Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[barry]

Lamela was worth it for me. Happy he played at our club. He got Tottenham

 

[ButchCassidy]

Romero and Deki will be up there as well as soon as we trigger their clauses. Prices have inflated so much over the last decade that we’ll probably have six or seven new names on that list in a few years, even 37m for Davinson doesn’t feel like that big of a fee anymore.

 

[the yid]

I was ready to die on the hill saying that Lo Celso and Ndombele would come good but I gave up shortly before they were loaned out.

It's crazy how badly we spend money, how many of our top 10 signings by fee paid have even worked out?

#	player	Age	Nat.	Season	Left	Fee
1	Tanguy Ndombélé Central Midfield	22		19/20	Olympique Lyon Ligue 1	£54.00m
2	Davinson Sánchez Centre-Back	21		17/18	Ajax Eredivisie	£37.80m
3	Moussa Sissoko Central Midfield	27		16/17	Newcastle Championship	£31.50m
4	Giovani Lo Celso Central Midfield	24		20/21	Real Betis LaLiga	£28.80m
5	Steven Bergwijn Left Winger	22		19/20	PSV Eindhoven Eredivisie	£27.00m
6	Roberto Soldado Centre-Forward	28		13/14	Valencia LaLiga	£27.00m
7	Sergio Reguilón Left-Back	23		20/21	Real Madrid LaLiga	£27.00m
8	Erik Lamela Right Winger	21		13/14	AS Roma Serie A	£27.00m
9	Heung-min Son Left Winger	23		15/16	Bay. Leverkusen Bundesliga	£27.00m
10	Lucas Moura Right Winger	25		17/18	Paris SG Ligue 1	£25.56m

I'd say 1 and 3/4s have worked out

 

[Snarfalicious]

Hate comparing Lamela to Lo Celso. One gave their all whenever fit/able, the other really gave us nothing.

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Hate comparing Lamela to Lo Celso. One gave their all whenever fit/able, the other really gave us nothing.

One could actually cross and pass the ball, take free kicks and corners, and function as a central playmaker.

And no, it wasn't the player who we bought as a CAM.

Lo Celso was the most disappointing passer and playmaker I have ever seen for a 'creative' midfielder. In a Spurs shirt, Gio was legitimately worse than Lewis Holtby at every facet of playmaking. It's maddening because he clearly can turn it on for Argentina and in Spain as well. Never here.

 

[glacierSpurs]

TBH the moment GLC and Ndombele left for loans last season they were already as good as departures for me. Unbelievable they are still here...

 

[coy-spurs1882]

GLC has missed a total of 45 games since he has arrived at spurs through injury.

Added to this he has a record of 1 goal and 3 assists in 55 games in the premier league.

Comparing to some random players...

Serge aurier - 77 games, 12 assists, 5 goals.

But he's an attacking full back I hear you say.

Ok stat of the day, Ben Davies has a better goal and assist ratio per game than GLC in the premier league.

Take the money and run. I would even argue that he has been a bigger flop than Tanguy.

This season he has been 'ok' for Villarreal. If they spend anywhere near 20m we have got incredibly lucky.

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In fact apart from one season with Betis where he scored 8 goals, he has done next to nothing in his club career.

To this day I'm not really sure what type of player he is. He is not a goalscorer, he doesn't make assists and he is not a defensive player.

The argument could be made to say he is a player that sets the tempo and pass before the pass player. A Silva or Modric type player, but he has never been anywhere near those players levels.

From memory he had a few promising games under José and he is certainly decent for Argentina, but for what we spent on him it is nothing short of an absolute waste of money.

Bergwijn, lo Celso and ndombele our three biggest signings pre paratici and they all could be argued for worst signing of the century so far. All three have had injury/fitness problems, all three have failed to settle and all three will probably go this year.

There is talent in all three players but none of them have adapted to the premier league. Talk about bad scouting. What is it 100m on those three players? And if we recoup half of that we will have done well.

