate to win the EL, but probably because we are seeing our side slump into a mediocre run of form at the worst time imagineable.

Like I said, I'm not condoning his behaviour, but its unfair to suggest we are a racist ground now that one **** has been stupid. In terms of a terrace, we probably have the most multi-cultural support out of all London clubs I think. People aren't stupid. They know when someone's racist just by the look they receive. I'm Greek Cypriot and I've encountered people looking at me funny if I happen to be talking Greek in places around London. That's not happened within the stadium.

So lets agree that this bloke is a **** and not make out we need the racist police in our ground now because we have the BNP for fans.
 

Spurger King

can't smile without glue
Jul 22, 2008
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It's a serious issue and it's good to make a stand if you encounter it, but if I heard someone saying "there is a racist in our midst" I'd probably think they were taking the pisdst.
 

cwhite02

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Sep 28, 2004
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It's always a shame when the minority ruin things or tarnish the majority. I sit in block 33 and I can say I've not heard any racist behaviour. It's usually the same people who I sit with.
 

mattylad77

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Aug 1, 2007
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It's crazy. The few times I've sat in Paxton, I always complain about it being quiet and lacking atmosphere. But think I'm going to start sitting up that end just to stay away from these morons. At least that way I can watch the game without listening to this nonsense.

Exactly why I sit there now. Ok, it's a bit quiet, but it's better than hearing 'facking caaant' every 5 seconds.
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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Aug 5, 2008
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Been coming over from NIreland for 2/3 games a year since 98 and I can't remember it being so bad in terms of atmosphere. As we've got better in the last 6/7 years the atmosphere has become so stale and I've encountered so many 'fans' just hurling abuse and insults at our players. I used to come away from WHL without a voice, now for some games we're lucky to have one or 2 chants, partiularly in those games we are expected to win.

Can only imagine the new stadium will have an even more negative impact on atmosphere and increase 'fan' abuse.
 

dimiSpur

There's always next year...
Aug 9, 2008
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Why are people saying "they ruin things"? If one idiot shouts something stupid it's hardly something to cry about for years to come.

Yes the Shelf can be questionable in its language, but you can be damned sure any atmosphere in the ground is generated by that corner. I'd rather have a stadium full of people saying **** and singing loudly for Spurs than a stadium full of prawn sandwich types that will turn to the person next to them and suggest Dawson should play right back (I've actually heard someone say that in the Paxton).

Racism is completely unacceptable. One idiot shouting something stupid once, for whatever reason, be it he was so irate with our team's performance that he could only think of something so vile to hurt the players back, or be it because he is actually racist and pops over to John Terry's for a beer after the match, should not mean the section of fans that are rowdy and responsible for what sometimes still is a good atmosphere in the ground are all retarded idiots that spout racism.

One fuckwit shouting something stupid should not cause someone to run away crying and shouting RACIST THERE HELP! Grow a pair for fucks sake, tell him to shut up and if he says mind your own business tell him to fuck off. Therefore by similar theoretical analysis, since one racist fan makes the Park Lane a racist part of the ground then one bloke standing up to it will make the Park Lane the frontline of anti-racism tackling.
 
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