Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[Nayim60yards]

This is a huge loss. His shot stopping is second to none.

That Saka effort was a cross so I guess him falling backwards for no reason is not counted in this category

 

[Gilzeanking]

I'm with those who are ready to trust FF.

I remember in a recent match a forward getting thru for a one on one and making a good shot on goal...but then an enormous FF leg stretched out & blocked it. A very big goalie can be comforting and I'm hoping he's a success.

 

[PaulM]

I think we might have a different idea of inspiring. Obviously Hugo’s driving offence wasn’t his finest hour by a long stretch, but I hardly hold up Keane - who smashed Haalands leg to smithereens intentionally (and then dedicated multiple pages of his autobiography to it), criticised his own fans, walked out on his team mates days before their World Cup, was sent off on his first game as Ireland captain and was arrested multiple times (usually for scrapping) as an inspiration because he shouted a bit and won a few cups.

Hugo is without a doubt having a poor season, but we can’t write off how important he’s been for us for over a decade along with his key role for the French team (reaching 2 WC and 1 Euros final) and being a long-standing captain for them. One drink driving offence (as despicable as that is) doesn’t override the fact that he has been an inspiration - if we based inspirational footballers purely on winning things then we write off the majority of players.

Roy Keane always gets trotted out as some sort of benchmark for captaincy or will to win. He was nothing of the sort. Roy always did what suited Roy. When that was winning football games, he was brilliant at it. But when Roy had a vendetta, he didn't give two f**ks about his team or winning.

Cases in point.

1-1 Manchester derby against Man City. The game is in the balance. Roy has an old score to settle. Rather than trying to win the game, he instead gets himself deliberately sent off trying to injure an opponent. He didn't give two f**ks about winning what is arguably the most important game of the season for his team mates and supporters.

1-1 v Sunderland. Game finely poised at the start of the season. Keane has a vendetta to settle with Jason McAteer over the Saipan incident. Again, no thought is given to what's best for his team or how costly 2 dropped points might be at the end of the season. Keane throws an elbow in McAteer's face and gets sent off.

Keane wasn't a model professional or inspirational captain. He had a strong personality and iron will and used that to always do what was best for Roy. And if you want to have a go at Hugo for his drink driving, and he's fair game for it, you could have a go at Keane for his drinking in his early years at Man U. If I'm not mistaken, he admitted to being off the pace in that game v Leeds where he got injured trying to kick Haaland because he'd been on the piss.

Entertaining pundit, great player, intelligent man, horrible human being.

 

[Singaspursofsixspence]

What’s Brad Friedel doing nowadays?

are we actually allowed to sign any out of contract Goalkeepers?

 

[theShiznit]

What’s Brad Friedel doing nowadays?

are we actually allowed to sign any out of contract Goalkeepers?

Yes we can sign out of contract players...
"Erik the Viking...!"

 

[Freddie]

Roy Keane always gets trotted out as some sort of benchmark for captaincy or will to win. He was nothing of the sort. Roy always did what suited Roy. When that was winning football games, he was brilliant at it. But when Roy had a vendetta, he didn't give two f**ks about his team or winning.

Cases in point.

1-1 Manchester derby against Man City. The game is in the balance. Roy has an old score to settle. Rather than trying to win the game, he instead gets himself deliberately sent off trying to injure an opponent. He didn't give two f**ks about winning what is arguably the most important game of the season for his team mates and supporters.

1-1 v Sunderland. Game finely poised at the start of the season. Keane has a vendetta to settle with Jason McAteer over the Saipan incident. Again, no thought is given to what's best for his team or how costly 2 dropped points might be at the end of the season. Keane throws an elbow in McAteer's face and gets sent off.

Keane wasn't a model professional or inspirational captain. He had a strong personality and iron will and used that to always do what was best for Roy. And if you want to have a go at Hugo for his drink driving, and he's fair game for it, you could have a go at Keane for his drinking in his early years at Man U. If I'm not mistaken, he admitted to being off the pace in that game v Leeds where he got injured trying to kick Haaland because he'd been on the piss.

Entertaining pundit, great player, intelligent man, horrible human being.

I'm not sure how you can question Roy Keane being the benchmark for his will to win. He absolutely was. He won 7 Premier League titles, many as captain, through sheer determination and desire. He was in numerous PFA teams of the year despite (by his own admission) not having that much talent. How did he hold his own in that United side for so many years? Yes of course he is a flawed human and let other things get the better of him on occasions but as a captain I can't think of many who would get the best out of his team mates as well as he did.

Hugo has been a great keeper for us but I can't think of many qualities he has that make him a good captain, and I'm afraid it's shown in our biggest games where we've come to the pitch looking flat, uninspired and disinterested. Of course that's not all on him but I can't imagine Keane captaining a team that showed those traits. He HAS been a great club captain and represents the club's values with great dignity off the pitch, but on it he's represented our 'nice', 'nearly', 'meek' mentality.

