Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[arunspurs]

If we are going exclusively by ITK then all we know is what Trix and and Herc are suggesting which is this would be more of a club signing all be it one Ange might be open to. I said the same as you at the time re Johnson being the third name but it could just as easily be Fati who has been linked by ITK and Marca. In general we had a very similar discourse going on in the Spence & Danjuma threads at the time. Fortunately we have Ange and Conte in control now and he seems a lot more easy going when it comes to players.

As I said, if this is truly a Ange pic then I’m 100% behind the signing regardless of my own personal reservations on the player. If we get him then I’ll hope he proves my concern’s completely and utterly unfounded. Gold coming out and saying he’s an Ange pic tho doesn’t do much for me when we’ve had ITK suggesting the contrary. Tbh if we end up buying him outright for £40/50 mil that would be pretty convincing but I’m still hoping if this does happen it’s for a partial trade.

Danjuma was signed in last week of Jan, as a loan signing when Conte already lost interest and we were already a divided club as per Romero.

Spence was personally scouted by Paratici like he did with others. Some work some dont. Conte didnt want Spence we pushed it anyway. That was a mistake from club. Spence wasnt questioned by fans then because they could see a player. Problem with him, is his attitude. So, theres always going to be hit or miss.

IMO, you are giving too much credence to Spence & Danjuma in this context

As for as you are not convinced by Gold. Fair enough. But if thats the case, no one can convince every body.

These 'Club signings' pushed by Levy isnt good - But for me, there is a limit on being disheartended by it. Conte didnt want Spence but we still pushed it , its absolutely wrong. We are pushing Johnson and Ange is fine with him as option - then we should go along as well. In this case too, its Paratici probably on Levy's years.

Personally I dont see any downside risk. For me, he has proven enough in Championship & PL to suggest he will work for us. Even if he doesnt, we could sell him for decent money even if he has a avergage season

 

[nicdic]

I love when posters have to do all sorts of gymnastics to argue for still believing what they think even if manager/player/club whoever says otherwise.

Great commitment.

 

[spursfan77]

Some wild conspiracies in here.

 

[Ben1]

Danjuma was signed in last week of Jan, as a loan signing when Conte already lost interest and we were already a divided club as per Romero.

Spence was personally scouted by Paratici like he did with others. Some work some dont. Conte didnt want Spence we pushed it anyway. That was a mistake from club. Spence wasnt questioned by fans then because they could see a player. Problem with him, is his attitude. So, theres always going to be hit or miss.

IMO, you are giving too much credence to Spence & Danjuma in this context

As for as you are not convinced by Gold. Fair enough. But if thats the case, no one can convince every body.

These 'Club signings' pushed by Levy isnt good - But for me, there is a limit on being disheartended by it. Conte didnt want Spence but we still pushed it , its absolutely wrong. We are pushing Johnson and Ange is fine with him as option - then we should go along as well. In this case too, its Paratici probably on Levy's years.

Personally I dont see any downside risk. For me, he has proven enough in Championship & PL to suggest he will work for us. Even if he doesnt, we could sell him for decent money even if he has a avergage season

I don’t disagree with your overall point or nessasarily the signing, but this has proven to be complete bollocks over and over again.

 

[Trix]

Ange vs Trix

Is that a statement or another question? Or maybe you are insinuating something else?

 

[dvdhopeful]

I remember when Nice Dice was a lovely young lad, now he's a bit edgy, like a cynical teenager and I'm all for it.

 

[arunspurs]

I don’t disagree with your overall point or nessasarily the signing, but this has proven to be complete bollocks over and over again.

Within reason , what I said works in PL.
Our recruitment between 2018-2022 are these proven bollocks. Take a new signing from current XI since 2022 - tell me I am wrong ?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I mean both Trix and Herc have suggested that this would be more of a club signing and the opportunity to offload some deadwood in part of the deal makes this an attractive idea to the club. Supposedly both our head scout and Ange would prefer others so I think it’s understandable fan’s getting “emotional” by the prospect of ending up with another Spence or Danjuma. After all it would be Levy repeating the same mistakes again.

I may not be completely pro this signing but if the ITK suggested both our scouts and manager wanted him most then fair enough, I’d happily put my doubts to one side. But that seems to not be the case at all. Personally I’m sick to death of opportunistic recruitment, if that makes me “emotional and repetitive” then so be it.

Yes and no, all due respect to ITK we are told to take it all with a pinch of salt, some clearly absolutely don’t do that.

Let’s see what happens.

Itk in the past has said we won’t sign certain players and we have gone on to do so and vice versa so I personally chose to not lose my shit about it the second I hear some itk and keep balanced either way about things.

As for Johnson I don’t think he’d be a ‘club signing’ in the sense that Spence was, ITK has said Ange rates Johnson just that he’s perhaps not his first choice, we also had ITK the other day saying that we couldn’t get our 1st or 2nd choice so likely going for 3rd choice. Spence was signed as a specialist wing-back for a manager who had no future with us and spence had attitude problems, Johnson has a good head on his shoulders and fits well with the profile of player to play ST or RW under Ange and/or in the future in a similar style of play. If it also means we can shift spence or dier or perhaps Sanchez then fine, I think Johnson is a good player anyway.

It’s not like we’ve not signed anyone Ange wants, Maddison was his absolute first choice in that n.o8 advanced CM role and he’s said he’s overjoyed that we got him.

The club is in a positive place right now no need to let itk like that bring everyone down.

Just my way of seeing it.

 

[nicdic]

Is that a statement or another question? Or maybe you are insinuating something else?

Doesn't have a question mark, so I guess statement? Although now that is a question, so who knows?!

 

[nicdic]

I remember when Nice Dice was a lovely young lad, now he's a bit edgy, like a cynical teenager and I'm all for it.

