Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[AtoubaToothpaste]

If those stats are worked out as 'per 90 minutes.

That's a completely different argument and certainly not one I was making. I was not defending Moura. He had a poor game. I was only using the stats to show that Lo Celso did not in any way, shape, or form, change the game, or give anyone a schooling in anything. I agree that had Lo Celso played the full 90 he may have been more effective than Moura in this game. But, for me, Lo Celso has had far fewer positive impacts on games than Moura (though I'm not necessarily going to go argue that Moura is a world beater).

 

[Aphex]

Concerned about him but will give him this season. If he continues to be rubbish I'd sell next summer on top of Winks and Sissoko etc

 

[ralphs bald spot]

This whole thread just highlights how fucking impatient fans are. It frustrates the fuck out of me tbh.

In GLC's only consistent run the team during the beginning of Mourinho's tenure he was one of our shining lights. Since then he has been extremely unlucky with injuries and fitness.

He has only been back in training a few weeks and played one match in a cobbled together team in the Conference league. And made a couple of sub appearances in the league as a right wing forward (which is clearly not his favoured position). He is clearly still building match sharpness and fitness.

He is one of our only (Ndombele being the other but he obviously wants to leave) midfield players who is able to take the ball in tight spaces on the half turn and progress the ball up the pitch. He is tenacious, skillful, and can see a pass. It's ridiculous fans writing him off already. But yeah carry on with your impatience and then just look stupid when you're doing u-turns later on in the season.

he has been with us two years how patient do you want to be - you say he takes the ball in tight spaces I would say that he doesn't do that at all his passing is safe he rarely tries anything ambitious which is fine but he doesn't dictate games he certainly offers little going forward and not a huge amount defensively - I think he is alright but nothing more he doesn't really have a position where he does he fit into a midfield?

Last season the midfield apart from Hojberg was awful lacking energy, terribly pedestrian couldn't keep the ball didn't affect the game at either end of the pitch rand Lo Celso was a big part of that if the intention is to have a high energy midfield with higher work rater I don't see where Lo Celso fits in

 

[Neon_Knight_]

That's a completely different argument and certainly not one I was making. I was not defending Moura. He had a poor game. I was only using the stats to show that Lo Celso did not in any way, shape, or form, change the game, or give anyone a schooling in anything. I agree that had Lo Celso played the full 90 he may have been more effective than Moura in this game. But, for me, Lo Celso has had far fewer positive impacts on games than Moura (though I'm not necessarily going to go argue that Moura is a world beater).

In my opinion, both have had a couple of spells (not isolated games) as our best player, but neither has shown the consistency/output I would like to see. Moura - more goals/assists needed. Lo Celso - needs to consistently perform as he did June-October 2020 (I thought he was really good post-lockdown and at the start of last season, between two long spells out injured).

 

[gnuelwerdna]

he has been with us two years how patient do you want to be - you say he takes the ball in tight spaces I would say that he doesn't do that at all his passing is safe he rarely tries anything ambitious which is fine but he doesn't dictate games he certainly offers little going forward and not a huge amount defensively - I think he is alright but nothing more he doesn't really have a position where he does he fit into a midfield?

Last season the midfield apart from Hojberg was awful lacking energy, terribly pedestrian couldn't keep the ball didn't affect the game at either end of the pitch rand Lo Celso was a big part of that if the intention is to have a high energy midfield with higher work rater I don't see where Lo Celso fits in

He has been with us for two years but the first year he was good. He had done all the things you mentioned above and carried the team almost on his own for many matches.

The second year was bad but in actual you have only watched him for 1/4 season. First 1/3, he just came back from injury and was not the first 11. And he played well in the rare start vs Arsenal. Then he was injured until the final 1/4 season. Why would he be responsible for last season's midfield issues?

It is of course impatient to assess him based on the 7 games in the end of the season that we might have already given up plus 2 of 3 recent games (the Arsenal game is good).

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

He is chronically one footed and lacking pace to really stamp any authority on a game.. He's decent but there are lots of more effective players in his position at competitor clubs.

 

[Gbspurs]

He is chronically one footed and lacking pace to really stamp any authority on a game.. He's decent but there are lots of more effective players in his position at competitor clubs.

It's tricky. I'd say you could list the key attributes of a footballer and ask yourself "does Gio excel at this?" and the answer would be no or not really for pretty much all of them!