 

[PaulM]

I'm not sure how you can question Roy Keane being the benchmark for his will to win. He absolutely was. He won 7 Premier League titles, many as captain, through sheer determination and desire. He was in numerous PFA teams of the year despite (by his own admission) not having that much talent. How did he hold his own in that United side for so many years? Yes of course he is a flawed human and let other things get the better of him on occasions but as a captain I can't think of many who would get the best out of his team mates as well as he did.

Hugo has been a great keeper for us but I can't think of many qualities he has that make him a good captain, and I'm afraid it's shown in our biggest games where we've come to the pitch looking flat, uninspired and disinterested. Of course that's not all on him but I can't imagine Keane captaining a team that showed those traits. He HAS been a great club captain and represents the club's values with great dignity off the pitch, but on it he's represented our 'nice', 'nearly', 'meek' mentality.

I've given two examples. Roy was brilliant at times but only when it suited Roy. When it didn't suit Roy, he pursued his own interests and put himself ahead of his club, team mates and supporters. For me, that's not a great captain - certainly not the way he seems to be portrayed. That's before I even start on how he carried on with Ireland in 2002.

Hugo captained France to the biggest prize in the game and to two other major finals. He must have something in his locker that makes him captain material.

 

[Freddie]

I've given two examples. Roy was brilliant at times but only when it suited Roy. When it didn't suit Roy, he pursued his own interests and put himself ahead of his club, team mates and supporters. For me, that's not a great captain - certainly not the way he seems to be portrayed. That's before I even start on how he carried on with Ireland in 2002.

Hugo captained France to the biggest prize in the game and to two other major finals. He must have something in his locker that makes him captain material.

You're saying Hugo's world cup win (and other losing finals) makes him a good captain but 4 league titles, two FA cups and a champions league don't make Keane a great one? I'd be happy with a captain who who dragged his team to greatness and occasionally got sent off.

 

[PaulM]

You're saying Hugo's world cup win (and other losing finals) makes him a good captain but 4 league titles, two FA cups and a champions league don't make Keane a great one? I'd be happy with a captain who who dragged his team to greatness and occasionally got sent off.

No, I'm saying Keane isn't the benchmark for captains any more than Hugo is.

You could argue that Man Utd won a bunch of titles either side of Keane's captaincy. Was he really as responsible for their trophies as people like to make out? He certainly never dragged them to any trophy. When you have the likes of Stam, Schmeichel, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Yorke and Cole in your team, you stand a much better chance of captaining a team to trophies than if you have any of our sides over the last 10 years.

You could also argue that France hadn't reached a final in 10 years before Euro 2016 and hadn't won anything for 18 years when Hugo captained them to the World Cup. He also captained Tottenham to the Champions League final. Tottenham - a club I wondered if I'd ever even see play in the Champions League for most of my time supporting the club.

Keane was a great captain - had his faults. Hugo is a great captain - has his faults.

 

[Freddie]

No, I'm saying Keane isn't the benchmark for captains any more than Hugo is.

You could argue that Man Utd won a bunch of titles either side of Keane's captaincy. Was he really as responsible for their trophies as people like to make out? He certainly never dragged them to any trophy. When you have the likes of Stam, Schmeichel, Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Yorke and Cole in your team, you stand a much better chance of captaining a team to trophies than if you have any of our sides over the last 10 years.

You could also argue that France hadn't reached a final in 10 years before Euro 2016 and hadn't won anything for 18 years when Hugo captained them to the World Cup. He also captained Tottenham to the Champions League final. Tottenham - a club I wondered if I'd ever even see play in the Champions League for most of my time supporting the club.

Keane was a great captain - had his faults. Hugo is a great captain - has his faults.

Keane was also a big part of those title winning teams before he got the armband himself. It's obviously hard to know how much of an impact a captain has, especially from our armchairs, so we rely a lot on the eye test. I think Lloris got the armband for France because he's a senior, respected player who probably brings calmness to what is often a chaotic dressing room. That in itself has a lot of value. In all honesty I can't see a huge benefit it brought to Spurs. We're too bloody calm as it is! Visually it was clear what Keane brought. He'd barrage his players if they weren't performing, he'd get the ball and drive forward to get his team on the front foot, he'd steam into challenges, he'd score crucial goals (albeit increasingly rarely with age). A goalkeeper can't do a lot of these things and that's also why I don't really like a keeper being captain. But that's my 10 pence worth.

 

[PaulM]

Keane was also a big part of those title winning teams before he got the armband himself. It's obviously hard to know how much of an impact a captain has, especially from our armchairs, so we rely a lot on the eye test. I think Lloris got the armband for France because he's a senior, respected player who probably brings calmness to what is often a chaotic dressing room. That in itself has a lot of value. In all honesty I can't see a huge benefit it brought to Spurs. We're too bloody calm as it is! Visually it was clear what Keane brought. He'd barrage his players if they weren't performing, he'd get the ball and drive forward to get his team on the front foot, he'd steam into challenges, he'd score crucial goals (albeit increasingly rarely with age). A goalkeeper can't do a lot of these things and that's also why I don't really like a keeper being captain. But that's my 10 pence worth.

