Player Watch Player Watch: Brennan Johnson

[Trix]

If he performs than I’m sure it will be framed by the fanbase as good scouting and and excellent pick by Ange.

If he doesn’t live up to expectations then it will be put down to another ‘Levy buy’ foisted on a subservient manager.

The narrative is already being formed here.

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out, and this might represent a significant chance of achieving this.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

 

[Hercules]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is resistance but everyone understands we need outs.
Sorry Trix, I have to join forces with you here. I am in total agreement
My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

 

[JayB]

I think the main reason is he’s home grown. We need to balance the squad in that regard, currently it’s all over the place.

So people can bellyache about Williams, or Levy or whatever they want to pin on this to have a moan, but at the end of the day we still need to bring in some home grown players.

If we waste £50m on a winger who does not represent a substantial upgrade on our current options simply because he’s HG, it will be a disgrace.

We can manage the HG numbers through our own academy, pilfering other academies (Devine, Ashley Phillips), promising young players bought on reasonable fees from the Championship and/or clubs relegated from the PL (Sess), or established players whose contracts are running down (Maddison, Eze next summer).

There is absolutely no reason to pay massively over the odds for a HG player unless the manager is demanding the signing as crucially important to his plans. In other words, we should never be paying hugely inflated fees solely to make up the HG numbers.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

This is completely unsurprising.

 

[Locotoro]

Is he in demand, though? Dont think anyone else is even taking a glance at him besides Spurs. To me this is a Levy opportunistic push rather than the footballing people actually wanting him.

Forest in FFP trouble? Check. Can use unwanted player to lower price? Check. Johnson not fitting the profile of what we need? Check. Data not showing there is even a gem somewhere in there? Check.

I believe I read that one of Brentford or Brighton had bids rejected for him (not sure which).
That's why this is so confusing. What are they seeing that us common folk are not seeing

 

[Hercules]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out, and this might represent a significant chance of achieving this.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

Messed it up. I have to come in board with you Trix. I agree with you

 

[GutBucket]

Looks a lot better than Gordon was for Everton who is doing well for Newcastle now. My copium at least.

 

[spursfan77]

I think the main reason is he’s home grown. We need to balance the squad in that regard, currently it’s all over the place.

So people can bellyache about Williams, or Levy or whatever they want to pin on this to have a moan, but at the end of the day we still need to bring in some home grown players.

Agree. And if we can get rid of some of the players we want then equally great but swap deals rarely happen. Sanchez’s agent in France apparently so he’s probably not even going to Forest, Regullion interesting Fulham and nobody else linked with going there. If we buy him for £40 million and nobody moves there in the opposite direction then let’s see the narrative.

Last week of the window, lots can occur, let’s see what happens at the end of it. I’m of the opinion for the last fortnight that we’ve left it too late to bring people in, because clubs won’t let their good players leave this late in the window and that won’t change.

 

[JayB]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out, and this might represent a significant chance of achieving this.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

If there is interest in the deadwood from other clubs, then move the deadwood on to those clubs and back Ange with his preferred targets.

It’s incredibly simple FFS. As canny as Levy is with respect to finances, it amazes me that he cannot grasp the costs that his interference in footballing matters has imposed on the club.

 

[Flobadob]

Looks a lot better than Gordon was for Everton who is doing well for Newcastle now. My copium at least.

They signed him for a reason, he’s got a lot of talent. Mostly he’s rapid though.

 

[KirstyG]

I’m not sold on this - primarily because this feels like it would be competition for Kulu rather than Richarlison, and I really like Kulu. Has a footballing intelligence that adds a lot. It’s taking a little time to adapt to Ange, but I think he’ll come good.
His reading of Udogie’s play for the second goal showed him thinking a second ahead of anyone else on the pitch.
Other than Maddison I can’t think of another player on our team who I’d trust to pick out a player in the box and play it into their path.
Think an out and out CF is much more important.

I like Kulu too BUT he is slowing things down at times (same with Son). We need some pacy competition with some knowledge of EPL there and I’m case injuries raise their heads.
The club will try and be creative in their deals I’m sure.

Edit: just seen ITK. The bare mum is Ange must Want them tho otherwise it’s a no from me and should be the same from the club.

 

[jpascavitz]

There does seem to be too many moving pieces but we shall see. Seems a promising player who does work hard. At least no attitude issue.

But maybe due to the high price and other moving parts then we will move to other targets

 

[arunspurs]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out, and this might represent a significant chance of achieving this.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

If what you say is true, in that, club mgmt is pushing so they can get rid of 1 or 2 to Forest... then for me, more chance of this deal happening than not happening.

 

[arunspurs]

If its Johnson or Orban, I would rather bet on Orban. Orban has the x factor for me. But if we land Johnson, I am not against it - I do see him as a good fit to the system and believe he can go up several notches in a more progressive system like us.

 

[wiggo24]

Whatever happens this is not the case. If he comes and does well it's one the board have got right. If he doesn't it's another they've got wrong.

I'm now 100% sure of this.

Let's see how it plays out, but Ange would prefer numerous others so there is some resistance from some including Gabannini, but everyone understands we need certain players out, and this might represent a significant chance of achieving this.

My opinion on this is it doesn't happen because there are too many moving parts for it to come off and there is interest in the players Forrest would take from other clubs.


*As I've said I'd be very clear what is itk and what isn't. The part in bold is ITK the rest is opinion.

Think this has been very obviously the case since this link came out, and would not be a surprise at all. I know people love to moan that threads are getting over-run with criticism of Levy but that's only because he keeps doing shit like this which deserves critique.

We've just sold our captain, talisman and best player. Fortunately, Levy seems to have got the manager decision spot on and we've started well under Ange. There are no excuses not to back him with a couple of quality players to actually elevate our starting XI. None at all. Based on either data or the eye test, Johnson doesn't do that imo.

 

[Trix]

If what you say is true, in that, club mgmt is pushing so they can get rid of 1 or 2 to Forest... then for me, more chance of this deal happening than not happening.

More to it than that. Players going the other way need to agree and not prefer to go elsewhere where the money doesn't add up for us. Then it's a case of lining up all the fee's to suit both clubs etc. Multi player deals are always a pain even if they are all listed as seperate transactions. With how long that's left in the window it won't be easy.

On top of that the player identification team are pushing other options. Could get pretty messy. Best case scenario is we sell elsewhere and buy someone different, but then I don't want him, so I accept that might not be best case in everyone's eyes.

 

[Nanky_1988]

You nailed it

Levy meddling again … just what we want!

 

[phieffect]

Messed it up. I have to come in board with you Trix. I agree with you

You did say that Ange rated him. I guess that's something even if it is a board signing

 

[Flobadob]

More to it than that. Players going the other way need to agree and not prefer to go elsewhere where the money doesn't add up for us. Then it's a case of lining up all the fee's to suit both clubs etc. Multi player deals are always a pain even if they are all listed as seperate transactions. With how long that's left in the window it won't be easy.

On top of that the player identification team are pushing other options. Could get pretty messy. Best case scenario is we sell elsewhere and buy someone different, but then I don't want him, so I accept that might not be best case in everyone's eyes.

We should be trusting our “player identification team” as you call them. They’ve turned out some gems in the last couple years since they’ve arrived here. If they are pushing others instead we should be listening and I’ll be interested to find out who they are if they get into the media

 

[Hercules]

You did say that Ange rated him. I guess that's something even if it is a board signing

I did, but not his preferred. Things evolve…