 

[ralphs bald spot]

He has been with us for two years but the first year he was good. He had done all the things you mentioned above and carried the team almost on his own for many matches.

The second year was bad but in actual you have only watched him for 1/4 season. First 1/3, he just came back from injury and was not the first 11. And he played well in the rare start vs Arsenal. Then he was injured until the final 1/4 season. Why would he be responsible for last season's midfield issues?

It is of course impatient to assess him based on the 7 games in the end of the season that we might have already given up plus 2 of 3 recent games (the Arsenal game is good).

I don't see what you see at all I thought the first year was alright nothing more but he hasn't progressed at all. I certainly don't see a player who could carry a side he jut isn't that good . He played about half the games last season and was just average what other top 10 premier sides would he get into?

I am not judging him on seven games at all i am judging him over two seasons as player I don't see what he offers and I don't see where he fits into a side especially if you play a 3 because one thing he certainly isn't is athletic enough

 

[JerryGarcia]

For me Lo Celso has the skill, vision and passing range to be a starter for us but his time here has seen multiple managers with different tactics and he's been hampered by injuries. If he can just get some consistency in his best position I think we'll see the player we hoped we were getting. If he doesn't improve or keeps getting injured then I'd get rid but he's surely worth persisting with.

 

[THOWIG]

He was outstanding in the copa America. Not sure what happens to him when he puts on a Spurs shirt.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

For me Lo Celso has the skill, vision and passing range to be a starter for us but his time here has seen multiple managers with different tactics and he's been hampered by injuries. If he can just get some consistency in his best position I think we'll see the player we hoped we were getting. If he doesn't improve or keeps getting injured then I'd get rid but he's surely worth persisting with.

what is his best position ? Not being funny or anything but after a couple of years I am not sure

 

[Coolbury]

He was outstanding in the copa America. Not sure what happens to him when he puts on a Spurs shirt.

Question is how does international football compare to the Premier League football , personally I would back an in form Man City or Chelsea to beat most of the world's international teams.


PS. Many players have looked great in international matches but cannot always reproduce in PL consistently , Giovani dos Santos sometimes looked brilliant in world cups playing for Mexico but couldn't do it in PL, Sissoko player of the tournament in Euros 2016 has had one very good season for us but normally gets slated .

 

[Spursmatty87]

what is his best position ? Not being funny or anything but after a couple of years I am not sure

Bench.

 

[fortworthspur]

he's quality, it just hasnt happened for him here yet, for several reasons.

 

[Tucker]

He is chronically one footed and lacking pace to really stamp any authority on a game.. He's decent but there are lots of more effective players in his position at competitor clubs.

Nothing against you, but this is a pet hate of mine. You never hear people moaning about right footed players being one footed. When do we ever see Hojbjerg, Lucas, Winks, Dier, Tanganga, or Dele using their left foot?

The only ones who regularly use their weaker foot are Kane and Son, and they are praised for being two footed as if it’s something special (because it is something special.) Most left footed players like GLC, Lamela, Reguilon, and Lloris are not really any different from the majority of right footed players in that they almost always look to use their stronger foot if they can.

 

[HedgieSpur]

he's quality, it just hasnt happened for him here yet, for several reasons.

The top players MAKE it happen. I feel that we are still waiting for that to happen with him.

 

[Jamturk]

He was outstanding in the copa America. Not sure what happens to him when he puts on a Spurs shirt.

Shit football directed by shit coaches is what happens.

Lo,celso, Ndombele are players for possession based teams, we are not that since Poch was sacked.

I can't believe that we have appointed another low block counter manager

 

[septicsac]

he's quality, it just hasnt happened for him here yet, for several reasons.

Sorry but how long does he want to make it happen? If he is quality he needs to start showing it.

 

[Jamturk]

The great Luka Modric would have been the same under these tactics.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I can't believe that we have appointed another low block counter manager

I don't think Nuno is as bad as Mourinho for this kind of football. There is definitely a plan in possession that is more than just hoof it down the line.

I want to see how we set up against teams who park the bus against us before making too many judgements. As those are the matches we need a real ball-playing tempo-setter in midfield such as Lo Celso (or Ndombele). If he's expecting to just counter those sides as well it could be a problem...