Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

[H-SF]

Lloris had a good tournament but let’s be honest we all knew Argentina were winning the shootout. Lloris is pretty pathetic at saving penalties (and yes, I know he saved a flurry in 18/19). Too small and never really asserts himself like Martinez does so well. This might be unpopular if we go to penalties at some point on our UCL run this year I’d want us to bring Forster on. Nevertheless great achievement becoming France’s most capped player and hopefully he end his Spurs career in style with the FA CUP or the UCL this season.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Lloris had a good tournament but let’s be honest we all knew Argentina were winning the shootout. Lloris is pretty pathetic at saving penalties (and yes, I know he saved a flurry in 18/19). Too small and never really asserts himself like Martinez does so well. This might be unpopular if we go to penalties at some point on our UCL run this year I’d want us to bring Forster on. Nevertheless great achievement becoming France’s most capped player and hopefully he end his Spurs career in style with the FA CUP or the UCL this season.

Not a bad shout

Fraser Forster - Penalty statistics

This is the penalty statistic of Fraser Forster of Tottenham Hotspur. The page shows how many penalties a player has taken and how many of those were scored.

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

 

[whitesocks]

Aren’t the World Cup balls lighter than the prem ones (ooer)

Are they??

 

[Timbo Tottenham]

Are they??

The official size and weight of a football hasn’t changed since 1872, the only differences between then and now is the materials used and method of making it. For example the old leather balls used to soak up water, but fully waterproofed balls were introduced in the 1960s (although not universally used until the 1980s).

Sorry, but it really annoys me when I see this every time a new ball comes out.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I feel utterly sorry for him. So sad neither the goalkeeping coach at Spurs nor the French camp trained him enough for penalties all these years. Perhaps it's on hindsight now, but if only he could anticipate that wee bit later for both Messi's and Dybala's penalties... Both are perfectly savable..

Lloris a proper Spurs legend nonetheless. Having said that, I hope we can quickly tie down a very capable successor like Dominik Livakovic. He has the look for being one of us I personally feel. ?

 

[spursfan1991]

If they did a top 10 saves of the tournament, Lloris would have had 3. He made to 2 great saves against England and one against Messi yesterday. Legendary keeper, Spurs have been very lucky to had someone as good as him for so long.

 

[cjbyid]

Yeah knew if it went to penalties it was Argentina's day, sorry hugo.

Made some very good saves throughout the game though, had a good tournament.

 

[JCRD]

Of all the players in our current set up the only guy I have so much erm respect and adulation for is Hugo (and Dier actually) - Hugo had a pretty good tournament overall.

They didnt lose the final because of him but yeah felt on one or two penalties he could have done slightly better. I think Argentina having gone through a penalty shoot out in this tournament, actually prep'd them for it, and the fact they never went behind in this game meant they had a few of the penalty takers they would have normally used.

I think Hugo should be proud of leading the team to two finals in succession and his performances was only beaten by the winning keeper.

 

[Chris Finch]

If they did a top 10 saves of the tournament, Lloris would have had 3. He made to 2 great saves against England and one against Messi yesterday. Legendary keeper, Spurs have been very lucky to had someone as good as him for so long.

it'll get forgotten because Messi scored the rebound but the save from Lautaro was world class

 

[C0YS]

Lloris had a good tournament but let’s be honest we all knew Argentina were winning the shootout. Lloris is pretty pathetic at saving penalties (and yes, I know he saved a flurry in 18/19). Too small and never really asserts himself like Martinez does so well. This might be unpopular if we go to penalties at some point on our UCL run this year I’d want us to bring Forster on. Nevertheless great achievement becoming France’s most capped player and hopefully he end his Spurs career in style with the FA CUP or the UCL this season.

Maybe, but only because Forster is an exceptional penalty saver (36% rate). Lloris is about average for penalty saves, used to be bellow average.

He's had a good world cup. Martinez is probably the best keeper in the world at penalty shootouts. There isn't really much to say.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

Of all the players in our current set up the only guy I have so much erm respect and adulation for is Hugo (and Dier actually) - Hugo had a pretty good tournament overall.

