Phil McNulty Turns Spotlight On Kenny Bullshit

[StartingPrice]

Alienating Alonso was quite possibly the dumbest thing that Benitez ever did, wasn't it?

I can even remember saying when he tried to get Alonso to fook in order to get Gareth Barry that it would serve him right if Alonso fecked off anyway, and that it would be the biggest mistake they could make :grin:

 

[3Dnata]

I think it was on MOTD they made the point about signing Andy Carroll and not playing to his strengths, not that they're much anyway, but to pay £35 million and not play a system that suits I'd think most fans would question that.
They'll do well to get a Europa place and I think Toon will turn them over.

 

[Mullers]

Alienating Alonso was quite possibly the dumbest thing that Benitez ever did, wasn't it?

Definitely, he must have been smoking weed to want to replace Alonso with Barry. Alonso would have stayed at Liverpool for the rest of his career I believe.

 

[Kendall]

I said it a few weeks ago and I'll say it again, I've written Liverpool off for a top 4 finish. I don't think they have the quality or mentality in their players (Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Enrique etc have never been near the top and never had that pressure).

People on here were saying during summer that we would be slipping behind Liverpool because they'd spent so much. I wasn't even close to shitting myself over this team.

They don't have the quality on the field that Arsenal do and they don't have the experience Chelsea do. They will gradually slip away, but will still probably finish 6th due to a lack of quality below them.

 

[StartingPrice]

I said it a few weeks ago and I'll say it again, I've written Liverpool off for a top 4 finish. I don't think they have the quality or mentality in their players (Downing, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, Enrique etc have never been near the top and never had that pressure).

People on here were saying during summer that we would be slipping behind Liverpool because they'd spent so much. I wasn't even close to shitting myself over this team.

They don't have the quality on the field that Arsenal do and they don't have the experience Chelsea do. They will gradually slip away, but will still probably finish 6th due to a lack of quality below them.

Fooking 'ell as like...meand Kendall are in total agreement about something :grin:

 

[talkshowhost86]

I think Liverpool are in danger of getting themselves into a Newcastle situation. They are so obsessed with Dalglish and the fact that he's a bindipper hero that they'll continue to ignore his obvious limitations. It was the same with Keegan at Newcastle and we all know how that ended for them.

Considering the money he's spent, Dalglish has done terribly up there and in any other situation the fans would be thinking about his position. Hopefully that blind faith will continue, he'll stay and they'll fall away into obscurity in 6th.

The only downside in that scenario is that 'King Kenny' will continue to be on the television blaming everyone but himself for his team's problems. I know that Wenger and Fergie have made this sort of bullshit the norm in interviews, but Dalglish is taking it to another level. I've genuinely not seen him complement another team or accept a bad result with good grace in the whole year he's been there. Maybe at some point he's going to have to look at himself rather than refs, the FA and the whole world which is obviously against him.

 

[Chimbo!]

I think this is typical media hype. They have been praised to high heaven and been inflated to the extent Mark Bright was tipping them to win the league. The fact that most pundits had Liverpool finishing in the top 4 despite not finishing in the top 5 for 2 seasons running meant that expectations were always going to be higher than realistic.

Daglish and Liverpool are having a dip but that is to b expected of a developing side. They are probably not going to finish in the top 4 this season but I think next year they will. If they keep spending money in the end you will succeed. If you chuck enough mud against the wall eventually some will stick...

 

[Real_madyidd]

I wonder how Hodgeson (Woy to his friends) would have done if he had been trustsed as much as "King" Kenny with the chequebook.

 

[StartingPrice]

I think this is typical media hype. They have been praised to high heaven and been inflated to the extent Mark Bright was tipping them to win the league. The fact that most pundits had Liverpool finishing in the top 4 despite not finishing in the top 5 for 2 seasons running meant that expectations were always going to be higher than realistic.

