Parker and Cahill watch

[brett.spurs]

If Walcott was playing for us and Lennon for Arsenal then you'd all be laughing at the suggestion that Lennon is better, I know Walcott plays for horrible old Arsenal but I'm not 10 anymore where I think Spurs have the bestest players ever. Lennon has frankly been rubbish for 18 months now and what was that crap about him playing well at a World Cup? He played two games and was never seen again for the rest of the tournament. Walcott has developed a lot over the last year or so and is deserving of being way ahead of Lennon now in the pecking order with England. He still has his braindead moments but so does Lennon - Old Trafford anyone?

Assists are the shittest stat in football.

Indeed they are, but people on here seem to think they're of significant importance so I included them.

 

[paino]

How are assists a pointless stat? It clearly shows how good a player is at reading the game and also signifies how unselfish they are in front of goal. When I used to play sunday league football, I used to almost get more satisfaction out of a assist then scoring a goal. Players with a lot of assists are team players.

 

[brett.spurs]

Because not every assist involes a winger beating 3 players before delivering a pinpoint ball onto a striker's head, they're very easily distorted. Just last week Ashley Young gets two assists for trapping the ball as Rooney struck home two freekicks. Crouch gets an assist for a 5 yard ball to Bale before he sets off on a 60 yard run away to Inter, both he and Nasri recorded one assist each for the entire premier league season last year yet Nasri had 3 in one game against us last week, it doesn't mean that neither of them are creative or have no final ball, it's just how it goes. Modric only had 2 or 3 last year but if you go back through all of our goals I bet a lot of them started with him, it's just a rubbish watery stat invented by Americans who think you can put football into numbers, when in reality there's just too many variables to do that.

 

[shaqTHFC]

How are assists a pointless stat? It clearly shows how good a player is at reading the game and also signifies how unselfish they are in front of goal. When I used to play sunday league football, I used to almost get more satisfaction out of a assist then scoring a goal. Players with a lot of assists are team players.

The point is that assists rely on the player who finishes the chance created. It will be easier to assist in a team like Utd last season because they have Rooney, Hernandez, and Berbatov as their strikers, yet harder to assist at Spurs as our frontmen were Defoe, Pav, and Crouch.

Having front men with movement also gives more opportunities to play a killer pass whereas static strikers like ours don't help at all.

 

[#1 Spur]

Because not every assist involes a winger beating 3 players before delivering a pinpoint ball onto a striker's head, they're very easily distorted. Just last week Ashley Young gets two assists for trapping the ball as Rooney struck home two freekicks. Crouch gets an assist for a 5 yard ball to Bale before he sets off on a 60 yard run away to Inter, both he and Nasri recorded one assist each for the entire premier league season last year yet Nasri had 3 in one game against us last week, it doesn't mean that neither of them are creative or have no final ball, it's just how it goes. Modric only had 2 or 3 last year but if you go back through all of our goals I bet a lot of them started with him, it's just a rubbish watery stat invented by Americans who think you can put football into numbers, when in reality there's just too many variables to do that.

The point is that assists rely on the player who finishes the chance created. It will be easier to assist in a team like Utd last season because they have Rooney, Hernandez, and Berbatov as their strikers, yet harder to assist at Spurs as our frontmen were Defoe, Pav, and Crouch.

Having front men with movement also gives more opportunities to play a killer pass whereas static strikers like ours don't help at all.

Thank you both.

The most pointless stat in football.

I'm a keeper, run out my box the other day through two players, played a defence splitting ball from ten yards outside my box to one of my strikers, he passes it across goal and my other striker scores. Where's my assist? I just done all the hard work! I just done what every player on my team couldn't do for an hour!

 

[opensaysme]

Walcott is the better. I'd happily upgrade Lennon for some one like Matt Jarvis.

 

[SpurSince57]

Indeed they are, but people on here seem to think they're of significant importance so I included them.

Yes, because they suited your purpose. Would you have included them had they been favourable to Lennon? I doubt it.

Of course, the number of attempts created puts an entirely different complexion on matters; Lennon created a scoring chance every 37 minutes, Walcott one every 106 minutes. (By way of further comparison, Young created one every 45 minutes, but had ten assists.)

Walcott scores more, but only because he has more shots. Both had a conversion rate of around one in six.

But I thought this was a Parker and Cahill thread?

 

[double0]

Walcott is a better goal scorer and has better technique when placing goal scoring opps than Lennon but as for general play ie assists play defensive play Lennon is ahead-Lennon has to improve on his goals tally the rest of his game pretty good compared to other wingers.

With a better more intelligent main striker i'm pretty sure people will again appreciate what he brings to the team.

 

[ultimateloner]

I just can't understand nor accept how anyone could think Lennon's better than Walcott.

