Pacman vs Jmm 3
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Pacman should of lost against the 37 year old Marquez.
It's a disgrace, the Judges are obviously in Arums pocket.
Mayweather was right he doesn't need Pacquaio.
It's a disgrace, the Judges are obviously in Arums pocket.
Mayweather was right he doesn't need Pacquaio.
Styles make fights. I have always maintained that Floyd would beat Manny but that does not mean he doesn't need him. He 100% needs him, especially if he wants to continue with the absolute myth that he is the best ever ( he isn't even the best of the last 10-15 years...Sweet Pea would have beat him, and a prime Mosley would have been a nightmare for Floyd and a young Oscar based on how close the old Oscar run him )
Seeing how much he struggled with JMM last night I fully expect Floyd to try and make this fight happen now.
Manny has looked ever so slightly passive in his last two. Maybe the friendship with Mosley and the realisation that JMM seems to have his number somewhat are the reason but maybe, just maybe his desire is wilting? If so, then he is starting to become a prime Floyd opponent!
Go to any small hall show and you will see at least one poor decision in favour of the home fighter/ticket seller. Been going on for the best part of 100 years.
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It's still rotten, regardless of the level. When there's this much at stake, it gets amplified.
Arum wants the Manny/Mayweather fight to go ahead, and Floyd must have been rubbing his hands together after watching this. He'll destroy Pacquiao on that performance.
I was on the fence before this, but after watching Manny struggle for form against Mosley and now Marquez, I'm convinced that Floyd will beat him. If it's a fair fight and outside influences don't get in the way of course.
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The scorecards, judge for yourself
http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/see-official-scorecards-pacquiao-v-marquez
http://news.boxrec.com/news/2011/see-official-scorecards-pacquiao-v-marquez
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In terms of legacy no matter what Floyd does some one will find a way of damning him.
If he beats Pacman then people will come out with excuses just like you are ( Mosley/Oscar )
Give the man credit, when he fought Oscar De La Hoya everything was against him. I can't be asked to explain this again.
Mosley was the one who called out Floyd. Floyd responded.
What makes me laugh is people like Jim Lampley and Steward talking about Marquez's counter punch style with Mannys aggressive style will all ways make for this type of fight to go the distance.
Imagine what the best counter-puncher / accurate puncher in the game will do to Manny.
Pacman threw around 500 punches and only landed 138.
That's pathetic.
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I've been posting on this forum for a while now that should Mayweather and Pacman fight, Money will knock him out.
It simply won't go the distance.
Style makes fights and Manny is made for Mayweather.
One day I hope that people will start to recognize boxing as an art form and not just hype.
Pacquaio is just Jermaine Taylor all over again a HBO hype fighter.
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I dont know if i can agree with you saying pernell wouldve beaten floyd, they wouldve been VERY close fights, and very competitive at floyds most impressive weight (lightweight) . . In the oscar fight, floyd gave into every demand, came upto 154lb and took the belt and thoroughly outclassed Oscar. And was nearly 20lbs lighter than oscar on the night . . . . And for your information, Floyd called out a prime Shane Mosely in 05/06 iirc, shane ducked out, telling Larry merchant he had a toothache in a post fight interview . . :-|
Floyd is quite clearly the best of the last decade, boxing heads will pretty much tell you this. Manny has been nothing but a pumped up hype job to an extent. Ive maintained that since his move up in weights, every fight he has had, has been cherry picked and hugely in his favour. To the average/casual fan he might seem like superman , but if you look at his oppenents and the situation you can see how he is being protected. He never seems to fight anyone in form, they all seem to have lost or performed very poorly in their previous fights (and commonly are floyds leftovers . .). JMM just exposed how poor and one dimensional manny is. Floyd will KO him (infact that will be the only way floyd can win, even if he win every round, Arum will have the judges paid off as we saw last night), it was quite telling how Arum and Manny dodged the questions in the post fight interview.
BTW Bob Arum closed the Post fight press conference after 3 questions. What a joke:rofl:
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This. Floyd will never get the respect he deserves. Also its funny that when Floyd fought Marquez all the announcers said was that Marquez was in such a disadvantage because he gained weight, at 36 he was too old and shot/past it. Tonight all we hear is that Manny is just so fast. Its the same whenever manny fights floyds leftovers. When floyd beats them they are old, shot and past it. But when manny beats them, they are huge contenders, and in the form of their lives etc.
Even amir khan in commentary conceded that Marquez won that, and called out JMM saying he wants to fight him for the WW title next.