Argentinian Harry Winks

 

[DodgyLasagne]

Argentinian Harry Winks

Winks never had the talent, though. Maybe he showed promise but his core competencies were basically being a busy **** and providing sensible, if not expansive, passing. He was essentially a water carrier even at his 'peak' level of play.

If he was tougher and better defensively this would be perfectly fine. Obviously the ankle injury set him back, and he is decidedly softer than toilet paper both physically and mentally. But the point is that he never had the talent to be much more.

Lo Celso. What a frustrating fucker. Christ. Tanguy is obviously the walking personification of 'lazy waste of talent' but Lo Celso might even be more maddening, due to the fact that Tanguy is much more easily explainable. He just didn't give a fuck about being a professional at the highest level, and he was homesick. It isn't great, but it's not a mystery or confusing. And when he flashed talent, it was brilliant and undeniable. He has easily produced some of the most magical moments I've ever seen from a player in our shirt, even his biggest detractors could not argue that point. He had the talent, without doubt. Just no desire or discipline.

Lo Celso though... he just kind of sucked, and couldn't stay healthy. He forgot how to take any dead ball, ran into more blind alleys than Lucas Moura, and generally found himself incapable of doing anything well offensively. His best strengths were slide tackling and the occasional Europa League poacher goal. He dribbled though players but only in low stakes situations. His decision making was consistently wrong. His passing was not accurate or inspired. He looked like a left back attempting to play CM. And then you see him with Argentina and he looks world bloody class.

What in god's name happened there? It isn't anywhere near as explainable as Winks or N'Dombele.

 

[Teemu]

I was ready to die on the hill saying that Lo Celso and Ndombele would come good but I gave up shortly before they were loaned out.

It's crazy how badly we spend money, how many of our top 10 signings by fee paid have even worked out?

#	player	Age	Nat.	Season	Left	Fee
1	Tanguy Ndombélé Central Midfield	22		19/20	Olympique Lyon Ligue 1	£54.00m
2	Davinson Sánchez Centre-Back	21		17/18	Ajax Eredivisie	£37.80m
3	Moussa Sissoko Central Midfield	27		16/17	Newcastle Championship	£31.50m
4	Giovani Lo Celso Central Midfield	24		20/21	Real Betis LaLiga	£28.80m
5	Steven Bergwijn Left Winger	22		19/20	PSV Eindhoven Eredivisie	£27.00m
6	Roberto Soldado Centre-Forward	28		13/14	Valencia LaLiga	£27.00m
7	Sergio Reguilón Left-Back	23		20/21	Real Madrid LaLiga	£27.00m
8	Erik Lamela Right Winger	21		13/14	AS Roma Serie A	£27.00m
9	Heung-min Son Left Winger	23		15/16	Bay. Leverkusen Bundesliga	£27.00m
10	Lucas Moura Right Winger	25		17/18	Paris SG Ligue 1	£25.56m

Son obviously, but Moura, Sanchez, Lamela and Sissoko all played big roles in our most successful side in living memory.

I accept that none of those four (with the exception of possibly Moura) has quite lived up to the transfer fee, but they’re absolutely not flops in the Ndombele/Soldado category.

 

[Marvinspur]

GLC has missed a total of 45 games since he has arrived at spurs through injury.

Added to this he has a record of 1 goal and 3 assists in 55 games in the premier league.

Comparing to some random players...

Serge aurier - 77 games, 12 assists, 5 goals.

But he's an attacking full back I hear you say.

Ok stat of the day, Ben Davies has a better goal and assist ratio per game than GLC in the premier league.

Take the money and run. I would even argue that he has been a bigger flop than Tanguy.

This season he has been 'ok' for Villarreal. If they spend anywhere near 20m we have got incredibly lucky.

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In fact apart from one season with Betis where he scored 8 goals, he has done next to nothing in his club career.

