past players for today

[SpursSince1980]

Danny Thomas ahead of walker. Gough ahead of kaboul. Clemence ahead of the yank.

 

[StartingPrice]

Am I the only one who thinks Clive Allen is overrated by many people (perhaps who've read the stats for the 86-87 season, but didn't see him play?). One great season when the team was set up to play to his strengths. Nothing that special throughout the rest of his career. And even in that 50-goal season, I found his touch and link-up play frustratingly poor (Nico Claesen was a much better footballer). He's a bit of a Defoe, in many ways. A really good striker in the right system, but not a great one.

Think I'd go for Hoddle, meself - he'd change the balance of the current team, not always for the best, but he'd create and score a ton of goals, that's for sure. Jennings a good shout, too.

I was the first one to mention him - and I made a point of saying I was going to limit myself to players I had seen, and thus, excluding the Double side - does that answer your question :shrug:

It has nothing to do with stats - it has EVERYTHING to do with knowing that we are playing, in effect, with one striker, this is our most fragile position, and Clive Allen was an absolute phenomenon in a 4-5-1.
I also don't agree that he is like Defoe, in any way, shape or form, and think his touch and lin-up play were better than you allow.

I never, anywhere, said he was a great player.
My answer was dominated entirely by the fact that I consider our striking options to be the weakest in the currect side - whereas our midifeld options are our best - making me question your choice of Hoddle as a square pegs round holes choice - two can play at that game :roll:. So, our striking options being the weakest, and our side being best suited to 4-5-1 with VDV, I made my choice based upon what I have seen.

Sorry if you didn't mean it this way, but I was the first one to say Clive Allen, I made a point of being emphatic about it, and I knew exactly what i was saying, and I found your post quite patronising.

 

[Lanh]

Gough, Hoddle, Waddle

 

[mendesstormer]

I was the first one to mention him - and I made a point of saying I was going to limit myself to players I had seen, and thus, excluding the Double side - does that answer your question :shrug:

It has nothing to do with stats - it has EVERYTHING to do with knowing that we are playing, in effect, with one striker, this is our most fragile position, and Clive Allen was an absolute phenomenon in a 4-5-1.
I also don't agree that he is like Defoe, in any way, shape or form, and think his touch and lin-up play were better than you allow.

I never, anywhere, said he was a great player.
My answer was dominated entirely by the fact that I consider our striking options to be the weakest in the currect side - whereas our midifeld options are our best - making me question your choice of Hoddle as a square pegs round holes choice - two can play at that game :roll:. So, our striking options being the weakest, and our side being best suited to 4-5-1 with VDV, I made my choice based upon what I have seen.

Sorry if you didn't mean it this way, but I was the first one to say Clive Allen, I made a point of being emphatic about it, and I knew exactly what i was saying, and I found your post quite patronising.

Wow. You do take things personally, don't you. I was just expressing my opinion that I think Clive Allen was overrated by many people. My post wasn't directed at you - you were one of several people who suggested his name. Clearly lots of people rate him - some of whom have probably seen him play, some of whom maybe haven't. I don't happen to rate him that highly and I'm not convinced he'd be a big success in the modern game (theoretical argument, obviously). No big deal.

 

[StartingPrice]

Wow. You do take things personally, don't you. I was just expressing my opinion that I think Clive Allen was overrated by many people. My post wasn't directed at you - you were one of several people who suggested his name. Clearly lots of people rate him - some of whom have probably seen him play, some of whom maybe haven't. I don't happen to rate him that highly and I'm not convinced he'd be a big success in the modern game (theoretical argument, obviously). No big deal.

I did explain why I found it slightly patronising.

I was the first one to mention him and the most emphatic in mentioning him. I think only two other posters have mentioned him...and both of them had two or three players, and he wasn't first on the list. So, naturally, it pretty much sounds like you were directly your post my way.

And, like I said, it is based on the fact that our stike-force is, really, the weakest link in our team (IMHO), and that he is particularly effective in a 4-5-1, which is exactly what we need from a striker.

