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DodgyLasagne

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Nailed on best players at these positions:
GK - Lloris, RCB/CB - Romero, Dier, LWB - Perisic, CM - Bissouma, then of course Kane, Son, Kulusevski

then, against the top sides and dangerous attacks I’ll put the other 3 positions as:
LCB - Davies
RWB - Emerson
CM - Hojbjerg

against PL sides who are less threatening and need breaking down, or when we need a goal:

LCB - Lenglet (hopefully)
RWB - Doherty
CM - Bentancur
 

spids

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I cant see how you can miss Bissouma i think he could be huge for us in for Hojberg please.

Right back not sure yet that a side i think you have nailed it.
Manly as right now I think Højbjerg and bentancur are a more effective pair (they really have built a very effective partnership). I also think that in two months Bissouma, having learnt the press and passing patterns, will force his way in.
 

Roberts84

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Romero Dier Lenglet
Doherty Bentancur Bissouma Perisic
Kulusevski Kane Son
Lenglet is a better passer than Davies and our back 3 lacks ball progression. Hojbjerg will be first choice for Conte but Bentancur and Bissouma are more talented, very similar players though. Doherty is the best RWB we have and I don't quite understand what Conte doesn't like about him, he was excellent before his injury and outright stole Royal's place in the team. Richarlison has more speed than Kulu but I just can't look beyond Kulusevski's ability to constantly be involved on the ball.

Dier the weak link in this team, we should be fine with him there in this system but I really still see an under athletic below average passer.
Doherty certainly gives more of a goal threat from the WB position than Emerson. Also not sure Dier is the weak link, he’s certainly a leader and had a very good season last year. I haven’t seen enough of Lenglet to play him over Davies.
 

HNIM

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What it is now, and what it will be in October, and what it will be in February, are likely all different things.
 

Johno1470

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I don’t see a starting 11. Looking at our squad, I feel that we have a core 16 that will be playing each week (in two games) providing we don’t have any major injuries.

GK Hugo
RWB Spence/Emerson
RCB Romero
CCB Dier
LCB Davies/Lenglet
LWB Sessegnon/Perisic
CM Bissouma PEH Bentancur
Attack Kane Son Deki Richie

The following will be used in certain games (cups, due to injuries)
Skipp, Sanchez, Doherty, Skipp, Forster & Moura.

There are plenty of games and I am sure Conte will want to go into the winter break being only a few points off of the top 1/2.
 

journeyman

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For me:
————————Lloris
———Romero—Dier—Davies
Doherty—Bissouma—Hojbjerg—Perisic
———Kulusevski—Kane—Son

But as OP says, will be interesting to see how we feel by November (September even!)
 

deka_spur

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I don’t see a starting 11. Looking at our squad, I feel that we have a core 16 that will be playing each week (in two games) providing we don’t have any major injuries.

GK Hugo
RWB Spence/Emerson
RCB Romero
CCB Dier
LCB Davies/Lenglet
LWB Sessegnon/Perisic
CM Bissouma PEH Bentancur
Attack Kane Son Deki Richie

The following will be used in certain games (cups, due to injuries)
Skipp, Sanchez, Doherty, Skipp, Forster & Moura.

There are plenty of games and I am sure Conte will want to go into the winter break being only a few points off of the top 1/2.

Looking forward to seeing Skipp's brother.

Apart from that I think your pretty much spot on... Although I think we will see Moura instead of spence initially. Skipp will play a lot (Oliver that is)
I think Sanchez will be a regular site to give Romero a break. We desperately need someone to give Dier a break.
 

Phil_2.0

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Doherty certainly gives more of a goal threat from the WB position than Emerson. Also not sure Dier is the weak link, he’s certainly a leader and had a very good season last year. I haven’t seen enough of Lenglet to play him over Davies.

Dier wouldn't get near the Man City or Liverpool squads. When Chels sign Kounde or Skrinar he wouldn't even make the bench for them. He's not better than Ben White or Gabriel.
 

