Pacman vs Jmm 3

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I'm not a Mayweather fan, I dislike the man but you have to respect him as a boxer. That is exactly what he is, a true boxer. I don't think Manny will get close to him to be honest. He'll probably throw 6 or 7 hundred punches but I don't see him landing too many.

Of course Manny has had fights which make him look good. If you throw that many punches against guys who aren't moving either their head or their feet then you are going to do some serious damage. But JMM showed that you can counter pretty effectively against that and whilst Manny might catch you with a good shot if you hang in there he is outboxable. JMM won that fight comfortably and Mayweather is another step up on that.

As far as Mayweathers legacy goes, I remember the De La Hoya fight looking tight but generally Mayweather controlled it. What Hans said is true most of De Le Hoya's punches weren't connecting with much more than shoulders and gloves. Checking he landed 122 of 587.

I don't know how he would have faired against Whitaker, although it'd almost certainly go the distance.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

I'm not sure the Mayweather v Pacquiao will happen though. Definitely looks like Roach is leaning towards Marquez again. I think that Marquez should definitely get a 4th fight but it does feel like this is the Pacquiao team choosing that rather than having to face Mayweather.

 

[$hoguN]

I've just watched the first 8 rounds of this fight and have it 76 - 76 so far, i'll update this post at the end of the fight, but so far this has not looked like either fighter has controlled the fight

EDIT 1: 86 - 86 after round 9, very even round, would have been harsh to give it either of them. Marquez landed the bigger shots, how ever Manny work rate was excellent.

EDIT 2: 95 - 96 after round 10, Marquez's round. anded the better shots, matched Manny's work rate. The HBO commentators have an unbelievable bias towards Pacquaio, they had him 4 rounds up after 10 (Lederman must not know his belly button from his arsehole), WTF?

EDIT 3: 104 - 106 much of a muchness, another fairly even round, Manny landed more, Marquez took the centre of the ring and tried to boss it. Overall I think Marquez probably deserved the round for bossing it from the centre of the ring.

EDIT 4: 114 - 115 after round 12, I think Marquez has just shaded this. Idiots in his corner telling him he was winning made him just try and keep it tight this round handing it to Manny.

This fight could easily have gone either way though as rounds 1, 9 and 11 were very very even and could have been argued either way. I expect this is where the Pacquaio bias of american commentators/judges will have come in and the round all been given to Manny for the number of punches he threw and his aggression (always the way). Lederman gave it Manny by 4 which is just plainly wrong imo.

 

[hans]

I'm not sure the Mayweather v Pacquiao will happen though. Definitely looks like Roach is leaning towards Marquez again. I think that Marquez should definitely get a 4th fight but it does feel like this is the Pacquiao team choosing that rather than having to face Mayweather.

yeah its looking like they dont want to fight Floyd in May2012, Arum has said he wants another fight with JMM next May.:roll: I hope JMM doesnt take the fight because in my eyes he has won 2/3 of the fights, and will never ever be able to get a decision from a Pac fight and we know JMM isnt knocking anyone out. . . Theres a good chance we will not see a Pac/floyd fight now, Roach isnt an idiot, Manny will get humiliated and KO'd. The only hope would be if it goes the distance, because we know judges can be bought.

 

[$hoguN]

Mayweather doesn't have the power to knock Manny out, yes he may beat him convincingly over 12 rounds but he won't knock him out. It took him 2 cheap shots to knock out Ortiz ffs.

 

[hans]

Mayweather doesn't have the power to knock Manny out, yes he may beat him convincingly over 12 rounds but he won't knock him out. It took him 2 cheap shots to knock out Ortiz ffs.

Ortiz wouldve been knocked out in the later rounds imo, or he wouldve quit as before. Ortiz got knocked out by a short jab/hook and a straight right. didnt look too ferocious. . . Against manny i think he will knock him out. In the 3rd/4th round vs Ortiz floyd was putting together some serious combinations, he hasnt done that for a good long time. You best believe he is going to want to humiliate manny when they fight.

By the way Floyd is now saying he will fight in February . . . . :clap:
I doubt Pac will take the fight, i cant see an ortiz rematch.Too early for Khan, hes rejected Morales at 147. . . Hopefully he works something out with Martinez at 154 (anything under 150lb wouldnt be worth it).

 

[opensaysme]

Mayweather doesn't have the power to knock Manny out, yes he may beat him convincingly over 12 rounds but he won't knock him out. It took him 2 cheap shots to knock out Ortiz ffs.

Manny doesn't have the power to knock anyone out at welterweight.

Look at his last four fights. He's failed to knock out his opponents at that weight.