The world has made me a cynical, cynical man.

 

[King of the Lane]

Doesn't have a question mark, so I guess statement? Although now that is a question, so who knows?!

Remember you are an admin. If a random poster on here asked Trix a question about his info and then on a separate post made a statement like that Im sure they would be in trouble for it.

 

[nicdic]

I guess I'm losing track of when he is and isn't posting ITK anymore. My most humble of apologies.

 

[rossdapep]

Anthony Gordon = 45m
Harvey Barnes = 38m

People saying 50m is too much.

First, I don't think it'll be that much,.Forest are always going to overvalue. Gordon and Barnes were valued way over their fees originally.

Secondly, this is just the market for young British players now. Whether we like it or not, we have to sign them.

Our starting 11 has only had Maddison as HG player. If you don't sign some for the first team you risk it being an issue down the line.

Kane and Winks left. Dier, Tanganga, Spence, Rodon all likely to leave in the next 12 months.
Forster getting older and will need replacing.

We don't want to be in another situation down the line where we have to shift non-HG players just to make space and hold onto HG players who are not good enough.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Danjuma was signed in last week of Jan, as a loan signing when Conte already lost interest and we were already a divided club as per Romero.

Spence was personally scouted by Paratici like he did with others. Some work some dont. Conte didnt want Spence we pushed it anyway. That was a mistake from club. Spence wasnt questioned by fans then because they could see a player. Problem with him, is his attitude. So, theres always going to be hit or miss.

IMO, you are giving too much credence to Spence & Danjuma in this context

As for as you are not convinced by Gold. Fair enough. But if thats the case, no one can convince every body.

These 'Club signings' pushed by Levy isnt good - But for me, there is a limit on being disheartended by it. Conte didnt want Spence but we still pushed it , its absolutely wrong. We are pushing Johnson and Ange is fine with him as option - then we should go along as well. In this case too, its Paratici probably on Levy's years.

Personally I dont see any downside risk. For me, he has proven enough in Championship & PL to suggest he will work for us. Even if he doesnt, we could sell him for decent money even if he has a avergage season

It’s not as if Danjuma and Spence are the only two examples, they are just the most recent. Explaining or justifying them in isolation doesn’t really do much imo.

Ultimately it comes down to how much you rate the player and that will obviously colour where one stands on this potentially transfer. You rate him so you’re obviously going to see the positive side, im less enthusiastic so I’m obviously going to listen to the ITK when they say things like “club signing”. Ultimately it’s completely futile. Ether we will or won’t sign him and if we do I’ll be completely 100% behind him, until that point there are others I’d prefer. I don’t think Johnson is a bad player I just prefer others.

In the end of the day we all want what’s best for the club and no two people will universally have the same opinion. Furthermore neither you nor I actually know what exactly Ange is looking for so ultimately it’s all guesswork. Yes it might be more influenced by stats, reading reports, watching games of his and potential targets but unless one is a professional scout or coach who’s worked with him, it’s still guesswork.

Anyway, going by Trix’s latest in the ITK thread it seems that he isn’t our top target but part of a grand plan and most importantly Ange is behind the idea. If that’s true then that is excellent news and if we sign him then I look forward to seeing what he can do for us.

 

[Hercules]

Anthony Gordon = 45m
Harvey Barnes = 38m

People saying 50m is too much.

First, I don't think it'll be that much,.Forest are always going to overvalue. Gordon and Barnes were valued way over their fees originally.

Secondly, this is just the market for young British players now. Whether we like it or not, we have to sign them.

Our starting 11 has only had Maddison as HG player. If you don't sign some for the first team you risk it being an issue down the line.

Kane and Winks left. Dier, Tanganga, Spence, Rodon all likely to leave in the next 12 months.
Forster getting older and will need replacing.

We don't want to be in another situation down the line where we have to shift non-HG players just to make space and hold onto HG players who are not good enough.

I did not look on it like that, but educated not so long ago

 

[rossdapep]

I am in noway comparing him to Kane as a player or saying he will reach that level.

However, what were we all saying about Kane at 22?

Johnson is still only 22 and has shown he has some very good qualities in a poor team. He hasn't fully developed yet.

What if he does that with us and improves his all-round game to go with his natural talent?

 

[Steffen]

Anthony Gordon = 45m
Harvey Barnes = 38m

People saying 50m is too much.

First, I don't think it'll be that much,.Forest are always going to overvalue. Gordon and Barnes were valued way over their fees originally.

Secondly, this is just the market for young British players now. Whether we like it or not, we have to sign them.

Our starting 11 has only had Maddison as HG player. If you don't sign some for the first team you risk it being an issue down the line.

Kane and Winks left. Dier, Tanganga, Spence, Rodon all likely to leave in the next 12 months.
Forster getting older and will need replacing.

We don't want to be in another situation down the line where we have to shift non-HG players just to make space and hold onto HG players who are not good enough.

Not that it changes the point of your post, but Dier isn't HG.

 

[Kirito]

Ah good, everyone can quit having a Levy moan now

 

[SuperLuka]

More to it than that. Players going the other way need to agree and not prefer to go elsewhere where the money doesn't add up for us. Then it's a case of lining up all the fee's to suit both clubs etc. Multi player deals are always a pain even if they are all listed as seperate transactions. With how long that's left in the window it won't be easy.

On top of that the player identification team are pushing other options. Could get pretty messy. Best case scenario is we sell elsewhere and buy someone different, but then I don't want him, so I accept that might not be best case in everyone's eyes.

As I said the other day, we should not be signing a player just to shift deadwood or we'll just end up with expensive deadwood on a longer contract. We should only sign players the scouting team and Ange identify.

 

[KirstyG]

It very much seems that maybe he wasn’t number one but then way things have progressed, he is now. Anyway let’s see what transpires.