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He only managed the odd pass and a couple of dummy's over 10 minutes mate, bit of an ask for him to start a full game...
Player Watch: Hugo Lloris
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Look Hugo has had a relatively bad season which is funny because he started off well then had the drink driving fiasco which I think impacted on him far more than any of us would have thought.
I think he also looks exhausted mentally that is. Needs a summer off come back refreshed and play well...
I think he also looks exhausted mentally that is. Needs a summer off come back refreshed and play well...
Coyboy
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Interesting thanks. I saw the errors leading to shots on MOTD and I think that is since August 2016. I wonder how many keepers have played as many games than him in that period, other than De Gea-certainly none of the other top six keepers.
Lloris' passing stats are always good (both for short and long passes), both because the way we play which leads to him making many passes, but also because he's pretty far from terrible when it comes to playing out from the back. There'll always be an element of risk attached to it, but the reason the best teams wont hoof the ball long, is because it's not a good way of building an attack. It's generally a guaranteed way of turning over possession. That's the reason we ourselves press high. To force long balls we can sweep up with ease.
Of course, some times a long ball to get out of jail will be needed, and in some games (like vs. Liverpool) it can be a good idea to bypass the opposition press completely, at least for periods of the game.
Lloris hasn't got the slickest technique, and he does mishit it at times, but reading in here it seems like he's lofting every goal kick into the stand or putting teammates under pressure. We should be able to have a more nuanced debate.
Gazzaniga has had a tendency to hoof the ball long under very little pressure, and even if he does it pretty well, hoofing the ball long in an assured manner is not what Poch wants his keepers to do. He's not been playing much though, so he'd probably improve just by getting more accustomed to playing actual matches.
Of course, some times a long ball to get out of jail will be needed, and in some games (like vs. Liverpool) it can be a good idea to bypass the opposition press completely, at least for periods of the game.
Lloris hasn't got the slickest technique, and he does mishit it at times, but reading in here it seems like he's lofting every goal kick into the stand or putting teammates under pressure. We should be able to have a more nuanced debate.
Gazzaniga has had a tendency to hoof the ball long under very little pressure, and even if he does it pretty well, hoofing the ball long in an assured manner is not what Poch wants his keepers to do. He's not been playing much though, so he'd probably improve just by getting more accustomed to playing actual matches.
Monkey boy
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Anybody that knows anything about Poch knew that there was no way that Hugo would be dropped for tomorrow. Now lets suck it up and get behind him and everyone else tomorrow. Hopefully a few of them will feel like they owe us and put in a monster performance and get us a convincing win.
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When we got Hugo from Lyon, that was a major coup.
He was an incredible shot stopper who eventually became a world class keeper. Few, if any, could pull of the saves he has even if the number of them have been fewer of late. He's been loyal to us as he could have left during the AVB/Sherwood era (though he probably would have if either of those had continued here). Fortunately, we got Poch.
But this "loyalty" may be at the crux of the matter. Although, I place it at Poch's door.
Poch is a terrific man manager. He nurtures players who are willing to buy into his philosophy.
And we've all seen the positive results of him continually placing his confidence in players despite their struggles. But I believe Poch has been loyal, not only to Hugo but to others as well, almost to a fault.
There are numerous prominent & successful managers that would be ruthless enough to drop Lloris after that single mishap. Yet Poch is wise enough to understand that doing so creates further issues with a player's psyche. The fear of being immediately dropped after making a mistake destabilizes a player. Instead of playing fearlessly & expressing his ability, his hope is to not make a mistake. In this regard, he stops playing to the best of his ability. It's unhealthy for the player & consequently for the team.
Poch's system is to retain possession & to play out from the back. If we have the ball, it's harder for the other team to score. Simple.
Some of those stats someone previously posted of Hugo seem impressive but I find very deceiving.
It appears quite evident to many that playing with the ball at his feet isn't the strongest aspect of Hugo's game. He looks uneasy on the ball & his distribution, even without pressure, isn't that great. And when pressured, he's put his teammates in some difficulty on numerous occasions. This doesn't instill much confidence in the rest of the team. You can see it when they have the ball & consider passing it back to him. It's definitely not their first choice from both a tactical & confidence perspective.
Furthermore, Hugo is our captain. He should be a strong character that if he doesn't lead with his word, should at the very least do so by example. And that means to perform at his best at all times & have the backing of his teammates. I feel it's lacking.
IMHO, Hugo has given Poch some opportunities to drop him in the past. There have been a series of costly blunders on & off the field. It wouldn't have been hard for him to say: "Hugo, listen. You're a fantastic keeper but it may be a good time to take a break, breathe, & watch a game from the sidelines. Hopefully this takes the pressure off for a bit."
But Poch knows far better than I what is going on inside that dressing room & within each player's mind.
I can't see Poch dropping him for the Palace game & nor should he. It would be quite demoralizing for Hugo not to lead the team out onto the this new stage. The repercussions could be far greater.
