Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[Hertsspur10]

We had info from WLB that Ange sees kulu as being able to play that false 9/firmino role and in the event of that might we go big for a RW.

Food for thought..

 

[Tucker]

Wow that is insane

If you read up thread and find @Now it's Spursonal post on it, it kind of makes sense due to his close control and movement in the box.

I’m not keen on him, but the reasoning kind of made sense. Just got to hope there’s some kind of method to the madness.

 

[Fredo]

We shouldnt be going for any striker other than Vlahovic. Hes the one.

 

[arunspurs]

Just looking at data without context is meaningless.

Why are we looking at his goals scored & assists and making direct assessment as if , he played in his pro career in teams that dominate.

Johnson teams been Lincoln City , Forest & Wales. Club in PL or his country don’t play great football . He feeds of scraps.

Championship season Forest did play reasonably good football for the level & he scored 16 goals as 19 yr old.

For me he comes across as a good forward who can cross well as well as finish well .

When it mattered the most he turned up for Forest. Forest would not have got promoted without him nor would they have survived in PL last season. Time & again he drove them forward riding tackles

I think if he plays in a possession heavy attacking side he will produce lot more & not less.
This is becaus he is technically very good and a good ball striker. His passes received stat should go up automatically, which should then accentuate his numbers in final third

 

[Albertbarich]

Just looking at data without context is meaningless.

Why are we looking at his goals scored & assists and making direct assessment as if , he played in his pro career in teams that dominate.

Johnson teams been Lincoln City , Forest & Wales. Club in PL ot his country don’t play great football . He feeds of scraps.

Championship season Forest did play reasonably good football for the level & he scored 16 goals as 19 yr old.

For me he comes across as a good forward who can cross well as well as finish well .

When it mattered the most he turned up for Forest. Forest would not have got promoted without him nor would they have survived in PL last season. Time & again he drove them forward riding tackles

I think if he plays in a possession heavy attacking side he will produce lot more & not less.
This is becaus he is technically very good and a good ball striker. His passes received stat should go up automatically, which should then accentuate his numbers in final third

That's a good post.

People who follow stats and data are all bemused by this link but there is clearly more beyond the surface as it isn't just us looking at him.

 

[Hertsspur10]

Just looking at data without context is meaningless.

Why are we looking at his goals scored & assists and making direct assessment as if , he played in his pro career in teams that dominate.

Johnson teams been Lincoln City , Forest & Wales. Club in PL ot his country don’t play great football . He feeds of scraps.

Championship season Forest did play reasonably good football for the level & he scored 16 goals as 19 yr old.

For me he comes across as a good forward who can cross well as well as finish well .

When it mattered the most he turned up for Forest. Forest would not have got promoted without him nor would they have survived in PL last season. Time & again he drove them forward riding tackles

I think if he plays in a possession heavy attacking side he will produce lot more & not less.
This is becaus he is technically very good and a good ball striker. His passes received stat should go up automatically, which should then accentuate his numbers in final third

To add to this. Last season Forest scored 38 goals. Of which Johnson contributed 11 (8G + 3A). A pretty impressive % contribution.

 

[chas vs dave]

That's a good post.

People who follow stats and data are all bemused by this link but there is clearly more beyond the surface as it isn't just us looking at him

We've been scouting him for over 2 years. There must be more to it. 8 goals in a turgid forest side wasn't bad last season.

 

[rebrab]

If we can somehow throw Sanchez/Gil/Spence into the deal then it's a no-brainer IMO.

I prefer Gil to Brennan tbh…

 

[Azza1985]

Not who i would really want, but Homegrown status could come into our planning. Don't have the time to work it out, but sure we had 17 non homegrown players or near abouts.

 

[HildoSpur]

I prefer Gil to Brennan tbh…

Gil can't play up front though

 

[Guntz]

I prefer Gil to Brennan tbh…

Gil is yet to prove he can cut it in the PL.

I don't think he ever will tbh.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Not saying I disagree but what skillset do you think he lacks?

Ange has always said he likes having a mix of different style of attacking options so his teams aren't predictable.

He has more raw pace and power than say a Solomon or Kulu something we really lack so if we are interested I can certainly see why tbh in terms of some of his skillset, also because he can cover both ST and RW, another bonus.

If he is or will become good enough is another Q but I think his skillset is an ok fit given that Ange doesn't actually really have just one favoured 'skillset' in his attacking players.

If it was say we were going to sign him and Orban I'd be ok with that as we'd then have a lot of young high potential players across our front line, if just Johnson then that's not enough firepower added.

