Passing of a Yid

[Legend10]

why so harsh on Aaron Ramsey?

Because in this sorry arsed country more people are bothered about a little broken leg suffered by a some pampered prima donna than they are about the people mentioned in the OP.

 

[karennina]

Agree with the above sentiments but...

cue the usual: "They're not heroes to me, I didn't ask them to fight on my behalf." etc. from the usual suspects.

They're no more heroes to me than the Afghans they're fighting, I didn't ask them to kill tens of thousands of Afghan Civilians purely on behalf of corporate and elite interests.

So why do we mourn the hundreds of 'British' soldiers and not the thousands of 'Afghan' civilians? Bullshit.

 

[RickyVilla]

They're no more heroes to me than the Afghans they're fighting, I didn't ask them to kill tens of thousands of Afghan Civilians purely on behalf of corporate and elite interests.

So why do we mourn the hundreds of 'British' soldiers and not the thousands of 'Afghan' civilians? Bullshit.

lt is due to fact that we are more likely to have a family member or friend in the British Army so we empathise with them more. l don't know about you but l know no one in the Taliban.

 

[defoe18]

Rip

 

[Legend10]

They're no more heroes to me than the Afghans they're fighting, I didn't ask them to kill tens of thousands of Afghan Civilians purely on behalf of corporate and elite interests.

So why do we mourn the hundreds of 'British' soldiers and not the thousands of 'Afghan' civilians? Bullshit.

So british soldiers have killed tens of thousands of Afghan civilians, can you evidence this?

Sleep safely in your bed tonight.

 

[Raxscallion]

They're no more heroes to me than the Afghans they're fighting, I didn't ask them to kill tens of thousands of Afghan Civilians purely on behalf of corporate and elite interests.

So why do we mourn the hundreds of 'British' soldiers and not the thousands of 'Afghan' civilians? Bullshit.

Personally, I mourn both.

But I certainly don't condemn the individuals. Whilst I have a core belief that any killing is always wrong, I accept that other people feel that it can be justified, and that they truly believe that they're doing so (and risking themselves in the process) for what they perceive as a just, noble and honourable cause. I believe the vast majority of forces personnel signed up because they wanted to protect their own and other people's loved ones, not because they wanted to kill brown people.

I'll save my condemnation for the (safe, cosy) politicians that chose to send them to fight.

RIP Richard Green. You were 2 years younger than me. I hope you were old enough to remember 1991.

 

[ExpatFan]

They're no more heroes to me than the Afghans they're fighting, I didn't ask them to kill tens of thousands of Afghan Civilians purely on behalf of corporate and elite interests.

So why do we mourn the hundreds of 'British' soldiers and not the thousands of 'Afghan' civilians? Bullshit.

As I said, and I should have added "inevitably", "cue... the usual suspects." Congratulations Anna on being first out of the traps. This is not the thread but just to correct one thing: the Afghans they're fighting are the Taliban and if you really, honestly, consider the Taliban to be as equally "heroic", then perhaps you should learn at least a little something about their beliefs, attitude to women, and, oh yes, to sport (clue: they want all sport banned as it's considered "indulgent and frivolous").
Actually... forget it. I really can't be arsed with such, as you so eloquently put it, bullshit.

 

[JerryGarcia]

That's very sad and it's a shame that they were there in the first place. I'm not really anti war as such but I do think we should at least have a valid reason for sending these young men out to die. I just don't understand what they hope to achieve out there.

 

[jimtheyid]

RIP. A true hero, despite what some will have you believe.

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven

 

[karennina]

That's very sad and it's a shame that they were there in the first place. I'm not really anti war as such but I do think we should at least have a valid reason for sending these young men out to die. I just don't understand what they hope to achieve out there.

The people who sent them want control over the petrochemical resources of Central Asia (USA/UK/NATO/EU generally) and access to the USA's intelligence resources (UK specifically.)

Every person has an equal right to life but our imperialist culture and supporting media revere the UK casualties out of all proportion to the far higher number of Civilian deaths that occur because of their presence. This imbalance needs redressing as far as possible - impressions that British soldiers die in a heroic vacuum need counterweighting in our society. A thread with 20 posts, undeniably well intentioned, that has yet to mention the (higher) civilian, Afghan death toll is an appropriate place for this. None of this is to minimise the loss of that soldier's life.

What else but a lot of 'Bullshit' / Propaganda could so blind a society to the deaths it's soldiers cause?

"On 27 February, foreign soldiers killed three people, including two children, in Alasai district of Kapisa province. Mohammad Ashraf, a tribal elder of Kotki area of Alasai district, giving details of the incident, told AIP that last night at around 2200 local time, French soldiers descended from their helicopter in an area far from Waldikhel village of Kotki area.and and laid an ambush. When people of the area learned about the arrival of these forces, they started fleeing from their village when the French forces opened fire at them." The tribal elder added: "As a result of the firing, three people have been martyred, one of whom was nine-year-old Joma Gul, son of Gholam Rasul, another was 10-year-old Aghar Khan, son of Morad Mohammad, and the third one was Faqir Mohammad, a young man."

 

[tippspur59]

Rip

 

[SpurSince57]

The people who sent them want control over the petrochemical resources of Central Asia (USA/UK/NATO/EU generally) and access to the USA's intelligence resources (UK specifically.)

Every person has an equal right to life but the media coverage mentions the UK casualties out of all proportion to the far higher number of Civilian deaths that occur because of their presence. This imbalance needs redressing wherever possible, and the reflected impressions that British soldiers die in a heroic vacuum need counterweighting wherever they occur in our society. None of this is to minimise the loss of that soldier's life.