But if there is another blunder I'm almost certain Poch will have him sit. Gazza is competent deputy & is confident on the ball. Those in front of him play differently when he's in net & that bodes well for the team. That uncertainty associated with a pass back is minimized.
I agree with many others that there are more pressing issues that need to be addressed before the keeper. But i can't help believing that the trade off of getting a keeper who is a lesser shot stopper than Hugo but a better ball handler would greatly enhance Poch's system & the team's performance.
My bag of onions.
He was an incredible shot stopper who eventually became a world class keeper. Few, if any, could pull of the saves he has even if the number of them have been fewer of late. He's been loyal to us as he could have left during the AVB/Sherwood era (though he probably would have if either of those had continued here). Fortunately, we got Poch.
But this "loyalty" may be at the crux of the matter. Although, I place it at Poch's door.
Poch is a terrific man manager. He nurtures players who are willing to buy into his philosophy.
And we've all seen the positive results of him continually placing his confidence in players despite their struggles. But I believe Poch has been loyal, not only to Hugo but to others as well, almost to a fault.
There are numerous prominent & successful managers that would be ruthless enough to drop Lloris after that single mishap. Yet Poch is wise enough to understand that doing so creates further issues with a player's psyche. The fear of being immediately dropped after making a mistake destabilizes a player. Instead of playing fearlessly & expressing his ability, his hope is to not make a mistake. In this regard, he stops playing to the best of his ability. It's unhealthy for the player & consequently for the team.
Poch's system is to retain possession & to play out from the back. If we have the ball, it's harder for the other team to score. Simple.
Some of those stats someone previously posted of Hugo seem impressive but I find very deceiving.
It appears quite evident to many that playing with the ball at his feet isn't the strongest aspect of Hugo's game. He looks uneasy on the ball & his distribution, even without pressure, isn't that great. And when pressured, he's put his teammates in some difficulty on numerous occasions. This doesn't instill much confidence in the rest of the team. You can see it when they have the ball & consider passing it back to him. It's definitely not their first choice from both a tactical & confidence perspective.
Furthermore, Hugo is our captain. He should be a strong character that if he doesn't lead with his word, should at the very least do so by example. And that means to perform at his best at all times & have the backing of his teammates. I feel it's lacking.
IMHO, Hugo has given Poch some opportunities to drop him in the past. There have been a series of costly blunders on & off the field. It wouldn't have been hard for him to say: "Hugo, listen. You're a fantastic keeper but it may be a good time to take a break, breathe, & watch a game from the sidelines. Hopefully this takes the pressure off for a bit."
But Poch knows far better than I what is going on inside that dressing room & within each player's mind.
I can't see Poch dropping him for the Palace game & nor should he. It would be quite demoralizing for Hugo not to lead the team out onto the this new stage. The repercussions could be far greater.
But if there is another blunder I'm almost certain Poch will have him sit. Gazza is competent deputy & is confident on the ball. Those in front of him play differently when he's in net & that bodes well for the team. That uncertainty associated with a pass back is minimized.
I agree with many others that there are more pressing issues that need to be addressed before the keeper. But i can't help believing that the trade off of getting a keeper who is a lesser shot stopper than Hugo but a better ball handler would greatly enhance Poch's system & the team's performance.
My bag of onions.
Blake Griffin
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it's a small sample size but his performances so far in a spurs shirt haven't shown that to be the case. whether he could replicate that level as 1st choice i don't know but i imagine that had he come with a higher reputation/price tag then more would be open to the possibility.
nailsy
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Lloris just doesn't look as confident these days. I'm not sure if it's a cause or consequence of the mistakes. Maybe we should try bringing in an additional goalkeeping coach, or helping him with the psychological aspects of the game before writing off a player who should be coming into his peak now.
CoopsieDeadpool
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No matter what, everyone lucky enough to be at that stadium tomorrow night MUST get behind Lloris & make him feel some love.
That is what Michael Owen was eluding to the other week when he got slammed on here for saying supporters can make a difference.
That is what Michael Owen was eluding to the other week when he got slammed on here for saying supporters can make a difference.
Krule
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We've been having to suck that much up lately we may as well name the ground the Dyson Stadium if we lose tomorrow.
Desperately need a convincing win to get us sorted. God bless Wolves tonight.
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AnotherSpursFan
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You people use stats when its convenient for you. When the stats goes against your argument, you say stats are pile of shit.
I give up
Being a goalkeeper and a dad of goalkeepers, most definitely ??This sounds like a goalkeeper's dad talking
Always Offside
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Really ? We pass out from the back most of the time. That requires Hugo to pass 20 odd yards to a defender. I'm surprised it's not higher.
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The kicking/distribution thing is a lazy myth used by our fans.
Krule
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If anybody is wondering how long Poch will stay faithful having Hugo as our keeper....take a look at this...
BBC News - Israeli, 73, breaks world’s oldest footballer record
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47835245
I make that only another 40 years to go.
BBC News - Israeli, 73, breaks world’s oldest footballer record
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-47835245
I make that only another 40 years to go.
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