BTW Quite a few online bookies (sporting bet +) are refunding bets on Marquez because of the bs decision
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How on earth did Ledderman score Manny the 6th round? 2nd,5th,6th and 7th round clearly went to Marquez in my opinion.
1st round shouldn't of been awarded to any one.
As no one hit each other.
Yet it goes to Pacquaio.
12th round was even more of a farce.
Talking about Amir he has recently come out stated he considers Floyd to be the best pound for pound.
Which I do respect him for saying that given his relationship with the Wildcard gym and Manny himself.
There is an incredible amount of spin generated for Manny Pacquaio which to the casual boxing fan makes him looks amazing.
Any one who follows the sport, understands it, and respects it.
Knows he is a hype job.
As I said, I would have backed Floyd to beat Manny at any point. Never in doubt as far as I'm concerned.
It's pretty scary that any of you think Floyd OUTCLASSED Oscar when they fought! That's laughable. You could barely split them. From memory I had Floyd a round up. I will have to watch it again.
I'm not a Floyd hater, far from it. I'm a fan. Just needs a bit of perspective.
Tell me, did either of you two watch the first Castillo fight? I also have that on DVD, seen it about 10 times I reckon...Floyd has yet to win. He did what all top champions did though and rematched him straight away and set the record straight. Still, he lost that first one.
Sweet Pea would have beat him, no doubt at all. If you want to go further back I could name a few more too. Not that this detracts from his legacy. Great fighter and a superb talent. Just nothing like the best ever like he and his fanboys insist.
It's pretty scary that any of you think Floyd OUTCLASSED Oscar when they fought! That's laughable. You could barely split them. From memory I had Floyd a round up. I will have to watch it again.
I'm not a Floyd hater, far from it. I'm a fan. Just needs a bit of perspective.
Tell me, did either of you two watch the first Castillo fight? I also have that on DVD, seen it about 10 times I reckon...Floyd has yet to win. He did what all top champions did though and rematched him straight away and set the record straight. Still, he lost that first one.
Sweet Pea would have beat him, no doubt at all. If you want to go further back I could name a few more too. Not that this detracts from his legacy. Great fighter and a superb talent. Just nothing like the best ever like he and his fanboys insist.
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Yes, Floyd outclassed Oscar. I had floyd up 2 rounds. Maybe you were blinded by the combinations which Oscar was throwing, but very few of shots were landing on anything other than shoulders, elbows and gloves. Floyd was potshotting his way to victory. If oscar maintained the jab it wouldve been a toss up. And i had floyd winning that first castillo fight, from memory floyd was in trouble in only the 7th round (?) where he was hurt, but was countering Castillo all night. plus castillo shouldve been deducted a point for a low blow and a straight right on the break.
Before the KO, id be interested to know what you scored the Floyd v Ortiz fight?
Im not saying Floyd is the best of all time (who has said that?) He is definately an alltime great though, and BY FAR the greatest of the last decade plus. The casual boxing fans will say Pac is the greatest etc, but put him against any of the all time greats and he loses convincingly. Floyd wouldve been competitive in any generation purely because of his style. He hardly gets hit in his fights. He would not have been undefeated if he was around in the 80's, but he definately wouldve been up there in the classics with the other 4 greats. Pac has been beaten 2 times definitively, by the same guy who floyd thoroughly demolished for 12 rounds. (though after that fight critics were saying JMM was too old/slow and past it. . .Fast forward 2 years and JMM beats Pac only to get screwed by vegas/bob arum).
And prime v prime pernell/Floyd is a toss up, maybe pernell is possibly slightly quicker, but theres nothing in it. Floyd has the power over pernell, i think floyd has a slightly better defense style - but again its all opinions. I would favour floyd over 135lbs
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Heres what boxers are saying about the fight:
after 8 rounds i had it 6-2 or 7-1 to JMM, he let up a little in the final few rounds but he controlled and dictated the fight. I had it at 8-4 at the least to marquez. From what im reading/hearing, the american media have painted it that Pac clearly won. This is the problem with having guys who have never fought in the ring doing commentry/punditry - all these morons want to see is guys getting killed in the ring with no appreciation for the science (something which Floyd has repeatedly said . . ). Every single past/present boxer has said JMM clearly won the fight, including Khan (pacs training/sparring partner).This hype job is going to be fed a few more bums so bob Arum can make some more $ off him, then he will agree to fight floyd.