As for claiming it took two cheap shots to knock Ortiz.

If any one was cheap in the fight it was Ortiz.

May respected the rules of boxing.

Protect yourself at all times.

Ref signaled to box on. He did.

42-0.

Mayweather has the power, he just tends to pick off his opponents with a superb unmatchable boxing master class to appease HIS fans.

 

[opensaysme]

As I said, I would have backed Floyd to beat Manny at any point. Never in doubt as far as I'm concerned.
It's pretty scary that any of you think Floyd OUTCLASSED Oscar when they fought! That's laughable. You could barely split them. From memory I had Floyd a round up. I will have to watch it again.

I'm not a Floyd hater, far from it. I'm a fan. Just needs a bit of perspective.

Tell me, did either of you two watch the first Castillo fight? I also have that on DVD, seen it about 10 times I reckon...Floyd has yet to win. He did what all top champions did though and rematched him straight away and set the record straight. Still, he lost that first one.

Sweet Pea would have beat him, no doubt at all. If you want to go further back I could name a few more too. Not that this detracts from his legacy. Great fighter and a superb talent. Just nothing like the best ever like he and his fanboys insist.

Your opinion is void. You are talking about an impossibility.

As well as not taking into account the stringent changes in boxing since.

 

[opensaysme]

Ortiz wouldve been knocked out in the later rounds imo, or he wouldve quit as before. Ortiz got knocked out by a short jab/hook and a straight right. didnt look too ferocious. . . Against manny i think he will knock him out. In the 3rd/4th round vs Ortiz floyd was putting together some serious combinations, he hasnt done that for a good long time. You best believe he is going to want to humiliate manny when they fight.

By the way Floyd is now saying he will fight in February . . . . :clap:
I doubt Pac will take the fight, i cant see an ortiz rematch.Too early for Khan, hes rejected Morales at 147. . . Hopefully he works something out with Martinez at 154 (anything under 150lb wouldnt be worth it).[/quote]

This. Exactly the fight I've been wanting Mayweather to take on.
Never mind Pacquaio.
Martinez is a quality boxer no hype a much superior fighter to Manny.

He's also scheduled to fight on May 5th.

Keeping to his word that he wants to fight more often.

 

[opensaysme]

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content11193.html

 

[hans]

Ortiz wouldve been knocked out in the later rounds imo, or he wouldve quit as before. Ortiz got knocked out by a short jab/hook and a straight right. didnt look too ferocious. . . Against manny i think he will knock him out. In the 3rd/4th round vs Ortiz floyd was putting together some serious combinations, he hasnt done that for a good long time. You best believe he is going to want to humiliate manny when they fight.

By the way Floyd is now saying he will fight in February . . . . :clap:
I doubt Pac will take the fight, i cant see an ortiz rematch.Too early for Khan, hes rejected Morales at 147. . . Hopefully he works something out with Martinez at 154 (anything under 150lb wouldnt be worth it).[/quote]

This. Exactly the fight I've been wanting Mayweather to take on.
Never mind Pacquaio.
Martinez is a quality boxer no hype a much superior fighter to Manny.

He's also scheduled to fight on May 5th.

Keeping to his word that he wants to fight more often.

He said in a radio interview today hes pulled it forward to feb (no chance of a manny fight since arum/manny/ariza and roach said they want jmm again) http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6R04P680Z4pt1vY8

Maybe we will see him 3 times next year? It would be amazing if we could get:

Feb - floyd/sergio
July - floyd/Pac
Dec - floyd/Khan in the UK

Theres a chance he could go for the middleweight belt from JCC jr, even at 160 i honestly think floyd would beat him, dude is a fraud. Theres no way golden boy would cash out on canelo at this point, i guess Berto is still there but apparently he will fight ortiz in a rematch in jan 2012.

The rest of this year is looking amazing for boxing . . . a good fight every week

November 19
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Peter Manfredo
November 26
Saul Alvarez vs Kermit Cintron
Jorge Arce vs TBA

December 3
Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito II
Brandon Rios vs John Murray
Pawel Wolak vs Delvin Rodriguez II
Abner Mares vs Joseph Agbeko
Anselmo Moreno vs. Vic Darchinyan

December 10
Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson (HBO)

December 17
Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch





Cotto/margarotto 2 is going to be a classic.

 

[hans]

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/i...p-even-talk-fight?ex_cid=Twitter_espn_7235880

The latest round of negotiations for the potential megafight between welterweight champions Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr. are over before they have even begun.
Leonard Ellerbe, one of Mayweather's advisers, and Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer both told ESPN.com Monday that they were notified that Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank was not interested in coming to the table.