Walcott has just as much speed, is a better finisher has shown improvement over the last year. Lennon looks stale and doesn't pose a goal threat.

 

[beats1]

Walcott is a better goal scorer and has better technique when placing goal scoring opps than Lennon but as for general play ie assists play defensive play Lennon is ahead-Lennon has to improve on his goals tally the rest of his game pretty good compared to other wingers.

With a better more intelligent main striker i'm pretty sure people will again appreciate what he brings to the team.

Not this season
Against Man Utd
he played 53 mins and failed 2 attempts at a cross and one pass from a crossing position to the edge of the box, he completed no passes or crosses from the around the box, other than that he made no attempts to make a tackle or inception

Against man city
he played 53 mins and attempted 4 crosses in the match and one was completed to crouch in the 26 mini the rest hit clichy, he did make 3 passes in and around the box but missed with two passes unlike the other match he made 2 attempts at a tackle and completed one and one interception

Now you watch walcott, before as soon as he got pushed wide he wouldn't know what to do, this season for the first time he looks like a winger shame considering he wasn't half the player lennon was before his groin injury

 

[brett.spurs]

When was the last time Lennon actually went past a defender? Only time I can vividly recall is on his run against Milan, he used to leave defenders for dead now all he seems to do is square up against them, do his little shift down the line trick working a yard and attempting to cross. I'd love him to be tried out in more of a central role but the chances of that happening are slim.

 

[Pringle]

id love to see your dream line up brett. You want Lennon to play centrally and GDS to play as well. I know you are a big Niko fan as well - where do you want to play him?

 

[brett.spurs]

Lets not put words into my mouth. I've said Gio deserves a chance, not GIO MUST PLAY. I wouldn't say I'm a particularly big fan of Niko either, just that your preposterous "Give Everton £3m + Niko for the soon-to-be out of contract Pienaar" disaster moment got my back up.

 

[double0]

When was the last time Lennon actually went past a defender? Only time I can vividly recall is on his run against Milan, he used to leave defenders for dead now all he seems to do is square up against them, do his little shift down the line trick working a yard and attempting to cross. I'd love him to be tried out in more of a central role but the chances of that happening are slim.

How about the times he skinned Evra at Old Trafford? Lennon regularly beats the full back but IMO he has limited options, our strikers have be really poor IMO.

 

[Pringle]

Lets not put words into my mouth. I've said Gio deserves a chance, not GIO MUST PLAY. I wouldn't say I'm a particularly big fan of Niko either, just that your preposterous "Give Everton £3m + Niko for the soon-to-be out of contract Pienaar" disaster moment got my back up.

lol considering your first statement, the last seems a little ironic (that means i didnt say that :wink: )

Keep going with your ridiculous statements though pal. You ve made enough of them over the past few days so why stop now!

 

[brett.spurs]

Unfortunately I'm banned from the TR section so can't find the post.

 

[Pringle]

how convenient! Not suprised to hear you are banned though

 

[brett.spurs]

Well I don't blame you for trying to save face as it really was a farcical comment. I did find this though;

The likes of Bentley, Kranjcar, GDS, O Hara can all disapeer and leave room for this little gem in my opinion! Very versatile, good on the ball, can score goals and runs a game!

Really do not know what player you've been watching.

 

[Pringle]

Well I don't blame you for trying to save face as it really was a farcical comment. I did find this though;



Really do not know what player you've been watching.

Can you link to where ive said that?

Pienaar is a v good player - he clearly hasnt settled with us but he was excellent at Everton. There have been many players who have not settled in different teams for different reasons and injuries have clearly hampered his start.

ps - nothing is as farcical as you claiming Lennon should be played central, GDS DESERVES (based on what you still aint said) a chance to prove he is better than Lennon and Niko should play.......

oh and that Scott Parker was really poor for England last night (no1 agreed with you)........ infact Brett i think you should just give up mate cos you are just digging deeper. All i am reading these days is people mocking your posts for lack of knowledge and idiocy! Does make good reading though - you are like the class clown, no1 agrees with a word you say but its funny to watch

 

[brett.spurs]

Search for it yourself.

And yeah, it's hilariously farcical to suggest Niko should play :shrug: I haven't actually said that but not sure how that can be classed as such. Saying Gio deserves a shot while Lennon is offering us nothing isn't farcical either, all summer Harry was looking for a player in the same mould as Gio. My opinion is that Lennon's stint on the wing has gone stale, one of his best performances for Spurs was playing central away to Chelsea so it's hardly a ludicrous claim.

Lets be honest here Pringle, you've been following me around like a lost puppy ever since I showed you up over that Pienaar statement, I think it's about time you just accepted that you were wrong. I won't post in here again as I'll no doubt have the mods on my back.

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