They didnt lose the final because of him but yeah felt on one or two penalties he could have done slightly better. I think Argentina having gone through a penalty shoot out in this tournament, actually prep'd them for it, and the fact they never went behind in this game meant they had a few of the penalty takers they would have normally used.

I think Hugo should be proud of leading the team to two finals in succession and his performances was only beaten by the winning keeper.

Why Dier?

 

[JCRD]

Why Dier?

Why Dier? he isnt the most talented so im not suggesting he is this great defender but just think he doesnt toe the party line when he speaks etc. To be honest I dont really have this liking for individual players (although admire their talent), I support the club, but Hugo and Dier I do like listening to them and what they have to say. Nothing more substantial than that really.

 

[danielneeds]

Why Dier?

How can anyone not respect Dier? The guy is an impressive person, and he does his very best on the pitch. He’s not the best defender around, and we need to upgrade him, but will always respect him.

 

[Timberwolf]

I feel utterly sorry for him. So sad neither the goalkeeping coach at Spurs nor the French camp trained him enough for penalties all these years. Perhaps it's on hindsight now, but if only he could anticipate that wee bit later for both Messi's and Dybala's penalties... Both are perfectly savable..

Lloris a proper Spurs legend nonetheless. Having said that, I hope we can quickly tie down a very capable successor like Dominik Livakovic. He has the look for being one of us I personally feel. ?

I don't think it's really something that can be trained in that way as I'm sure Lloris has had plenty of coaching to work on his pens over his long career under multiple goalkeeping coaches.

I'm sure keepers can improve at pens somewhat through coaching and study but, much like natural finishing ability in strikers, some keepers seem to have a natural instinct for saving pens and others are average, regardless of how good they are at other areas of the game.

If it was easy to coach goalkeepers to save pens then every elite keeper would be on a similar level but in reality there's a huge variance in quality.

 

[Joshua shepherd]

How can anyone not respect Dier? The guy is an impressive person, and he does his very best on the pitch. He’s not the best defender around, and we need to upgrade him, but will always respect him.

It wasn't that he said he respected him, it was that out of all of the squad he mentioned he only really had massive respect and adulation for Dier and Lloris, hence the curiosity.

 

[mil1lion]

I remember Gomes doing great in a penalty shootout against us in Europe. He wasn't nearly as good a Lloris though. We have a big job to replace Lloris but so lucky to have him another season. I'm happy to keep him until summer 24 and then look for a replacement (and for Perisic). Just need to get better centre backs alongside Romero next year.

 

[spids]

... if only he could anticipate that wee bit later for both Messi's and Dybala's penalties... Both are perfectly savable..

Sorry but I do not think you understand how someone like Messi takes a penalty. The penalties that Messi took were of utmost skill and nerve - a slow run up and locked eyes with GK (not looking at the ball) and simply put it the other way when the GK moves. If the GK had not moved by the time he is on his downswing he will smash it into the corner (as per one of the earlier rounds) and the GK will have no chance.

When facing a penalty a GK typically has 3 options:

1. Wait until the ball is kicked to see where it goes, and hope to get one poor one they can react to quickly enough. But if they do this they will not get anywhere near any ball kicked into either corner with pace.

2. Look for 'a tell' during the takers approach (after studying taker's body language). This enables the GK to get a split hundredth of a second head start and allows them to reach shots to the corners. This does not help when the player will wait to see what the GK will do (like Messi). This leaves them back in the same situation as #1.

3. Gamble to get the head start and hope they can reach it. If they gamble, the taker (if cool enough) can simply slot it the other way, which is what Messi does.

I used to think that a GK should just stand still for all five and he'll save at least one. Does not work like that though.

IMO, the best option for a GK is #2 - study the opposing penalty takers and identify body language and technique tells. They know each players favoured technique and which side they go to when under pressure. Paul Robinson recently did an interview where he said he used to watch the player kicking foot when placing the ball as for some players they subconsciously angled their foot at that point.

