Player Watch Player Watch: James Maddison

[yido-1989]

Would be a pretty odd if Maddison joined and Kane left.

Yeah I would imagine kane is one of the main reasons why he would come to us.

 

[spurfetto]

Would be like Lineker in and Waddle out all over again, that killed me. Imagine Gazza, Widdley and Lineker all in the same club team, they did it for England but we never got to see them together at the Lane.

Cor, that's a blast from the past but remember it well. So gutted, then trying to work out what stars we would spend the waddle 4 mill on, which was a lot in those days, ended up buying Steve sedgeley!

 

[felmani26]

Would be a pretty odd if Maddison joined and Kane left.

One of your valid criticisms would be the work rate of introducing a Maddison alongside Kane so hypothetically speaking if we had a more industrious striker in Richarlison whilst subsequently allowing us to pursue Scott, would you be in favour of that?

Of course there's more nuance overall but interested to hear your thoughts.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Said our last three managers as we shipped goal after goal...

I think this just shows - its the players, not the managers...

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Would be a pretty odd if Maddison joined and Kane left.

I think the opposite. I think signing Maddison makes it more likely Kane will leave.

First, it's long been said that replacing Kane will take two players - a 9 and a 10. (Richarlison and Maddison).

Second, it's about money - affording Maddison means we need to make some money on player sales, and that has not happened recently.

This seems a lot like the summer we sold Bale - deny, deny, deny, then agree after we get our acquisitions done.

 

[Pochemon94]

I think the opposite. I think signing Maddison makes it more likely Kane will leave.

First, it's long been said that replacing Kane will take two players - a 9 and a 10. (Richarlison and Maddison).

Second, it's about money - affording Maddison means we need to make some money on player sales, and that has not happened recently.

This seems a lot like the summer we sold Bale - deny, deny, deny, then agree after we get our acquisitions done.

if we buy tapsoba and possibly another decent chunk of money player i will start sweating. but just getting maddison with Kane money would be depressing

 

[Nayim60yards]

I think this just shows - its the players, not the managers...

I take the point but only partially agree. You don't play defensive systems with players incapable of it. Get after teams instead of making our defenders have to defend so much. With that much exposure to the ball they are inevitably gonna throw one in.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

if we buy tapsoba and possibly another decent chunk of money player i will start sweating. but just getting maddison with Kane money would be depressing

I am assuming we will spend fairly big on a CB, we already spent ~£50M on Deki and Vicario, with another chunk due for Porro.

A couple of CBs, one starter, one to develop, a winger on top of Maddison, and we would be looking at big transfer outlay.

 

[Nayim60yards]

I think the opposite. I think signing Maddison makes it more likely Kane will leave.

First, it's long been said that replacing Kane will take two players - a 9 and a 10. (Richarlison and Maddison).

Second, it's about money - affording Maddison means we need to make some money on player sales, and that has not happened recently.

This seems a lot like the summer we sold Bale - deny, deny, deny, then agree after we get our acquisitions done.

I cannot agree with this. We have other players who can bring money in the door like Pierre, Tanganga, Lo Celso and we just let Moura go and he was on a healthy wage. I cannot believe we cannot afford to field all three of these players.

 

[Scot-Spur]

I am assuming we will spend fairly big on a CB, we already spent ~£50M on Deki and Vicario, with another chunk due for Porro.

A couple of CBs, one starter, one to develop, a winger on top of Maddison, and we would be looking at big transfer outlay.

We have spent decent money the last few windows and kept him.

He isn’t getting sold for less than 100 mill imo.

 

[McFlash]

I am assuming we will spend fairly big on a CB, we already spent ~£50M on Deki and Vicario, with another chunk due for Porro.

A couple of CBs, one starter, one to develop, a winger on top of Maddison, and we would be looking at big transfer outlay.

The fees are spread out, not in one big chunk and what's to say we hadn't already taken that out of the previous years budgets?
None of us know how the club work their financials but I doubt that those three mean that this window's budget has gone already.

There's no reason why we can't afford to keep Kane and sign Maddison and a CB if we wanted to.

