Flobadob
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This is crazy! The gap he’s carved out there is mind boggling. Shows you what you get out of being absolutely two footed. The man buries everything no matter which foot it lands on
Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min
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EighteenEightyTwo
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Any xG for a shot is for the average player, so wouldn't we expect two world class players to be outperforming it? I don't see how it's a flaw in the concept, the metric just illustrates how lethal they are.
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Who else does not understand this XG concept? I feel left out! 
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What really impressed me about yesterday's hattrick was how each goal was a great goal.
Usually with a hattrick, you tend to get one or two goals that are simple, tap in finishes (Ronaldo's against us this season for instance included one tap in). But all 3 of Son's yesterday were great goals. Two were squeezed in off the posts making them un-saveable, and the run and cool finish for his second was quality too. Brilliant hattrick.
Usually with a hattrick, you tend to get one or two goals that are simple, tap in finishes (Ronaldo's against us this season for instance included one tap in). But all 3 of Son's yesterday were great goals. Two were squeezed in off the posts making them un-saveable, and the run and cool finish for his second was quality too. Brilliant hattrick.
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JayB
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I may be wrong but my basic understanding is that every shot is assigned an xG value that is equal to the likelihood of the shot being converted into a goal, based on historical data of shots taken from that spot on the pitch and taking into account the positioning of defenders.Who else does not understand this XG concept? I feel left out!
Say for example that 70% of penalties are converted, a penalty would be worth 0.7 xG. It's a measure of how likely the bang average finisher would be to score based on the quality of the chance. Above-average finishers' goal tallies will exceed their xG, whereas below-average finishers' tallies will be less than their xG.
Son is outperforming the xG of the chances he's getting by a margin that is more than double that of the next best finishers, Kane and Messi. By this metric he's been by far the most clinical finisher in world football over the past 5+ seasons. It's a fucking incredible statistic if that graphic is accurate.
Thanks for that. Does it take into account who is taking the shot? Kane and Sissoko for example taking a shot for the same part of the pitch would have a completely different change of being a goal but if i understand correctly the game xg
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That’s right, the xG of a situation is independent of which player has the opportunity.
xG is a useful metric to determine how frequently a team is creating goal scoring opportunities, and what are the quality of those chances. It also measures an individual player’s ability to get into good goal scoring situations. So it’s not without merit. But it also has its limitations. The ability of the player in question to finish off the chance, the quality of the opposing keeper etc.
Personally i think its a good addition to the stats/analysis, the use in this Son analysis as an example.
Gets a bit of stick when it doesnt reflect the final outcome, but thats not the idea - its trying to illustrate the disparity between the final score and the potential outcome based on historical stats.
Obviously we can look at the villa game with the eye test and see hugo had a blinder and son was absolutely lethal so could easily have been 3-2 villa, but nice to see it quantified.
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That is absolutely unreal. We're so damn lucky to have this guy - proper Spurs legend.
I still think it's amazing that none of the big European clubs have ever come in big for him, or even been strongly linked to him. I just don't get it but it's absolutely fine by me!
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Not at all.
The idea is that it's completely objective and can be applied to any game without taking into account the talent of the players.
It's far from perfect as it's practically impossible to take every single element into account (the body position of the striker, the spin on the ball, the number of defenders in the way, the ability of the keeper) so always should be taken with a pinch of salt, but if you want a snapshot of which team created the best chances in a match, it's a useful tool.
In terms of Son, the xG shows that he's the elite of the elite when it comes to finishing. This was displayed very clearly against Villa, when his first and third goals were very difficult opportunities and had a combined xG of about 0.2, which basically means on average a player only scores both of those shots 10% of the time. Son being Son, he scored them both.
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He is unbelievably clinical. Left or right foot are equally brilliant. It is fine to point out areas he can improve upon however. He can bumble and cough up possession easily, but his goal contributions are unbelievable. Better than I thought. He is hitting top form at the right time of the season.
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I think our famous City away win helps to describe the utility of expected goals. While City was dominant in terms of possession and shots (21 vs 6 shots), Spurs was able to keep City away from really clear cut chances. They scored 2 goals from a penalty and a goal keeping error whereas the other attemps was low probability chances. We only had 6 shots all game but we created 4 big chances and scored from 3 of them.
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Do they take into account if the shot falls to a player’s weaker foot? If so that would definitely be a reason Son and Kane outperform their xG.
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I swear that picture is old because last season I remember sharing an image like that and a big discussion on whether it would catch up with him and this season he's improved it 
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Who else does not understand this XG concept? I feel left out!
I'm blaming Graham Potter.
I'd never fucking heard of XG until that **** was linked with us & the New Manager thread spouted a few pubes.
Fucking XG
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