Roberts84

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Dier wouldn't get near the Man City or Liverpool squads. When Chels sign Kounde or Skrinar he wouldn't even make the bench for them. He's not better than Ben White or Gabriel.
I thought Kounde was Barca bound. Have Chelsea made a bid for Skrinar? Dier is certainly better than White and Gabriel. I’m not sure why you are overly negative towards Spurs players all the time
 

Phil_2.0

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I thought Kounde was Barca bound. Have Chelsea made a bid for Skrinar? Dier is certainly better than White and Gabriel. I’m not sure why you are overly negative towards Spurs players all the time

Chelsea will buy one more defender for 50m.

He is not better than Ben White or Gabriel. White is a 50m defender and Gabriel is linked with teams like Juventus, you can't just idly believe because Dier is Spurs and they are Arsenal ours is better, objectively speaking Ben White and Gabriel are good defenders, Dier is just above average. Ben White and Gabriel can play in a 4, Dier absolutely cannot play in a 4 at a high level and the reason is that he isn't a good player, his weaknesses are hidden massively in Conte's system.

If someone tried to buy Dier what sort of team do you think he would go to for what price? He's not moving up the league that's for sure or going to a better team. If we sold Romero he's going to Real Madrid or Barcelona

Even if you think he's not better than the Arsenal defenders you surely must agree he wouldn't get near the Man City or Liverpool squads? and not in the Chelsea team. Those are the teams we are chasing with Conte

Negative towards Spurs players? Romero, Kane, Son, Bentacur, Kulusevski and Perisic could get in the Man City and Liverpool teams. Hojbjerg would get in a Klopp team and Guardiola loved PEH as a youngster. Players like Sessegnon, Richarlison, Bissouma would get into their squads and play lots of minutes. Lloris isn't as good Alisson or Ederson but he's a top 5 GK in the league.

Dier just isn't one of those players. He was bad for a long time in a back 4 and has fit into a back 3 that hides his weakness. Not every player has to be great for you to be a great team but Dier is the weak link and not of the level of the top teams in the league. Conte won the division with David Luiz, so it is possible to win with weak defenders in this system.
 

Hotspur33

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What is people’s obsession with this? We don’t have one, it will vary based on the opposition
I think we saw last season Conte doesn't stray too far from a base of 11. I know you're going to reply with "he didn't have many options from the bench"
Which is true, but it's not like he didn't have ANY options. I'd have liked to have seen more of Bergwijn and Rodon at times last season.
 

Roberts84

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Chelsea will buy one more defender for 50m.

He is not better than Ben White or Gabriel. White is a 50m
defender and Gabriel is linked with teams like Juventus, you can't just idly believe because Dier is Spurs and they are Arsenal ours is better, objectively speaking Ben White and Gabriel are good defenders, Dier is just above average. Ben White and Gabriel can play in a 4, Dier absolutely cannot play in a 4 at a high level and the reason is that he isn't a good player, his weaknesses are hidden massively in Conte's system.

If someone tried to buy Dier what sort of team do you think he would go to for what price? He's not moving up the league that's for sure or going to a better team. If we sold Romero he's going to Real Madrid or Barcelona

Even if you think he's not better than the Arsenal defenders you surely must agree he wouldn't get near the Man City or Liverpool squads? and not in the Chelsea team. Those are the teams we are chasing with Conte

Negative towards Spurs players? Romero, Kane, Son, Bentacur, Kulusevski and Perisic could get in the Man City and Liverpool teams. Hojbjerg would get in a Klopp team and Guardiola loved PEH as a youngster. Players like Sessegnon, Richarlison, Bissouma would get into their squads and play lots of minutes. Lloris isn't as good Alisson or Ederson but he's a top 5 GK in the league.

Dier just isn't one of those players. He was bad for a long time in a back 4 and has fit into a back 3 that hides his weakness. Not every player has to be great for you to be a great team but Dier is the weak link and not of the level of the top teams in the league. Conte won the division with David Luiz, so it is possible to win with weak defenders in this system.
What a simplistic view - Chelsea will spend a £50m on a player automatically makes him better than others. Using that knowledge will the Chelsea defender be better than Romero as we will only be paying £42m once it goes through - or is Tungay better fit for spurs as he cost 3 times more than Bentancur?

the value of a player is how they fit into a system and how that system suits their strengths not that they cost more than another
 
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RJR1949

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I’m just looking forward to walking to the ground and being able to talk about the team that’s been picked and how they might play. The only issue last season before the team was announced was who might be injured.
 
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