We need to bite the bullet and spend big at some stage, now's a good a time as any.
New manager, new set up and the need to convince Kane to sign, all after a shit season.
If Levy sees CL slipping away, he's got to put his big boy pants on.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

We need to bite the bullet and spend big at some stage, now's a good a time as any.

For reasons that are not entirely clear - we really can't (or won't) spend big. We needed a large cash infusion from ENIC last summer - depending on reports, maybe £50M still left over.

But, needing the cash from ENIC tells me that we don't have the cash flow from operations to continue to spend big - and particularly without European football. Last year we had CL, and still needed money from ENIC.

Again, we are not skint, but Levy is unlikely to take big risks on money now. If we could sell a bit of the deadwood - that would help. But, we have not had much success doing that for several years.

 

[Rosco1984]

For reasons that are not entirely clear - we really can't (or won't) spend big. We needed a large cash infusion from ENIC last summer - depending on reports, maybe £50M still left over.

But, needing the cash from ENIC tells me that we don't have the cash flow from operations to continue to spend big - and particularly without European football. Last year we had CL, and still needed money from ENIC.

Again, we are not skint, but Levy is unlikely to take big risks on money now. If we could sell a bit of the deadwood - that would help. But, we have not had much success doing that for several years.

We didnt have champions league money last year. We do this year you dont receive it until after the competition not when you qualify.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

We didnt have champions league money last year. We do this year you dont receive it until after the competition not when you qualify.

We would have planned for it when setting our budget last year.

I assume that Levy sold Joe on the idea of investing last year based on being in CL, and we would continue to qualify, making it a low-risk investment. I think it would be hard for Levy to go back to Lewis now and ask for more money.

 

[Rosco1984]

We would have planned for it when setting our budget last year.

I assume that Levy sold Joe on the idea of investing last year based on being in CL, and we would continue to qualify, making it a low-risk investment. I think it would be hard for Levy to go back to Lewis now and ask for more money.

He doesn't need to we haven't spent it yet. We spent what was put in and not all of it so what's left of that money + the champions league money is still available to spend AKA we have cashflow. Whether they are willing to spend it now we didn't qualify again is another question but to suggest we don't have cashflow is incorrect.

 

[SUIYHA]

Would be a pretty odd if Maddison joined and Kane left.

Wouldn't be the first time we've done something like that though. Sign Modric but sell Berbatov.

It would be a real shame to not get to see the two of them play together, but actually gives an idea of how we are funding the Maddison deal, and knowing that any replacement CF is going to get compared to Kane and inevitably not be as good, perhaps the smart strategy is to improve creativity in midfield to get more goals from across the front three as opposed to hoping to find someone that can score as many as Kane does.

 

[Styopa]

The Maddison deal seems within our range without having to sell Kane to fund it.

We dropped sixty mill on Richarlison last season, and something like 50 mill the year before on Romero.
In the case of Romero we didn't have Champions League football.

 

[alfie103]

I take the point but only partially agree. You don't play defensive systems with players incapable of it. Get after teams instead of making our defenders have to defend so much. With that much exposure to the ball they are inevitably gonna throw one in.

But if those defenders aren't quick, immobile and/or good at reading the game, they will be even more exposed with less cover

 

[Yid-ol]

The Maddison deal seems within our range without having to sell Kane to fund it.

We dropped sixty mill on Richarlison last season, and something like 50 mill the year before on Romero.
In the case of Romero we didn't have Champions League football.

But we don't pay that price over one year.

So really we paid say 10 million for Romero, then next season 10 million again on Romero and 14million on Richalison. Add on poro and Kulusevski plus others. It starts adding up.

Same will be for outgoings, it's not one lump sum. I am surprised we haven't looked at any loans again so far.

 

[McFlash]

We would have planned for it when setting our budget last year.

I assume that Levy sold Joe on the idea of investing last year based on being in CL, and we would continue to qualify, making it a low-risk investment. I think it would be hard for Levy to go back to Lewis now and ask for more money.

It's all just guesswork, none of us know what our budgets are, or how we set them.
There's money there if we need/want to spend it though, I'm certain of that.
Just look at how much other clubs spend, like Arsenal or even Forest last season, then look at the money our stadium is bringing in.

We're not skint and don't have to go begging to Uncle Joe.