And that's fair enough. I know I'm in the minority view. I just don't think Keane was as influential a captain as is sometimes made out but his style was very combative so it plays well to that view. Hugo sometimes gets portrayed as some sort of meek wallflower who is lucky to be a captain. We saw in the documentary how he nearly came to blows with Sonny for not tracking back. Sometimes, what we see at games isn't the full story.

But I respect your view and the way you've articulated it. I've just always had a bee in my bonnet when it comes to Keane.

 

[bomberH]

Forster was excellent for Southampton when he came in for them last year so I’m ok with him in goal. But I’d be a lot more comfortable if Lloris was on the bench as back up. If Forster gets injured or suspended, we’ll be in a pretty shit position.

Jennings still works for us and still has the biggest hands in the world, I’d be tempted to have a chat with him. Or get the lawyer from Always Sunny on a short term contact.

 

[C1w8]

Keane was also a big part of those title winning teams before he got the armband himself. It's obviously hard to know how much of an impact a captain has, especially from our armchairs, so we rely a lot on the eye test. I think Lloris got the armband for France because he's a senior, respected player who probably brings calmness to what is often a chaotic dressing room. That in itself has a lot of value. In all honesty I can't see a huge benefit it brought to Spurs. We're too bloody calm as it is! Visually it was clear what Keane brought. He'd barrage his players if they weren't performing, he'd get the ball and drive forward to get his team on the front foot, he'd steam into challenges, he'd score crucial goals (albeit increasingly rarely with age). A goalkeeper can't do a lot of these things and that's also why I don't really like a keeper being captain. But that's my 10 pence worth.

Keane was a great leader with or without an armband. Hugo definitely commands a large degree of respect as a senior leader of our squad, and a top keeper for so many years for club and country.

I dont personally put much weight on the armband. You need leaders in the team, plural, and they wont all wear an armband.

Hugo has been that for us (though obviously undermined by his recent performances) so losing him will be a loss in the leadership stakes and FF wont be able to replace that, but doesnt mean he cant do well.

For me watching FF he looks a bit stiff and obviously a lot less agile than hugo, but he's the best backup we've had in a while so im hoping he can hold the fort.

 

[Silky Skills]

Defend properly and FF will have nothing to do ?

 

[UncleBuck]

I think it’s quite reasonable to try and avoid playing both Austin and Whiteman if we can. The former has played the majority of his professional football in the Danish 2nd tier and the latter was the 2nd keeper last year for a Swedish 1st division team that avoided relegation on the last day of the season.

With Lloris potentially out for 8 weeks it would make sense for me to try and find a more experienced option if possible.

I see it as a positive in terms of our keeper options and how we develop them, look at the lad at Liverpool who is much younger.
I think it’s make or break time for them to step up actually, it’s not like they are kids is it?
If called upon prove yourself, if they don’t then at least we know we need to review how we recruit and develop our aspiring keeper options.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Defend properly and FF will have nothing to do ?

I hope he does not make any errors - not looking forward to seeing: "FFSFF"

 

[TheChosenOne]

Roy Keane always gets trotted out as some sort of benchmark for captaincy or will to win. He was nothing of the sort. Roy always did what suited Roy. When that was winning football games, he was brilliant at it. But when Roy had a vendetta, he didn't give two f**ks about his team or winning.

Cases in point.

1-1 Manchester derby against Man City. The game is in the balance. Roy has an old score to settle. Rather than trying to win the game, he instead gets himself deliberately sent off trying to injure an opponent. He didn't give two f**ks about winning what is arguably the most important game of the season for his team mates and supporters.

1-1 v Sunderland. Game finely poised at the start of the season. Keane has a vendetta to settle with Jason McAteer over the Saipan incident. Again, no thought is given to what's best for his team or how costly 2 dropped points might be at the end of the season. Keane throws an elbow in McAteer's face and gets sent off.

Keane wasn't a model professional or inspirational captain. He had a strong personality and iron will and used that to always do what was best for Roy. And if you want to have a go at Hugo for his drink driving, and he's fair game for it, you could have a go at Keane for his drinking in his early years at Man U. If I'm not mistaken, he admitted to being off the pace in that game v Leeds where he got injured trying to kick Haaland because he'd been on the piss.

Entertaining pundit, great player, intelligent man, horrible human being.

Arrested x2 but never convicted afaik.

He’s a twat for sure though

 

[michaelj70]

Cannot read whole Leicester thread but missed Hugo big time imho
How slow is Foster

 

[Jamturk]

Lloris had his best game of the season today.

Our season crumbled with his knee I'm afraid.

 

[Dazzazzad]

Turns out being able to make saves is also quite important.

None of them were blunders but it just felt like anything not directly at him is going to have a chance.