“ In my opinion, you have three cowards -- Bob Arum, (Pacquiao trainer) Freddie Roach and Manny Pacquiao.
” -- Leonard Ellerbe,
advisor to Floyd Mayweather Jr.​

"We have been informed that Bob Arum is not interested in pursuing a fight between Mayweather and Pacquiao at this time," Schaefer said.
Mayweather knocked out Victor Ortiz in his return to the ring after 16 months off in September, and Pacquiao eked out a controversial majority decision against rival Juan Manuel Marquez in their third meeting Saturday night at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas.


That set the table for the showdown that looms as the biggest money fight in boxing history, especially with Mayweather announcing two weeks ago that he planned to return May 5 at the MGM Grand and, according to Ellerbe, wanted to "make the biggest fight possible and everyone knows what that fight is, the little fella (Pacquiao)."


However, that does not appear to be the plan Arum and Pacquiao have, even if they had said they were open to it before the Marquez fight.
Schaefer said the notification came in an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, the mediator who has worked closely with the sides to settle numerous lawsuits and issues in recent years.


"I am sick and tired of Bob Arum twisting the truth. It's another case of 'yesterday I was lying, today I'm telling the truth,' " Schaefer said, invoking Arum's most famous quote. "The truth of the matter is that we received this afternoon an email from retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who has informed us that Top Rank is pursuing a rematch with Marquez and, therefore, is not interested in immediate talks for a possible Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. This is obviously as clear as it can be that they have no intentions of making a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight. Therefore, Floyd Mayweather will have no other choice than to move on and identify and lock in another opponent for his ring return on May 5."

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

Yeh, I simply don't see any way that Pacquiao will get in the ring with Mayweather. Martinez would be good and I could see Kahn wanting it even if it is way too early for him and he would be well beaten.

 

[opensaysme]

He said in a radio interview today hes pulled it forward to feb (no chance of a manny fight since arum/manny/ariza and roach said they want jmm again) http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh6R04P680Z4pt1vY8

Maybe we will see him 3 times next year? It would be amazing if we could get:

Feb - floyd/sergio
July - floyd/Pac
Dec - floyd/Khan in the UK

Theres a chance he could go for the middleweight belt from JCC jr, even at 160 i honestly think floyd would beat him, dude is a fraud. Theres no way golden boy would cash out on canelo at this point, i guess Berto is still there but apparently he will fight ortiz in a rematch in jan 2012.

The rest of this year is looking amazing for boxing . . . a good fight every week

November 19
Julio Cesar Chavez Jr vs Peter Manfredo
November 26
Saul Alvarez vs Kermit Cintron
Jorge Arce vs TBA

December 3
Miguel Cotto vs Antonio Margarito II
Brandon Rios vs John Murray
Pawel Wolak vs Delvin Rodriguez II
Abner Mares vs Joseph Agbeko
Anselmo Moreno vs. Vic Darchinyan

December 10
Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson (HBO)

December 17
Andre Ward vs. Carl Froch





Cotto/margarotto 2 is going to be a classic.

That was quick I swear It was only 4 days ago I read he was scheduled to fight May 5th.

As for

" Feb - floyd/sergio
July - floyd/Pac
Dec - floyd/Khan in the UK "

As you've stated I agree if those fights can happen it would be amazing.

I don't think Floyd would go up to 160.

Maybe at a catch weight to fight that paper champ chump JJC jr can happen in the future.

 

[ealingspur]

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7233943/did-manny-pacquiao-just-become-villain

 

[opensaysme]

He'll fight in Feb and then May 5th according to this article.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...s-to-fight-next-in-february-and-then-on-may-5
I personally believe he will fight Berto.

 

[dontcallme]

Just seen the fight. Absolute joke of a decision.

 

[$hoguN]

I think many of you over estimate the punch power of Mayweather if you think he would knock Pacquiao out. He has never been a puncher and would probably go out there with the game plan to win on points, possibly giving Pacquaio a boxing lesson.

 

[hans]

As I said, I would have backed Floyd to beat Manny at any point. Never in doubt as far as I'm concerned.
It's pretty scary that any of you think Floyd OUTCLASSED Oscar when they fought! That's laughable. You could barely split them. From memory I had Floyd a round up. I will have to watch it again.

It was textbook pretty much throughout the fight . . .

 

[opensaysme]

I think many of you over estimate the punch power of Mayweather if you think he would knock Pacquiao out. He has never been a puncher and would probably go out there with the game plan to win on points, possibly giving Pacquaio a boxing lesson.

It is you who underestimate the punching power of Floyd Mayweather.

Just because he usually goes to win on points does not mean he has no power in his punches.