Player Watch Player Watch: Cristian Romero

[fishhhandaricecake]

it’s a lazy point. Madrid had superstars in most positions. They could have played most games with 9 men and still won. They could afford Ramos no show. We can’t. Otherwise it’s Dier.

I don’t think it’s a lazy point but I do agree with all of your points that it’s not a like for like comparison.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I think you’re all over reacting imo.

If there is anyone who is overreacting it’s Romero

 

[arunspurs]

I think you’re all over reacting imo.

Hows it overreacting ?
If Romero was given a red today, most wouldnt be able to say it wasnt.

He is a class player but he is also a problem.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I don’t think it’s a lazy point but I do agree with all of your points that it’s not a like for like comparison.

Sorry. Lazy comparison and I r that gets used all the time. Comparing current spurs team and Romero to Ramos era RM is just nuts.

like comparing non league to Spurs if r you will.

 

[Trent Crimm]

If there is anyone who is overreacting it’s Romero

I’m not overreaching, your overreacting hahaha

 

[ultimateloner]

To be fair this is a very good point, Ramos was sent off 28 times in his career! 2nd most of any player.

He was also absolutely world class one of the best CB’s ever defensively and offensively in the other box.

I suppose the question is do we think Romero is valuable enough to us in a trade off for his continued recklessness and also if so can we seriously up our squad depth at CB to having at least 4 top top CB’s and one good youth prospect as Madrid have also typically had far better and deeper squads than we do and they always go deep in all cup competitions.

I dislike Ramos. What he did to Salah was inexcusable. I think it was deliberate too. I wouldn't want a defender with that mindset anywhere near this club, regardless of ability.
Therefore for me it's no trade-off. Red cards every now and again is ok. Deliberately injuring others is not negotiable.

 

[thebenjamin]

He went the first 6 games of the season without giving a foul away

 

[Tonio]

Hows it overreacting ?
If Romero was given a red today, most wouldnt be able to say it wasnt.

He is a class player but he is also a problem.

But he wasn’t given a red so you’re all getting your knickers in a twist over nothing.
class player yes and he’d be sorely missed if he was sold as some are advocating for.

 

[Yid-ol]

Hows it overreacting ?
If Romero was given a red today, most wouldnt be able to say it wasnt.

He is a class player but he is also a problem.

But he didn't, all the moans are "what if". We won, his tackle was poor, but no where near a red, the slip once the new astle player moved his foot made it look worse.

Again, it's no where near as bad as some of the similar tackles since Romero's red card, and none of those were close to a red also.

 

[arunspurs]

Ramos is a great comparison to Romero.

Ramos was in great team, so his learning curve was quicker. He couldnt afford to keep making same mistakes.
Romero is the big fish in our little pond and seems no big heads around can control or guide him.

So unlike Ramos, I dont see Romero learning from his mistakes.

 

[Trent Crimm]

He went the first 6 games of the season without giving a foul away

Which is why the other elements of his game are soooo frustrating.

 

[Cambridge Spur]

Madrid did ok with Ramos.

Don't get me wrong I wish he would tone those challenges down a bit but take out his aggression and he'd be a shadow of the player he is.

His aggression is his greatest strength but also his biggest weakness. He could easily have been sent off today which would have been another 4 game suspension. He’s on 4 yellows so one away from another game suspension. He could easily miss a dozen games through ill discipline which is a huge concern considering he is our best defender. At the very least we need to sign a top quality defender who can come in when he is unavailable.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I love Romero, I love Ange, but the gaffer needs to have a stern word to him. Be aggressive, but not needlessly reckless.

I get the feeling that Ange would let the team take of that, it sounds like he leaves the dressing room to deal with such issues, its them that Romero would be letting down if he got another red card.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Romero card stats in his two longest club spells:
Tottenham: 76 apps, 25 yellows, 4 reds
Genoa: 60 apps, 26 yellows, 3 reds
total: 136 apps, 51 yellows, 7 reds

It’s not great reading but the worrying thing is he doesn’t seem to be learning or changing.