Daglish and Liverpool are having a dip but that is to b expected of a developing side. They are probably not going to finish in the top 4 this season but I think next year they will. If they keep spending money in the end you will succeed. If you chuck enough mud against the wall eventually some will stick...

A Freudian slip, surely :shrug:

That is one way to look at it...another is that they can only break into the top 4 if the teams above them (and we are one of those) are substantially weakened. I can't see them surpassing Citeh at the current rate. Even if they improve next year, and United stand still, I can't see them overturning that one. They may improve next year but I suspect we will continue our improvement, so, again, no joy for the Scousers. Ditto with Chelsea, really - they have a better team and can continue to outspend them. The only team I can see them getting near is the Goons, if they lose Van Persie - in fact, I can see these two being locked into a nightmare (for them) dogfight for the Europa place. And that is not to mention teams coming from behind Liverpool to challenge them - as Newcastle are this year.

The question has to be what will happen if they continue to miss out, and, in relation to their aspirations, underachieve? Is there any possibility of them doing a Leeds? They have one of the iconic football grounds in England, but capacity wise it's not special. Compared to WHL they have limited revenue from director's boxes (oooeeeeeerrrrrr missus mg, so, even though there capacity is about 10,000 more than WHL, this isn't necessarily reflected in revenues. Most importantly, unlike us, their plans for ground building where absolutely scunnered a while ago, and so no signs of resurrection. They have a massive fan-base, it is true, but how many of these are the fickle type who would have been switching to Chelsea a few years ago, and are liable to Citeh-ification now :shrug:

So, to reposit the question, with a limited revenue from their stadium and no plans for development, no CL money to sustain current wage structure/purchasing power, a declining status possibly reflected in global fan-base and marketing revenues, and quite possibly a diminishing in their share of the TV-money pie, are Liverpool in danger of years in the wilderness? Indeed, have the seeds already been sown?

ray:ray:ray:

 

[Chimbo!]

A Freudian slip, surely :shrug:

That is one way to look at it...another is that they can only break into the top 4 if the teams above them (and we are one of those) are substantially weakened. I can't see them surpassing Citeh at the current rate. Even if they improve next year, and United stand still, I can't see them overturning that one. They may improve next year but I suspect we will continue our improvement, so, again, no joy for the Scousers. Ditto with Chelsea, really - they have a better team and can continue to outspend them. The only team I can see them getting near is the Goons, if they lose Van Persie - in fact, I can see these two being locked into a nightmare (for them) dogfight for the Europa place. And that is not to mention teams coming from behind Liverpool to challenge them - as Newcastle are this year.

The question has to be what will happen if they continue to miss out, and, in relation to their aspirations, underachieve? Is there any possibility of them doing a Leeds? They have one of the iconic football grounds in England, but capacity wise it's not special. Compared to WHL they have limited revenue from director's boxes (oooeeeeeerrrrrr missus mg, so, even though there capacity is about 10,000 more than WHL, this isn't necessarily reflected in revenues. Most importantly, unlike us, their plans for ground building where absolutely scunnered a while ago, and so no signs of resurrection. They have a massive fan-base, it is true, but how many of these are the fickle type who would have been switching to Chelsea a few years ago, and are liable to Citeh-ification now :shrug:

So, to reposit the question, with a limited revenue from their stadium and no plans for development, no CL money to sustain current wage structure/purchasing power, a declining status possibly reflected in global fan-base and marketing revenues, and quite possibly a diminishing in their share of the TV-money pie, are Liverpool in danger of years in the wilderness? Indeed, have the seeds already been sown?

ray:ray:ray:

You make some good points and I too would like to see them spend a few years in mid-table purgatory. However, the one thing about football is that it is always changing. Who would have thought Chelsea would struggle to the extent they have this season? Who saw Spurs as more likely finishers of 3rd than 4th?

At the beginning of this season we were being written off as the team to finish 6th. The point is that while Liverpool may look weak now they could come out stronger in a few months time. When Daglish took over they catapulted up the table. If they have a similar run now then they could still finish 4th and their team today is better than last years.