As a matter of fact, I saw a compilation video of him, and you may be surprised by how good he actually was at intricate passing in and around the box. Maybe you have a selective memory where he is concerned, dominated by his phenomenal goalscoring record and ignoring other contributions.

 

[hellava_tough]

With the number of chances we create, I'd say Lineker, Klinnsman, Greaves, Allen

Any of them could score 30+ goals in the league

 

[Kalim]

Jennings-Mckay-Greaves

Spot on

 

[yido_number1]

I was the first one to mention him - and I made a point of saying I was going to limit myself to players I had seen, and thus, excluding the Double side - does that answer your question :shrug:

It has nothing to do with stats - it has EVERYTHING to do with knowing that we are playing, in effect, with one striker, this is our most fragile position, and Clive Allen was an absolute phenomenon in a 4-5-1.
I also don't agree that he is like Defoe, in any way, shape or form, and think his touch and lin-up play were better than you allow.

I never, anywhere, said he was a great player.
My answer was dominated entirely by the fact that I consider our striking options to be the weakest in the currect side - whereas our midifeld options are our best - making me question your choice of Hoddle as a square pegs round holes choice - two can play at that game :roll:. So, our striking options being the weakest, and our side being best suited to 4-5-1 with VDV, I made my choice based upon what I have seen.

Sorry if you didn't mean it this way, but I was the first one to say Clive Allen, I made a point of being emphatic about it, and I knew exactly what i was saying, and I found your post quite patronising.

Actually I was the first one to mention him?!!:stupid:

 

[StartingPrice]

Jimmy Greaves... unbelievable goals record... or Clive Allen for his 40 goals season...

Actually I was the first one to mention him?!!:stupid:

Yeah, but if you are stupid enough to have a player other than Allen at the start of your post, followed by a big, massive load of nonsense, way too long to read, and then sneak Clive Allen in at the end in tiny writing, you can hardly blame me for missing it :razz:

 

[chinaman]

Jennings-Mckay-Greaves

To those 3, I'd add Cliff Jones, Danny Blanchflower and Martin Chivers.

 

[RickyVilla]

Justin Edinburgh and Dean Austin. We would be unstoppable. On a serious note Clive Allen is a brilliant call so I will go with him and Steve Perryman.

 

[mendesstormer]

I did explain why I found it slightly patronising.

I was the first one to mention him and the most emphatic in mentioning him. I think only two other posters have mentioned him...and both of them had two or three players, and he wasn't first on the list. So, naturally, it pretty much sounds like you were directly your post my way.

And, like I said, it is based on the fact that our stike-force is, really, the weakest link in our team (IMHO), and that he is particularly effective in a 4-5-1, which is exactly what we need from a striker.

As a matter of fact, I saw a compilation video of him, and you may be surprised by how good he actually was at intricate passing in and around the box. Maybe you have a selective memory where he is concerned, dominated by his phenomenal goalscoring record and ignoring other contributions.

Take it from me, I wasn't directing my post at you - otherwise I would have quoted you, and I wouldn't have said 'overrated by many people'. I was interested in what people thought of Clive Allen, because I genuinely found him unimpressive to watch, even though he scored a lot of goals (in that one season). Bit of a conundrum, obviously, because he's a striker so what more can he do than score 50 goals in a season? The video you mention might be interesting, as memory does play tricks sometimes - on the other hand there may well be a similar one showing how Pav is great at intricate passing in and around the box (which he is on occasions - then the rest of the time he just seems like a useless waste of space).

 

[chinaman]

To those 3, I'd add Cliff Jones, Danny Blanchflower and Martin Chivers.

And how could I have forgotten about the one and only Glenn Hoddle?

 

[chinaman]

And all those players to our current top 18 players and we have a world conquering squad.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

From what I've been lucky enough to witness: Any two of Sheringham, Berbatov or Klinsmann up front instead of Ade and VDV would improve us(probably Berba and Klinsmann).

Much as I love Azza I think a fully fit on form Anderton was the best English right winger of his generation and would probably be ahead.