That is why players like Messi are so good - you cannot read him. Kane on the other hand has 3 penalties. His 'go to' is the one where he goes low to the GK's right (his left). He is very good at executing this under pressure (normally) and usually hits the inside of the side netting making it near on impossible for the GK to get to without gambling. He also has the slightly disguised inside of the foot to the opposite corner, and lastly the lift down the middle. Kane always makes his mind up beforehand. It is all down to the GK to guess correctly (1 in 3 chance of going the right way) and that is why Kane hits it so hard , to make it impossible for he GK to reach it in time if he does guess right. With Kane's missed penalty he went for an option he does not usually select - smashed higher into the top corner. And, as expected with a penalty he has rarely used in a pressure situation before, he did not execute at all well.

Interestingly with 'looking for a tell' - with tennis players the elite players often know what type of serve is coming their way based on the way their opponent throws the ball up and angles their feet to jump. Players work endlessly to perfect making their 'throw up' look identical whether going down the middle or out wide. There was a very interesting interview with Agassi where (after he had retired) he said he'd worked out that Boris Becker always stuck his tongue out to the side he would serve as he prepared the serve. Agassi lost their first three meetings before working this out and then went on an eight-match win streak against the Becker once he had him sussed.

 

[easley91]

How can anyone not respect Dier? The guy is an impressive person, and he does his very best on the pitch. He’s not the best defender around, and we need to upgrade him, but will always respect him.

I've respected him ever since he went to protect his brother in the stands.

 

[JCRD]

It wasn't that he said he respected him, it was that out of all of the squad he mentioned he only really had massive respect and adulation for Dier and Lloris, hence the curiosity.

And that is totally understandable. Im weird like that haha

 

[JCRD]

Sorry but I do not think you understand how someone like Messi takes a penalty. The penalties that Messi took were of utmost skill and nerve - a slow run up and locked eyes with GK (not looking at the ball) and simply put it the other way when the GK moves. If the GK had not moved by the time he is on his downswing he will smash it into the corner (as per one of the earlier rounds) and the GK will have no chance.

When facing a penalty a GK typically has 3 options:

1. Wait until the ball is kicked to see where it goes, and hope to get one poor one they can react to quickly enough. But if they do this they will not get anywhere near any ball kicked into either corner with pace.

2. Look for 'a tell' during the takers approach (after studying taker's body language). This enables the GK to get a split hundredth of a second head start and allows them to reach shots to the corners. This does not help when the player will wait to see what the GK will do (like Messi). This leaves them back in the same situation as #1.

3. Gamble to get the head start and hope they can reach it. If they gamble, the taker (if cool enough) can simply slot it the other way, which is what Messi does.

I used to think that a GK should just stand still for all five and he'll save at least one. Does not work like that though.

IMO, the best option for a GK is #2 - study the opposing penalty takers and identify body language and technique tells. They know each players favoured technique and which side they go to when under pressure. Paul Robinson recently did an interview where he said he used to watch the player kicking foot when placing the ball as for some players they subconsciously angled their foot at that point.

That is why players like Messi are so good - you cannot read him. Kane on the other hand has 3 penalties. His 'go to' is the one where he goes low to the GK's right (his left). He is very good at executing this under pressure (normally) and usually hits the inside of the side netting making it near on impossible for the GK to get to without gambling. He also has the slightly disguised inside of the foot to the opposite corner, and lastly the lift down the middle. Kane always makes his mind up beforehand. It is all down to the GK to guess correctly (1 in 3 chance of going the right way) and that is why Kane hits it so hard , to make it impossible for he GK to reach it in time if he does guess right. With Kane's missed penalty he went for an option he does not usually select - smashed higher into the top corner. And, as expected with a penalty he has rarely used in a pressure situation before, he did not execute at all well.

Interestingly with 'looking for a tell' - with tennis players the elite players often know what type of serve is coming their way based on the way their opponent throws the ball up and angles their feet to jump. Players work endlessly to perfect making their 'throw up' look identical whether going down the middle or out wide. There was a very interesting interview with Agassi where (after he had retired) he said he'd worked out that Boris Becker always stuck his tongue out to the side he would serve as he prepared the serve. Agassi lost their first three meetings before working this out and then went on an eight-match win streak against the Becker once he had him sussed.

The standing still is interesting - Ive always felt if they dived/stayed one way for five - they would save at least one.