They also have a number of young players who should become good like Carroll, Enrique, Kelly. While they are struggling a bit I don't think they should be written off just yet.

 

[StartingPrice]

You make some good points and I too would like to see them spend a few years in mid-table purgatory. However, the one thing about football is that it is always changing. Who would have thought Chelsea would struggle to the extent they have this season? Who saw Spurs as more likely finishers of 3rd than 4th?

At the beginning of this season we were being written off as the team to finish 6th. The point is that while Liverpool may look weak now they could come out stronger in a few months time. When Daglish took over they catapulted up the table. If they have a similar run now then they could still finish 4th and their team today is better than last years.

They also have a number of young players who should become good like Carroll, Enrique, Kelly. While they are struggling a bit I don't think they should be written off just yet.

Funny you should say that:
In the Summer I thought Chelsea would struggle this season to mount any kind of title challenge.
In the Summer (and after the first two games) I thought we would be genuine challengers for 4th/3rd or even higher.
In the Summer I thought that Liverpool had not strengthened massively by shelling out such huge sums of cash, in relation to their five competitors for a CL spot, that they were the weakest of the six (by far), and would even struggle to get into the Europa spot.

Not only did I think it, I said it, on these forums, frequently - and got some jip for it.

Yeah, they could all of a sudden mount a fantastic charge - I just really don't think they will, because, frankly, they ain't that good.

 

[spurslenny]

All bow down at the alter of StartingPrice.

 

[StartingPrice]

p.s. I am always willing to have a laugh at myself, and admit when I get something wrong...as anyone, capable of reading a post (some cretins really struggle on that basic skill :rofl, will see from the current 'Confessions' thread.

 

[3Dnata]

I think Liverpool when they were a real power were ruthless when it came to axing people on the decline, they're showing quite alot of sentiment to Gerrard who was a top player a few years ago but now is like an injured version of Darren Anderton.

 

[Spurger King]

I think Liverpool when they were a real power were ruthless when it came to axing people on the decline, they're showing quite alot of sentiment to Gerrard who was a top player a few years ago but now is like an injured version of Darren Anderton.

Isn't an injured version of Darren Anderton just Darren Anderton?

 

[FMA]

I think Liverpool when they were a real power were ruthless when it came to axing people on the decline, they're showing quite alot of sentiment to Gerrard who was a top player a few years ago but now is like an injured version of Darren Anderton.

Carragher is certainly an example of that.

 

[nightgoat]

I dont think Kenny is the right man for the job, his tactics are very poor. Will be interesting to see how long Liverpool fans support him! Wouldnt surprise me if Newcastle beat em on Friday.

I think he definitely is the right man for the job. :lol:

 

[3Dnata]

I actually want Pool to finish 4th because it means two London clubs won't get CL ( Tottenham Will0 but there is a minimal chance of them doing it.

 

[Marty]

Carragher is certainly an example of that.

But at least he has been out of the team a lot recently. In that respect it's lucky Dalglish is the mananger because anybody else would be turned on and hounded out of the club.

 

[tony_parkes]

But at least he has been out of the team a lot recently. In that respect it's lucky Dalglish is the mananger because anybody else would be turned on and hounded out of the club.

Dalglish was possibly the only man who could get away with dropping Carra, there back 4 has been impressive this season (apart from when we battered them).

I live in Liverpool and have to put up with their blind optimism every single day. My brother in law told me the other day "We should be top of the league, we've hit the post 15 times." My father in law agreed and said that Suarez was so accurate he'd hit the woodwork many times, so unlucky.

My response was obvious, "Well he isn't that accurate or he would have scored more and not hit the fuckin woodwork, dickheads!!"

I've been with my wife 15 years, they never used to want to debate football with me, now they come round and argue about their history (that I will not deny) and how Spurs are arogant for even thinking we can finish above them (for a 3rd year in a row). Tossers the lot of them.