Lets compare Romero to 2-3 top CB’s of a similar age and quality at top4 rival teams:

Saliba:
Arsenal 55apps, 5 yellows, 0 reds
Marseille 52 apps, 7 yellows, 0 reds
St Etiene 36 apps, 2 yellows, 0 reds
Total: 143 apps, 14 yellows, 0 reds

Ruben Dias:
Man City 153 apps, 20 yellows, 0 reds

Heck even take VVD’s whole time at Liverpool! 237 apps, 17 yellows, 1 red

There are plenty of top quality CB’s who aren’t as much of a liability.

He’ll cost us too often and he needs to tone it down (which I hope he does as I love him as a player otherwise), otherwise personally I’d be looking to sell and buy another CB in the profile of VDV for RCB (and ofc improve our CB depth quality regardless with 1-2 new other CB signings.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

His aggression is his greatest strength but also his biggest weakness. He could easily have been sent off today which would have been another 4 game suspension. He’s on 4 yellows so one away from another game suspension. He could easily miss a dozen games through ill discipline which is a huge concern considering he is our best defender. At the very least we need to sign a top quality defender who can come in when he is unavailable.

The thing is it’s not just the games missed but the negative energy it brings to the group, the disruption it brings to our positive momentum and also to a defence set of 4 playing consistent games together and building partnerships etc.

If it was unlucky slightly mistimed tackles here or there you could excuse it but these are totally reckless unnessercary seriously bad tackles and actions which will cost him and us.

 

[arunspurs]

But he didn't, all the moans are "what if". We won, his tackle was poor, but no where near a red, the slip once the new astle player moved his foot made it look worse.

Again, it's no where near as bad as some of the similar tackles since Romero's red card, and none of those were close to a red also.

You can all want to argue , there is no ifs & buts.
Fact is, even on Chelsea game, the tackle itself wasnt a red. It was the kick out at Chelsea player minutes before had the cummulative effect.

Every yellow, every bad tackles adds to his bad reputation
Bad reputation brings attracts more yellow. Romero already is a easy target for refs & commentators

Whether you like it or not, all these things matters. He is on 4 yellows now. Another yellow , he misses one more game - back to Emerson Davies CB partnership

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

We have Van Der Ven who is top top class and isn’t constantly reckless, we had Toby & Jan who were top class and weren’t consistently reckless etc etc.

Imo there are plenty of top level defenders out there so Romero needs to shape up or ship out. I’d take a defender of a very slightly lower level if I knew they wouldn’t be running the risk of missing around 10 games a season just for suspension alone.

 

[tooey]

He needs to be wiser in terms of the type of challenges he makes but I don't want him to lose his bite, his aggression and gamesmanship are what make him great in the first place.

 

[Dazza86]

He knew he nearly fucked up today.

Usually he slinks away after a bad challenge like nothing happened. Today he made himself immediately visible. Something of a learning curve.

It was the second kick out that I didn’t like though. He was late to the ball initially but then instinctively tripped Wilson up with his other foot as he was standing up. That’s an instant yellow. Almost two yellows in one challenge. Needs to be careful.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

You can all want to argue , there is no ifs & buts.
Fact is, even on Chelsea game, the tackle itself wasnt a red. It was the kick out at Chelsea player minutes before had the cummulative effect.

Every yellow, every bad tackles adds to his bad reputation
Bad reputation brings attracts more yellow. Romero already is a easy target for refs & commentators

Whether you like it or not, all these things matters. He is on 4 yellows now. Another yellow , he misses one more game - back to Emerson Davies CB partnership

His tackle in the Chelsea game was a red, his action before that could’ve also been a red, yes he is gaining a reputation but it’s not like the refs are picking on him or something, he is bringing all of this on himself.

He got sent off 3 times in 60 games at Genoa and 20+ yellows so this is nothing new.