To this day I'm not really sure what type of player he is. He is not a goalscorer, he doesn't make assists and he is not a defensive player.

The argument could be made to say he is a player that sets the tempo and pass before the pass player. A Silva or Modric type player, but he has never been anywhere near those players levels.

From memory he had a few promising games under José and he is certainly decent for Argentina, but for what we spent on him it is nothing short of an absolute waste of money.

Bergwijn, lo Celso and ndombele our three biggest signings pre paratici and they all could be argued for worst signing of the century so far. All three have had injury/fitness problems, all three have failed to settle and all three will probably go this year.

There is talent in all three players but none of them have adapted to the premier league. Talk about bad scouting. What is it 100m on those three players? And if we recoup half of that we will have done well.

I think he was bought with an expectation, at least from fans, that he is a passer who knits play up. But hes not that and never has been. He is more of a ball carrier who is able to hold the ball and drive it forward. I actually think part of the problem was buying him and ndombele together when they basically serve a similar role and I don't think its possible to have a functioning midfield with both of them in it. At least Lo Celso has a bit of grift in him. Hasn't worked for sure

 

[Marvinspur]

Son obviously, but Moura, Sanchez, Lamela and Sissoko all played big roles in our most successful side in living memory.

I accept that none of those four (with the exception of possibly Moura) has quite lived up to the transfer fee, but they’re absolutely not flops in the Ndombele/Soldado category.

Lets be honest from 25milion now you couldn't buy an attacking player to warm your bench. Our biggest transfers are skewed because we just haven't made that many deals recently and player inflation is huge. Granit Xhaka would be our second highest all time transfer on that list! (Arsenals 7th). To put it in comparison Sissoko would be Arsenals 11th highest all time transfer. I'm using Arsenal because they are in an economically similar position to us. Richer teams have even more extreme results. For united Sissoko would be their 23rd highest transfer with Lindelof and Schneiderlin. Both bought around the same time.

The only big transfers here are Ndombele, and at the time Soldado and Lamela. So two big flops and one mild disappointment. That said I dont think this is that unusual Pépé (72 mil)and Pogba (95mil) are arsenals and United's biggest signings respectively.

So yeah I agree fully. Not flops.

 

[littlewilly]

Lamela will get a hero's welcome whenever he returns to the Lane for the rest of his life. He's part of the folklore.

 

[arunspurs]

Tottenham have received offers for LoCelso from Atletico Madrid, Seville & Villareal

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Tottenham have received offers for LoCelso from Atletico Madrid, Seville & Villareal

whoever this guy is seems to throw a lot of shit and see how much of it sticks.

 

[arunspurs]

whoever this guy is seems to throw a lot of shit and see how much of it sticks.

He is followed by @Glongari

lets see....

 

[SpartanSpur]

Ideally we need a bidding war on Lo Celso. Even if just to gain more leverage over Villarreal on a possible move for Torres.

 

[tobi]

He was excellent at Betis and the signing made sense on paper but he joined at the wrong time and apart from a brief good spell under Jose he was very disappointing.

In hindsight his game isn't suited to this league (no shame in that).

 

[archiewasking]

Ideally we need a bidding war on Lo Celso. Even if just to gain more leverage over Villarreal on a possible move for Torres.

Bidding war sounds great.

 

[rossdapep]

He was excellent at Betis and the signing made sense on paper but he joined at the wrong time and apart from a brief good spell under Jose he was very disappointing.

In hindsight his game isn't suited to this league (no shame in that).

Think Poch had marked him for either the AM at the peak of his diamond formation or on the right or left of the centre of the diamond.

I'm still not convinced Poch knew what he was doing with that although I think Lo Celso works better in a team that presses high.

 

[Nice One Cyril]

Hate comparing Lamela to Lo Celso. One gave their all whenever fit/able, the other really gave us nothing.

Lamela cared about the club, and the fans cared about him.