"On 27 February, foreign soldiers killed three people, including two children, in Alasai district of Kapisa province. Mohammad Ashraf, a tribal elder of Kotki area of Alasai district, giving details of the incident, told AIP that last night at around 2200 local time, French soldiers descended from their helicopter in an area far from Waldikhel village of Kotki area.and and laid an ambush. When people of the area learned about the arrival of these forces, they started fleeing from their village when the French forces opened fire at them." The tribal elder added: "As a result of the firing, three people have been martyred, one of whom was nine-year-old Joma Gul, son of Gholam Rasul, another was 10-year-old Aghar Khan, son of Morad Mohammad, and the third one was Faqir Mohammad, a young man."

Well, that's the Frogs for you. Chirac was Saddam's best mate.

It's a war. People, many of them civilians, get killed in wars. We've had this for thousands of years, and things ain't going to change any time soon. Yes, we do want access (control, I'd dispute) to those petrochemical resources—no such thing as a free lunch—but if we succeed in dragging Afghanistan out of the middle ages and turning it into a democracy it's surely no bad thing.

 

[karennina]

Well, that's the Frogs for you. Chirac was Saddam's best mate.

It's a war. People, many of them civilians, get killed in wars. We've had this for thousands of years, and things ain't going to change any time soon. Yes, we do want access (control, I'd dispute) to those petrochemical resources—no such thing as a free lunch—but if we succeed in dragging Afghanistan out of the middle ages and turning it into a democracy it's surely no bad thing.

I wish arguments over the internet over this kind of thing solved anything, but they never do. Suffice it to say that I'd reconfigure that phrase as 'bombing Afghanistan back into the middle ages against any wishes it's inhabitants might want to democratically express were they not in the process of being turned into a US client state.' (Actually, that's not quite sufficient - I can't bear omitting that perhaps the strongest thread running through US post war foreign policy is it's abhorrence and destruction of democracy wherever it threatens it's hegemonic interests.)

Anyway, if people want to express their feelings about this soldier, I'll leave them to it having pointed at and shouted about the elephant in the room a bit.

 

[Chris12345]

This really isn't the thread for a debate on the pros and cons of war... if he's a yid, chances are, there'll be people on here who know him...

 

[SpurSince57]

I wish arguments over the internet over this kind of thing solved anything, but they never do. Suffice it to say that I'd reconfigure that phrase as 'bombing Afghanistan back into the middle ages against any wishes it's inhabitants might want to democratically express were they not in the process of being turned into a US client state.' (Actually, that's not quite sufficient - I can't bear omitting that perhaps the strongest thread running through US post war foreign policy is it's abhorrence and destruction of democracy wherever it threatens it's hegemonic interests.)

Anyway, if people want to express their feelings about this soldier, I'll leave them to it having pointed at and shouted about the elephant in the room a bit.

No, they don't, and it's highly arguable that Afghanistan has got out of the middle ages. It's also true that US foreign policy has favoured regimes that US citizens would not tolerate—until a frankly bizarre and almost Pauline conversion to democracy under Dubya, of all people.

But this belongs in D&D. This thread is about a kid who supported Spurs and got killed.

 

[jimmyh]

Sorry about a fellow Spurs fan dieing.

But i cant endorse the mourning of british soldiers being killed as i have been on the wrong end and seen for myself what they term as even handed behaviour.

I am from the occupied six counties of the north east of Ireland and the behaviour of the british army in my country leaves a lot to be desired.

I dont think they should be over there as i dont think they should be in my country either.

But as i said sorry that a fellow yid has died.

 

[JerryGarcia]

The people who sent them want control over the petrochemical resources of Central Asia (USA/UK/NATO/EU generally) and access to the USA's intelligence resources (UK specifically.)

Every person has an equal right to life but our imperialist culture and supporting media revere the UK casualties out of all proportion to the far higher number of Civilian deaths that occur because of their presence. This imbalance needs redressing as far as possible - impressions that British soldiers die in a heroic vacuum need counterweighting in our society. A thread with 20 posts, undeniably well intentioned, that has yet to mention the (higher) civilian, Afghan death toll is an appropriate place for this. None of this is to minimise the loss of that soldier's life.

What else but a lot of 'Bullshit' / Propaganda could so blind a society to the deaths it's soldiers cause?

"On 27 February, foreign soldiers killed three people, including two children, in Alasai district of Kapisa province. Mohammad Ashraf, a tribal elder of Kotki area of Alasai district, giving details of the incident, told AIP that last night at around 2200 local time, French soldiers descended from their helicopter in an area far from Waldikhel village of Kotki area.and and laid an ambush. When people of the area learned about the arrival of these forces, they started fleeing from their village when the French forces opened fire at them." The tribal elder added: "As a result of the firing, three people have been martyred, one of whom was nine-year-old Joma Gul, son of Gholam Rasul, another was 10-year-old Aghar Khan, son of Morad Mohammad, and the third one was Faqir Mohammad, a young man."

I don't stick up for soldiers, they decided to sign up to the military and they alone are responsible for their own fates. However, I believe that there is more to every man than just his job so maybe we should put the political aspect aside and let this thread remain as a tribute to a fellow Spurs fan.

 

[FMA]

RIP, Rich. Hearts go out to the families who have lost loved ones over the course of these conflicts.

 

[DiscoD1882]

it amazes me that some people cant keep there gobs shut. They have to get there vitriolic\political bile out in the open. This is a post for people who want to commemorate the fallen, NOT discuss the rights and wrongs of war\politics. so do us all a favour and respect that or fuck off and create another post in general chat

 

[Kendall]

Agree with the above sentiments but...

cue the usual: "They're not heroes to me, I didn't ask them to fight on my behalf." etc. from the usual suspects.

This was the post that started off all this bullshit.

This thread should never have been allowed to descend into a war debate. It should have been solely about the death of a young spurs fan.