PLAYER WATCH: Soldado

[Spurs_Bear]

Nobody has reported anything in this thread? I just happen to post in here more often than the other threads. I've not been in the Ade thread for ages and I've not been in the lamela thread at all I don't think. If you're upset by something report it. Easy peasy.

Im not upset by anything, not sure Ive reported anything for years. I'm not happy with your fob off response though when the real reason is just abuse of moderator power. The Lamela/Soldado threads are pre-school stuff compared to Adebayor's.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Im not upset by anything, not sure Ive reported anything for years. I'm not happy with your fob off response though when the real reason is just abuse of moderator power. The Lamela/Soldado threads are pre-school stuff compared to Adebayor's.

ok

 

[ajspurs]

I'm afraid I called it first time I saw him. I was shocked at his lack of mobility. He is a calamity to happen every time we are attacked.

I honestly think he would struggle in the championship.

People mocked Dawson but compared to this farmer Dawson is Baresi

In a team that sits deep he wouldn't look as bad. With us playing a high line it's almost suicidal to have him in the centre of our defence. Like someone else said, once the ball and player are away from him there's no coming back, that's it, he may as well just fucking stop and sit on the floor with his legs crossed.

As for Soldado, I honestly think I'd prefer Adebayor to play ahead of him and would rather Adebayor fill that bench spot, if he's performing to good enough level in training first and foremost mind. We can put everything on a plate for Soldado and there's still a high chance he won't score. At least if we gave Adebayor an open goal he'd probably hit the back of the net.

 

[dagraham]

A world class star would probably cost upwards of £40 million before you even factor in wages and the fact that we would struggle to attract a world class star. All we can hope is finding more potential world stars like Modric and Bale, which with the recruitment of Paul Mitchell is presumably the intention.

I'd settle for buying players suited for this league. That would be a good start.

 

[E17yid]

I'd settle for buying players suited for this league. That would be a good start.

Easier said than done.

 

[dagraham]

Easier said than done.

It is if you're in charge of Spurs transfer policy.

 

[E17yid]

It is if you're in charge of Spurs transfer policy.

Wot? Me no understand.

No one will ever know, with any degree of certainty, whether a player who has never played in the EPL will be a sucess or not until you sign them.

Modric is a good example. A few English club turned down the chance to sign him as they didn't think he'd be suited to the EPL

 

[aliyid]

I think I'm going to have to finally give up on Bobby...

We won't ever get our money back on him but he needs to have a fresh start somewhere else to find that spark again. It just hasn't worked for him at Spurs to the point where he now doesn't even try to score a one on one that should be meat and drink for a striker of his quality. It's so sad to see how much it's all affecting him and you can see how much he cares and how he's so low on confidence.

I hope Levy does the right thing and lets him go at the end of the season.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Really wanted it to work out for Bobby, but its never gonna happen for him with us. As for fazio I can't stand him, very very slow and once the ball and player are away from him then there is no comeback. Wouldn't be surprised if both of them move back to Spain in the summer.

I see very little difference in Fazio and Verts. Both make mistakes in similar numbers but if I had to pick 1 to stay it would be Fazio, better in the air and stronger

 

[225]

As for Soldado, I honestly think I'd prefer Adebayor to play ahead of him and would rather Adebayor fill that bench spot, if he's performing to good enough level in training first and foremost mind. We can put everything on a plate for Soldado and there's still a high chance he won't score. At least if we gave Adebayor an open goal he'd probably hit the back of the net.

Possibly, but I think we have to concede that neither of them are suited to the similarities in style that both Poch and AVB play.

 

[Good Doctor M]

I see very little difference in Fazio and Verts. Both make mistakes in similar numbers but if I had to pick 1 to stay it would be Fazio, better in the air and stronger

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[wallyjakeman]

You have to admit that at 1-0 the whole dynamic of the game would have been different and he didn't just miss or mess up a chance, he absolutely completely and utterly fucked up an absolutely golden chance that he had no right to fuck up.
I've never yet said anything abusive or bad about him but sadly its been clear from early on that he wasn't what we believed we'd bought, whether that is style of play, tactics, lack of confidence or just lack of ability it is pretty obvious he was never going to do it for us and I expected him to be gone in the Summer..
I argued the other year that we didn't want Villa because he's a Spanish striker in Spain and would impress in England, sadly Roberto also fits that bill.
I don't hate him or dislike him and he must have been pretty good to score so many goals forValencia but unfortunately I think he's a dead man walking at the lane now.

Maybe it’s due to English not being my first language and me therefor not getting the expression, but I really don’t understand the part about Soldado not ”having the right” to make a mistake? Don’t get me wrong, it’s a huge mistake. But of course he (and every other player) has the right to make mistakes. It seems to me a lot of our supporters, and I don’t mean you especially here worcestersauce, feel almost personally offended by bad performances by our players, hence the abuse in some threads. We all love the club, but it’s not like the players make mistakes intentionally to hurt our feelings and piss us off. They may not love the club like we do, but I’d say they all want the team to succeed just as much as we do.

I often feel like a minority as a Spurs fan, but I find it really difficult disliking anyone of our players as long as they wear our shirt. I don’t want them to leave, no matter how bad they play. I want them to stay and turn it around.

 

[Good Doctor M]

Maybe it’s due to English not being my first language and me therefor not getting the expression, but I really don’t understand the part about Soldado not ”having the right” to make a mistake? Don’t get me wrong, it’s a huge mistake. But of course he (and every other player) has the right to make mistakes. It seems to me a lot of our supporters, and I don’t mean you especially here worcestersauce, feel almost personally offended by bad performances by our players, hence the abuse in some threads. We all love the club, but it’s not like the players make mistakes intentionally to hurt our feelings and piss us off. They may not love the club like we do, but I’d say they all want the team to succeed just as much as we do.