Ginola still edges ahead of Bale but I might be biased, and that opinion is getting harder and harder to keep.

Contraversial now: Campbell in for Kaboul. I love Kaboul but Campbell was a giant and the reason we didn't get relegated in the mid to late 90's, regardless of how much i loathe him.

Full backs we definitely have the best two I've seen, thought Stevie Carr might lay claim. Ditto DM in Parker (or Sandro) and playmaker in Modric. I think Robinson in his first two seasons edges ahead of Friedel for me.

So, from my time watching Spurs (don't remember Gazza or GHod even though born in 85) I'd go:

Robinson
Walker Campbell King Ekotto
Anderton Parker Modric Ginola
Klinsmann Berbatov

Friedel Kaboul Sandro Lennon Bale VDV Sheringham​

 

[mendesstormer]

And all those players to our current top 18 players and we have a world conquering squad.

Now you're getting greedy :grin:

 

[StartingPrice]

Take it from me, I wasn't directing my post at you - otherwise I would have quoted you, and I wouldn't have said 'overrated by many people'. I was interested in what people thought of Clive Allen, because I genuinely found him unimpressive to watch, even though he scored a lot of goals (in that one season). Bit of a conundrum, obviously, because he's a striker so what more can he do than score 50 goals in a season? The video you mention might be interesting, as memory does play tricks sometimes - on the other hand there may well be a similar one showing how Pav is great at intricate passing in and around the box (which he is on occasions - then the rest of the time he just seems like a useless waste of space).

Fair enough...just sounded a bit off.
I actually hold a slightly unusual view of Pav - which is that he is actually quite good at making intuitive touches, it is just when he has to stop the ball and, therefore, think about what he is doing that he looks like a cack-footed buffoon.
Of course, video clips can be used to show all kinds fo things, so i could have been hood-winked,as what really stuck in my mind at the time was his goalscoring. But, there again, as you say, if we scored 50 goals for us as part of a 4-5-1 this season and we won the title because of his goals, I really couldn't give a flying fook if his interactive passing was Pav-esque :wink:

Should also add that I was limiting myself purely in terms of one single player from the past to add to our present team, and not, unlike some, of several players or even a composite team.

 

[lukespurs7]

Jennings > Friedel
Mabbutt to play with King
Gazza or Hoddle > Modric...just.
Ginola > Lennon
Klinsmann > Adebeyor

 

[mendesstormer]

Fair enough,,,just sounded a bit off.
I actually hold a slightly unusual view of Pav - which is that he is actually quite good at making intuitive touches, it is just when he has to stop the ball and, therefore, think about what he is doing that he looks like a cack-footed buffoon.
Of course, video clips can be used to show all kinds fo things, so i could have been hood-winked,as what really stuck in my mind at the time was his goalscoring. But, there again, as you say, if we scored 50 goals for us as part of a 4-5-1 this season and we won the title because of his goals, I really couldn't give a flying fook if his interactive passing was Pav-esque :wink:

Should also add that I was limiting myself purely in terms of one single player from the past to add to our present team, and not, unlike some, of several players or even a composite team.

Agree that Pav has something going for him when he doesn't try to think too much. But re Allen, do you not think say Klinsmann would be far more impresssive as the lone striker in this current team? Now that I'd like to see ...

 

[StartingPrice]

Agree that Pav has something going for him when he doesn't try to think too much. But re Allen, do you not think say Klinsmann would be far more impresssive as the lone striker in this current team? Now that I'd like to see ...

Possibly, and I did consider it. Just felt that he was less prolific and more suited to playing with a Sheringham who may have been exceptional at linking up play, but was actually a striker playing in what I always considered a 4-4-2, and never dropped off anywhere near as deep as VDV does, and I felt that, in our present set-up, Jurgen may get a bit isolated.

And, to repeat, I was viewing it wholly in terms of if you could have one player from the past in our team, and not select as many players form the past as you want to make a composite team.

Oh, and it goes without saying that I won't consider BerbaGit, as he is a <CENSOR EVASION> :wink: