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Flobadob

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I had a little bit of a lightbulb moment a minute ago. Could he be for Ange what Lamela was for Poch? A very hard working RW who maybe doesn’t get off the charts level of goals and assists but makes up for that with his off the ball work and team play? I could actually see it to be fair
 

yido_number1

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And if he is right it will be a great spot by Ange and Paratici, if he's crap it will be Levy meddling and screwing up our recruitment 🤣
When it's later released that Ange wanted someone else but went with Johnson because we could off load two unwanted players we'll have all the facts. We'll then find out he really wanted another player that went on to explode like a Kim min jae or Kvratsh(sp)
 

fishhhandaricecake

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Money is fungible, but big injections of capital represent opportunities that the club otherwise would not have. When we sold Bale we spent the money, when we spent big in 2019 it was off the back of having generated nine figures in revenue with the run to the CL final, and when we had a significant outlay last summer it was a result of one-off owner financing.

The Kane sale similarly represents a major injection of capital. What's nonsense is to suggest that we should treat this window like any other.

We sold him because the club was unwilling to bear the opportunity cost of forgoing the fee. We should now use that opportunity to do business we would not otherwise be able to do. For me, that means players whose market value is that of Chiesa, Vlahovic, Antonio SIlva, etc. -- players we could not afford but for having sold our talisman. Brennan Johnson doesn't fit the bill of an adequate use of the Kane money for me.
All very true good points the only thing would be what if we simply can’t get those players you mentioned regardless of money… Vhalovic and Silva not interested in coming to us whilst we aren’t in Europe or their clubs just won’t sell unless it’s a ludicrous figure way over their valuation that would just be us wasting money. Yes we got £100mil from Kane but in this market that doesn’t go that far and also as we know from Ndombele and Pepe’s etc, spending big doesn’t always = spending well.

If Ange sees something of a good fit in Johnson then let’s back that.
 

yido_number1

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I had a little bit of a lightbulb moment a minute ago. Could he be for Ange what Lamela was for Poch? A very hard working RW who maybe doesn’t get off the charts level of goals and assists but makes up for that with his off the ball work and team play? I could actually see it to be fair
You mean kulu?
 

wrd

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I don't really see the fuss about Johnson but I do see that over past 3/4 windows, besides Spence; our signings of promising young talents has been very good and so I think if the club feels strongly about getting him then they've earnt a reasonable amount of trust that it will be a good decision, especially now with a manager in place who is amicable to them.
 

wrd

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Forest season ticket holder...

"He’s really good if you can get the ball in behind. He can also get past players with a bit of skill and he's fast as fuck as well… will score and provide.
I will be sad to see him go, but financial fair play means we don’t have a choice plus he wants to go to you."

What's the financial fair play situation?
 

JayB

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Sorry but wrong, we signed players before we sold Bale. Literally the same as what we did this time with Kane. Also we're not signing that calibre player this late. I honestly think it's been made clear we knew Kane was going to be sold so knew the money was coming. Ange pretty much confirmed as much. It really is the same scenario as when we sold Bale. The window has also been similar to that one in terms of numbers and quality. I'm somewhat optimistic this one is going to prove a bit better though. We didn't sign as much young potential we have been in this window. If we add Johnson and 1 or 2 more it will be even stronger. What did we get before maybe 2 quality signings? This time I would say at least 4 will prove to be.
Why does it matter whether we spent the money before or after the sale? Did Juventus suddenly recover from its financial crisis the moment Bayern put pen to paper? Clubs throughout Europe are skint due to the pandemic and there are plenty of quality players available if you're willing to pay.

We're in a very different position now than we were a decade ago when we sold Bale. The period of austerity that we endured during the stadium build (likely having to do with certain debt covenants that were a part of arranging the financing) is over, the stadium itself and the explosion of TV and commercial sponsorship revenues have made us into a financial juggernaut, and we can afford substantially more than the zero net spend policy we adhered to at that time.

Replacing the club's top ever scorer with a smattering of young, unproven talents and James Maddison (brought in with one year remaining on his contract, his club having been relegated) would be woefully inadequate. We have an opportunity to address the glaring weaknesses in the squad, and we should be taking it.
 

ButchCassidy

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I usually agree with you but if Ange rates him then I think he will offer us more end product than you’re making out, I can also see Kulu’s form start to improve as he gets more used to the system and Solomon has looked good at RW also.

I would love us to sign a top top class RW but I can certainly see the thinking behind Johnson, have said that from the first day we were linked with him.

Homegrown.
Lots of pace which our attacking options really lack
Decent ball carrier
Young so room to improve
Can cover ST & RW which in terms of our squad numbers would probably work out better than signing a ST & RW given we have no European football this season.

If we signed him and Schurrs I think think honestly would be the best window we’ve ever had and the new signings + other players and overall style of playing being transformed we’d look very strong in all areas with these 2 signings imo.

Vicario (Forster)

Porro (Emerson)
Romero (Sanchez)
VDV (Schurrs)
Udogie (Davies)

Bissouma (Sarr)
Bentancur (Skipp)
Maddison (GLC)

Kulu (Solomon)
Richarlison (Johnson)+ Veliz
Son (Perisic) + Gil

Extremely talented exciting young squad, great depth in pretty much all positions and nice variety of options.

Sure in an absolutely ideal world maybe we have a younger better back-up to Forster, a better backup LB to Davies and a world class RW/Striker but we could always see is this season goes and if Richy really doesn’t pull up any trees then we sell him next summer and bring in Orban or J.David etc.

Exciting times.
It could be the best crop of incomings, potentially, but I don’t see how you can sell Kane and call it the “best window we’ve ever had”. We’d have upgraded two starting XI positions (Maddison, VDV) and massively downgraded one.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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I had a little bit of a lightbulb moment a minute ago. Could he be for Ange what Lamela was for Poch? A very hard working RW who maybe doesn’t get off the charts level of goals and assists but makes up for that with his off the ball work and team play? I could actually see it to be fair
Yep thinking the same mate. Especially in this style of play he will be very effective.

Also he did score 8 goals last season in a really pretty terrible very low possession Forest side, if he started every game for us under Ange I think he’d score double that.

He needs to work on his shooting and composure but he’s only 22, I said when we were first linked not my first choice of player but can certainly see the benefits if we did get him.
 

Flobadob

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You mean kulu?
A different kind of player but yeah Kulu can do that too. Probably has a bit more potential to put up better numbers though. I’m just giving a bit of a possible angle that Ange could be looking at it from
 

arunspurs

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It championship and most goals are on the counter don't see how that correlates to what we will be doing

***In His first & only championship season***
As a 20yr old, he scored 16 goals 9 assist + 2 goals in Playoffs + 1 goal in FA cup against Leicester

In League 1, previous season, 10 goals 12 assist

In PL, 8 goals 3 assist involving in 30% of their goals.

My take away from the video is, how he scores & creates chances from right side. His crossing. And way he overlaps with FB. Also ,left footed crosses & finishes.
 

carpediem991

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I had a little bit of a lightbulb moment a minute ago. Could he be for Ange what Lamela was for Poch? A very hard working RW who maybe doesn’t get off the charts level of goals and assists but makes up for that with his off the ball work and team play? I could actually see it to be fair
Probably and hopefully. Although back then we had Son and even more Kane providing with the goals.

My personal feeling is, that the goal scoring touch is, what our squad needs most right now.

Havent watched Johnson play myself but to get him for like 20m and exchange of 1-2 fringe players sounds worth a shot to me.
 

fishhhandaricecake

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It could be the best crop of incomings, potentially, but I don’t see how you can sell Kane and call it the “best window we’ve ever had”. We’d have upgraded two starting XI positions (Maddison, VDV) and massively downgraded one.
You’ve missed off Vicario & Solomon. One being a great young GK another being a very valuable versatile squad option in a position we needed.

Yes we’d have lost Kane but if we end the window having signing the following I’d say that’s fairly strong and all good signings whereas in the past we might have had a few good signings but a few bad ones.

•Vicario
•Van Der Ven
•Schurrs
•Maddison
•Solomon
•Johnson
•Veliz

GK,2xCB,WF,AM,RW/ST,ST

Can’t think of many better and tbh overall having the whole Kane situation resolved will help Ange to build a young team which is a sum of its parts.
 

Neon_Knight_

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To be fair, if they want £40m and not £50m cash and they'll accept something like £20m plus Spence and Sanchez thrown in, then that's a much more palatable deal. Especially if we can find a move for Bryan. As said I don't think he's a bad player, just not quite at the level and stylistic fit i'd want from a £50m player, HG or not.
While that might sound like a decent deal for them in terms of the transfer fee, would they be able to afford to replace Johnson's £30k p.w. wages with Sanchez & Spence's combined £90k p.w. wages?
 

mil1lion

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Why does it matter whether we spent the money before or after the sale? Did Juventus suddenly recover from its financial crisis the moment Bayern put pen to paper? Clubs throughout Europe are skint due to the pandemic and there are plenty of quality players available if you're willing to pay.

We're in a very different position now than we were a decade ago when we sold Bale. The period of austerity that we endured during the stadium build (likely having to do with certain debt covenants that were a part of arranging the financing) is over, the stadium itself and the explosion of TV and commercial sponsorship revenues have made us into a financial juggernaut, and we can afford substantially more than the zero net spend policy we adhered to at that time.

Replacing the club's top ever scorer with a smattering of young, unproven talents and James Maddison (brought in with one year remaining on his contract, his club having been relegated) would be woefully inadequate. We have an opportunity to address the glaring weaknesses in the squad, and we should be taking it.
You said that we spent the Bale money and yet we have spent more than we sold Kane for overall too. I simply stated the fact it was spent first on both occasions. I've said all along it doesn't matter what the Kane money is and what the rest of the budget is. It only matters what the overall budget is and how it was spent. We have to judge the overall window. In all honesty we don't know how it will work out but then no signings are certain to be good anyway. It seems very clear we have Vicario, VdV and Maddison as starters now. That's not bad by any means. You also have to consider that there's a lot more to it than this window alone. We have Udogie as a starter now too. We have young players from past windows like Sarr who is only getting better with age. Honestly things are not as bad as you're making out. I'm not saying a top player wouldn't be great by any means. I just think the shape of the overall squad is coming together well. I would be happy to get a couple more young prospects like Johnson to finish it off. Each to their own but we're in much better shape than the squad Poch started with and that developed into our best team in this league. We have another young squad now and the more potential we get the better. Only so many will come good.
 

Timberwolf

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Main difference between the Bale situation and the Kane situation is that we're now a team with a massive stadium and mad TV money that have had a big net spend over the past few years, whereas in the Bale-era we were much tighter with our cash and tended to try to balance the books most years. Even more so when the stadium build was approaching.

Us having a 100m net spend is nothing too crazy these days (last year's net spend was ~140m, season before ~60m), so the idea that we'd need to sell Kane to spend 100m doesn't really fit anymore, unless in Levy's eyes we overspent appeasing Conte and now we're balancing that out.

Personally I reckon we're not done and will make another couple of signings. I think we wanted to get the majority of our business done pre-Kane but I would be surprised if we don't sign an attacker and a CB before the deadline (even if they aren't super expensive).
 

Frozen_Waffles

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Really cannot grasp the negativity on here.

He is rapid, fantastic in one on one's. We don't have this type of player. Think Walker but with actual end product.

He's technically gifted, very calm and uses the ball well, which in combination with his pace is incredibly rare.

He's a good finisher, for me his future is at CF, but as both a RW and a CF he offers something we don't have.

Hardworking and HG as a bonus. For me, even if he weren't HG I'd still sign him. 22yo with massive potential.

I also think he starts sooner rather than later, but off the bench he is a fantastic option. Not a no Brainer, but less than 40m and with a player exchange would be a great deal for us.
 
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