Player Watch - Steven Bergwijn signs for Ajax

[Spartanspurs]

I think we should stop.

How the hell is a bunch of predicted stats better at determining someone's finishing ability, than actually witnessing someone's finishing ability?

When I literally witness something with my own eyes, that means it's happened. It can't be denied, it can't be questioned. It just is!

That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever been told. You've just got to be arguing for the sake of it, surely?

I can see the argument that for something like finishing stats are better than the eye test. Ultimately with finishing all that really matters is whether the ball goes into the goal, so with a large enough sample size and decent data on the quality of chances it's going to be more accurate than the eye test which can easily be unconsciously biased. For example someone who regularly belts it into the top corner might appear to be a better finisher that someone who regularly puts it low and only just out of reach of the keeper but the stats could tell us the true story that player two actually scores more of their chances.

 

[DiVaio]

I think we should stop.

How the hell is a bunch of predicted stats better at determining someone's finishing ability, than actually witnessing someone's finishing ability?

When I literally witness something with my own eyes, that means it's happened. It can't be denied, it can't be questioned. It just is!

That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever been told. You've just got to be arguing for the sake of it, surely?

Because those predicted stats are calculated using result of thousands similar shots in the past and not like 10 or 20 shots of Bergwijn you might remember? Bergwijn scores more goals than average player is expected from those shots which means he's a good finisher.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Because those predicted stats are calculated using result of thousands similar shots in the past and not like 10 or 20 shots of Bergwijn you might remember? Bergwijn scores more goals than average player is expected from those shots which means he's a good finisher.

I would say his finishing is mixed. He’s scored some that looked tough to do, and missed some easy ones.

You’d hope that means that, somewhere in there, is a good finisher, who needs to get his head straight. Hard to say though.

I wonder what he’s like in training?

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

I can see the argument that for something like finishing stats are better than the eye test. Ultimately with finishing all that really matters is whether the ball goes into the goal, so with a large enough sample size and decent data on the quality of chances it's going to be more accurate than the eye test which can easily be unconsciously biased. For example someone who regularly belts it into the top corner might appear to be a better finisher that someone who regularly puts it low and only just out of reach of the keeper but the stats could tell us the true story that player two actually scores more of their chances.

Stevie unfortunately doesnt put it in the top corner or bottom corner in general , eyes and stats tell you that.

 

[kent brockman]

A good finisher should have put away that one on one against Citeh. Or against the Bindippers. 4 PL goals in 18 months. Just sayin.

 

[robotsonic]

For me he's got great potential as a finisher, but has a touch of the Robbie Keane's about him. If you give him 2-3 seconds to think about what he's going to do then he starts to choke, but seems far better at doing something unexpected and lashing it in. Would love to see him finally overcome his confidence issues and start to back himself. He looks like he gets inside his own head the whole time. City was a better start though. Looked a lot more sure of himself.

 

[worcestersauce]

I still have the feeling that Steven Bergwijn is likely to be leaving, if we bring in the names we know about I definitely think he's the man to make way.

 

[sidford]

Think he fits into the we would rather keep but with lack of interest in other players he might be one we end up selling just to raise funds / trim squad

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Stevie unfortunately doesnt put it in the top corner or bottom corner in general , eyes and stats tell you that.

Yes, but xG says otherwise so you're well wide of the mark ? (like his shooting )

 

[eddiev14]

I’d sell him if we got a good offer for him. Seems like a good lad and he works hard but I just don’t see it happening for him.

We need players in our forward line with the quality to make things happen and score goals if we want to get us back to challenging at the top of the league. Especially if Kane leaves and we have to spread his goals across the team.

 

[bigfrooj]

I’d sell him if we got a good offer for him. Seems like a good lad and he works hard but I just don’t see it happening for him.

We need players in our forward line with the quality to make things happen and score goals if we want to get us back to challenging at the top of the league. Especially if Kane leaves and we have to spread his goals across the team.

You’re assuming we’d go straight out and find a replacement. I like him with reservations - I think he’s playing well within himself - but he’s the best we have in that position at the moment.

 

[Aphex]

He just doesn't score anywhere near enough so he doesn't justify a place in the starting 11. He never seems to get into positions to score either, he has limited chances and then when he gets those chances he misses them.

We can't rely on Son and Kane like last season. Biggest disappointment for me is how we haven't signed any players that will bring more goals for the team. We need a better RWF.

 

[slartibartfast]

For me he's got great potential as a finisher, but has a touch of the Robbie Keane's about him. If you give him 2-3 seconds to think about what he's going to do then he starts to choke, but seems far better at doing something unexpected and lashing it in. Would love to see him finally overcome his confidence issues and start to back himself. He looks like he gets inside his own head the whole time. City was a better start though. Looked a lot more sure of himself.

Oh no you didn't...

 

[guy]

For me he's got great potential as a finisher, but has a touch of the Robbie Keane's about him. If you give him 2-3 seconds to think about what he's going to do then he starts to choke, but seems far better at doing something unexpected and lashing it in. Would love to see him finally overcome his confidence issues and start to back himself. He looks like he gets inside his own head the whole time. City was a better start though. Looked a lot more sure of himself.

Massive insult to Robbie Keane

 

[Stoof]

For me he's got great potential as a finisher, but has a touch of the Robbie Keane's about him.

Mate. 100+ goals.

 

[dtxspurs]

So much potential here

 

[JayB]

I’d accept Ajax’s offer, personally. I do think he has potential but I’ve run out of patience for him

 

[Dazzazzad]

That bit of skill on the touch line was surprising as hell.

 

[ajspurs]

Second half was better and struck a really nice shot in the second half as well as some sublime skill but he shouldn't be a starter. A nice option from the bench for sure.

 

[dtxspurs]

I’d accept Ajax’s offer, personally. I do think he has potential but I’ve run out of patience for him

He’s been pretty good I think the first two games. He was so much better than Lucas today.