I often feel like a minority as a Spurs fan, but I find it really difficult disliking anyone of our players as long as they wear our shirt. I don’t want them to leave, no matter how bad they play. I want them to stay and turn it around.

You have a better understanding and use of English than most I'd say. And yep, totally agree.

 

[dagraham]

Wot? Me no understand.

No one will ever know, with any degree of certainty, whether a player who has never played in the EPL will be a sucess or not until you sign them.

Modric is a good example. A few English club turned down the chance to sign him as they didn't think he'd be suited to the EPL

You can never be sure and Modric is an example of a player whom many were wrong about.

You can however see that certain players have attributes that are more conducive to our league than others. A striker like Soldado, for example, who has no pace, no strength, poor in the air, can't score from outside the box and relies 100% on service is not really a great fit to play up front on his own in the PL.

Lamela is also weak physically and can't beat a man. Looking at him and Depay for example, it's clear to me who has the better attributes to succeed in this league, despite them both being talented.

And Fazio being brought into a fast paced league in a team that likes the press him up the pitch is not exactly an ideal match either.

You can't always get it right but its the job of our scouting department and the manager/coach and DOF to recognise the players who have the right ingredients, even if their "stats" aren't as good as a different player.

 

[MetalFace D]

Maybe it’s due to English not being my first language and me therefor not getting the expression, but I really don’t understand the part about Soldado not ”having the right” to make a mistake? Don’t get me wrong, it’s a huge mistake. But of course he (and every other player) has the right to make mistakes. It seems to me a lot of our supporters, and I don’t mean you especially here worcestersauce, feel almost personally offended by bad performances by our players, hence the abuse in some threads. We all love the club, but it’s not like the players make mistakes intentionally to hurt our feelings and piss us off. They may not love the club like we do, but I’d say they all want the team to succeed just as much as we do.

I often feel like a minority as a Spurs fan, but I find it really difficult disliking anyone of our players as long as they wear our shirt. I don’t want them to leave, no matter how bad they play. I want them to stay and turn it around.

I agree up until the last paragraph, i honestly don't think he'll score for us again. His confidence is all but gone at this point, i think its best he gets sold in the summer for both parties.

 

[adamsky]

Soldado' mistake was terrible, But Fazio's was as least as bad.

 

[worcestersauce]

Maybe it’s due to English not being my first language and me therefor not getting the expression, but I really don’t understand the part about Soldado not ”having the right” to make a mistake? Don’t get me wrong, it’s a huge mistake. But of course he (and every other player) has the right to make mistakes. It seems to me a lot of our supporters, and I don’t mean you especially here worcestersauce, feel almost personally offended by bad performances by our players, hence the abuse in some threads. We all love the club, but it’s not like the players make mistakes intentionally to hurt our feelings and piss us off. They may not love the club like we do, but I’d say they all want the team to succeed just as much as we do.

I often feel like a minority as a Spurs fan, but I find it really difficult disliking anyone of our players as long as they wear our shirt. I don’t want them to leave, no matter how bad they play. I want them to stay and turn it around.

No problem wallyjakeman it wasn't meant literally its just my turn of phrase, basically I could see no way any professional footballer could mess that up.
I agree with your post otherwise and I don't hate or dislike any of our players, not even Soldado, I really wanted him to succeed but it just hasn't happened and there's no point keeping him here if he's not contributing and I'll wish him luck when he goes.

 

[Good Doctor M]

I agree up until the last paragraph, i honestly don't think he'll score for us again. His confidence is all but gone at this point, i think its best he gets sold in the summer for both parties.

Heart and head isn't it. Pragmatically, I think yes, the strongest argument is that he is sold. But Jesus Christ, what I wouldn't give to see him line up on the first day of next season and smash in a first half hat-trick at the Emirates, finishing with a penalty driven so hard down Szczęsny's throat, they have to scrape off some of the stomach lining still left on the ball before resuming play.

 

[Black]

He never should have started over ade yesterday.

The way poch seems to be managing the squad is very shocking. Players who could and possibly should have played yesterday no where to be seen especially that we have a final on Sunday.

Are we really going to have Bobby on the bench on Sunday? As much as I want the guy to do well every game is like step back for him.

 

[Good Doctor M]

He never should have started over ade yesterday.

The way poch seems to be managing the squad is very shocking. Players who could and possibly should have played yesterday no where to be seen especially that we have a final on Sunday.

Are we really going to have Bobby on the bench on Sunday? As much as I want the guy to do well every game is like step back for him.

In a cup final. And lost because of too players huge cock ups. Poch can't control what a player does on the field to such an extent that you can lay any blame on him for our goals conceded last night. We lost last night because Verts and Fazio had two seperate nightmares.

You can argue that we didn't win because Soldado missed a chance, but neither him nor Poch can take the blame for a defeat.

Arguing that Ade should have played is ludicrous at this point and too easy an argument to make. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Ade's clearly poison - his record speaks for itself. I'm all for defending him when it's warranted, but how can one player lose the confidence of so many managers without being a bit of a bad egg when he feels like it. The Chelsea and Arsenal games showed, beyond doubt that we're better when there is squad unity. If Ade is a threat to that, then he stays home, I don't care who we're playing. Anyone that can't see that, is kidding themselves.