In generally I’m not particularly sure which position we would be signing him for. I’m assuming RW as he’s played there 41 times as opposed to 24 at CF. Thing is tho I feel like if you wanted a CF we could comfortably get better and if we wanted a RW we could comfortably get better.

As far as being a right winger he just isn’t particularly exceptional on the ball. His decision making i also find rather suspect and he seems to wilt under pressure somewhat. Whilst I completely appreciate any player will also somewhat be a reflection of the tactics they play in, ie if you are an attacking player in a weak team who play a defensive system it’s harder to express yourself but even so that doesn’t cover for individual circumstances when you do find yourself high up the pitch 1v1 with a FB. In those instances when playing against any half decent team, at least in the occasions I have seen him, he has looked distinctly average.

The fact is if there is one thing significantly lacking in our wide play is better dribbling ability. Look at how our midfield has vastly improved with Maddison, Bissouma and Udogie gliding past players putting defenders on the back foot. We need that from the wingers also. Johnson in that regard isn’t the answer.

As a forward I can’t comment as much but to me he looks far from a natural striker but maybe I’m wrong and I’m happy to be convinced otherwise.

Tbh in general for me he just doesn’t seem to excel in any one particular area. Now I get that every team sometimes needs players who are adaptable, versatile and just solid without being spectacular but at the moment we actually do need to add some real quality to our front line.

And that is it really, Johnson is certainly not a bad player. I don’t want to make him sound awful. He looks decent for sure. But we shouldn’t be buying decent, we’ve done it too many times over the years. After selling Kane we lost a world class player, obviously no individual will fill that hole but you can still get someone of real quality. Reality is I wouldn’t see Johnson as anything other than a back up. I guess I just don’t see any real potential

I guess my point is, if Johnson is the answer then i really don’t know what the question is. Or maybe it is as simple as looking at any decent young HG player.

Of course if we get him in hoping he proves me wrong but I got to be honest, off the bat I would be pretty disappointed with this transfer considering who we have just sold.

 

[Tucker]

Gil is yet to prove he can cut it in the PL.

I don't think he ever will tbh.

Think he could do well as an out and out winger in this system. In a similar way to how Perisic has been operating.

 

[Stamford]

If you read up thread and find @Now it's Spursonal post on it, it kind of makes sense due to his close control and movement in the box.

I’m not keen on him, but the reasoning kind of made sense. Just got to hope there’s some kind of method to the madness.

thanks will read that post. Can't say I'm not slightly worried

 

[King of the Lane]

There are far better CFs and RWFs out there, that typically would be more suited to an Ange team too. It really is an odd link imo.

 

[Jiminio]

There are far better CFs and RWFs out there, that typically would be more suited to an Ange team too. It really is an odd link imo.

Is it? Was linked with us and scouted before Forest came up. Paritici scouted him and Spence, think likely we’d have gone for him if they hadn’t got promoted. So is a player we’ve tracked and seemingly liked for a long time. Also helps us with home grown presumably

 

[Jiminio]

To be clear, nothing I’ve seen in him makes me think he’s worth anything like that fee but not surprised if we go for him as seemingly someone we’ve wanted for a while

 

[Danny1]

Looking honestly at Johnson, he is fast, knows how to score goals, has good physical attributes, and is only 22.

More than anything else, if Ange wants him then I trust his judgement and will welcome him if he joins.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

There are far better CFs and RWFs out there, that typically would be more suited to an Ange team too. It really is an odd link imo.

Out of interest what RWf’s are more suited to an Postecoglu team either going by names or attributes?. Because from what I’ve seen he’s had different types of wide forwards/wingers in his teams. I would actually say Johnson Is more something that he would like to compliment what we have at the moment. full backs cutting in, a wide player being able to go on the outside, stretching the pitch and getting in behind. I would say wingers that like to drift inside would be a weird link as that’s basically what all our forwards/wingers do at the moment

 

[G Ron]

Just looking at data without context is meaningless.

Why are we looking at his goals scored & assists and making direct assessment as if , he played in his pro career in teams that dominate.

Johnson teams been Lincoln City , Forest & Wales. Club in PL or his country don’t play great football . He feeds of scraps.

Championship season Forest did play reasonably good football for the level & he scored 16 goals as 19 yr old.

For me he comes across as a good forward who can cross well as well as finish well .

When it mattered the most he turned up for Forest. Forest would not have got promoted without him nor would they have survived in PL last season. Time & again he drove them forward riding tackles

I think if he plays in a possession heavy attacking side he will produce lot more & not less.
This is becaus he is technically very good and a good ball striker. His passes received stat should go up automatically, which should then accentuate his numbers in final third

He got benched for much of the run in as he wasn’t cutting it and so I disagree with him being pivotal in their survival.

Fails the stats and eye test for me