Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[cjbyid]

Such a failure of a signing.

I remember watching him for Lyon(was in the city for a few months and went to home games) and being blown away and then couldn't believe we signed him.

So annoying as he's exactly what we need, hopefully we can find a buyer in the next week.

 

[hellava_tough]

I do think people are blowing this out of proportion, understandably as it's about the 4th time there has been similar going ons. In training he has looked happy, has been interacting with the other players like nothing is up and is seen running just as hard as the others in the drills.

I think most likely he got sulky that Serge and Sissoko are surplus to requirements and was indifferent about his future and that has pissed off Nuno who wants PEH/Skipp/New Dele levels of dedication to the cause. It doesn't seem to me that he's downed tools, refused to train or is not fit, he is just too laid back and "cool" to go to that next level. You know Harry Redknapp would be building the team around him and letting him get away with it.

I'm still hopeful he'll have an epiphany and realise how blessed he is to be where he is and not need his friends there to keep him happy but regardless I expect to see him start to be included soon.

We spent around £110m on the deal for him.

We've given him everything he needs to succeed.

He still can't be bothered.

So if you think this is being blown out of proportion, with all due respect, I think you're very much mistaken.

 

[HildoSpur]

I can't wait till this total waste of space is finally out of our club. Guys like him are what is wrong with football right now and the sooner he is out of the dressing room the better.

 

[newbie]

We spent around £110m on the deal for him.

We've given him everything he needs to succeed.

He still can't be bothered.

So if you think this is being blown out of proportion, with all due respect, I think you're very much mistaken.

no you are spot on, his an unfit professional footballer on over 200k a week.

 

[Aphex]

No thread on him but maybe our replacement



The #Milan does not lose sight #RenatoSanches . In case of departure of #Kessie , on which the pressing of the #Tottenham , the midfielder of the #LOSC is at the top of the list of possible substitutes. Situation in evolution.

 

[Clive Wilson]

We spent around £110m on the deal for him.

We've given him everything he needs to succeed.

He still can't be bothered.

So if you think this is being blown out of proportion, with all due respect, I think you're very much mistaken.

Should have been clearer. I don't think people's anger is overblown. I meant his position at the club. I don't think we've seen the last of him in a Spurs shirt.

 

[Daredevil]

A fit and motivated Ndombele changes everything for us. Such a shame.

 

[Hakkz]

No thread on him but maybe our replacement



The #Milan does not lose sight #RenatoSanches . In case of departure of #Kessie , on which the pressing of the #Tottenham , the midfielder of the #LOSC is at the top of the list of possible substitutes. Situation in evolution.

The same Kessie that turned us down according to news on the front page?

 

[Aphex]

The same Kessie that turned us down according to news on the front page?

No idea mate.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I sense what I'm about to write is not necessarily in line with what else has been said in this thread but, in response to the claim in the ITK thread that we failed to do due diligence on Ndombele, I'd just like to point out that we're not exactly what Ndombele signed up for either.

When he signed for Tottenham, he would have had a good long chat with Pochettino about his role, how his style of play would suit our tactics, what we would require of him, how he'd be working with some of the best players on the planet, how our ambition was to go one step further in the Champions League and how the League title was what we really cared about. He'd have thought that this was something he could really get behind and commit to.

Instead, Pochettino left, his successor turned up on his doorstep to personally shame him, our tactics changed from front-foot pressing and attacking football (which we executed poorly) to 'nick a goal and defend for your life' (which we ultimately executed very poorly), our best player wants to leave, we've not seen top four for a couple of seasons let alone challenge for the League and we're in a made-up competition in Europe rather than CL.

Yes, I'd like him to see Nuno's arrival as the opportunity for a fresh challenge, but I sense he's looked at everything in the round and thought 'you know what, I really can't be arsed to go through this again'. As a Spurs fan, I have to say I'm bloody annoyed at this. As someone who's worked in teams which have changed managers several times in a short period of time, with each new one promising 'a clean slate' and 'a new way of working', I can't say I blame him, especially when the latest guy seems to prioritise the one part of the skill set in which Tanguy appears to be deficient.

Given how much we love the club and the level of wages our players draw, I know some of you will want every professional to give 100% every game for every manager, no matter what the tactics or the situation, but it just doesn't happen like that. Jan phoned it in under Sherwood. Kane mouthed 'what's the fucking point' under Mason. I think we have to accept that Ndombele and Nuno won't work and have to hope that Paratici can engineer something that mitigates the loss we'll make, both in terms of talent and money.

I do think Ndombele is largely at fault for what's happened, but, unless you believe Tottenham have been absolutely flawless as a club in his time here, then I think it's fair to say that there's been fault on both sides.

I agree with a lot of this.

Tbh I can imagine he has a high opinion of himself and thinks he should be playing for a champions league team. When he joined us we were seemingly on a upwards trajectory but have since taken a couple of steps back.

Nuno hasn't given any indication that he is unfit or isn't training well. It's more that he doesn't currently have the commitment levels required becasue he wants to move on.

My hope is that he doesn't get a move and just gets his head down and fights his way back into the team. Because if we're going to make it back into the top four we'll need him as a midfield of Skipp/PEH/Dele is not going to get us there.

 

[spursfan77]

Looking back through old posts and lots of us were starting to call him out in December 2019 shortly after he joined. Some people earlier than that. It has been an ongoing problem, probably causing people at the club to go mad on a daily basis. He just needs moving on any way we can, he really does.

 

[Guntz]

No thread on him but maybe our replacement



The #Milan does not lose sight #RenatoSanches . In case of departure of #Kessie , on which the pressing of the #Tottenham , the midfielder of the #LOSC is at the top of the list of possible substitutes. Situation in evolution.

This guy is a WUM who said we were close to appointing Gerrard & Rodgers and that Aurier was off to PSG for £25m.

He knows nothing, so wouldn't take any notice of him.

 

[wrd]

I sense what I'm about to write is not necessarily in line with what else has been said in this thread but, in response to the claim in the ITK thread that we failed to do due diligence on Ndombele, I'd just like to point out that we're not exactly what Ndombele signed up for either.

When he signed for Tottenham, he would have had a good long chat with Pochettino about his role, how his style of play would suit our tactics, what we would require of him, how he'd be working with some of the best players on the planet, how our ambition was to go one step further in the Champions League and how the League title was what we really cared about. He'd have thought that this was something he could really get behind and commit to.

Instead, Pochettino left, his successor turned up on his doorstep to personally shame him, our tactics changed from front-foot pressing and attacking football (which we executed poorly) to 'nick a goal and defend for your life' (which we ultimately executed very poorly), our best player wants to leave, we've not seen top four for a couple of seasons let alone challenge for the League and we're in a made-up competition in Europe rather than CL.

Yes, I'd like him to see Nuno's arrival as the opportunity for a fresh challenge, but I sense he's looked at everything in the round and thought 'you know what, I really can't be arsed to go through this again'. As a Spurs fan, I have to say I'm bloody annoyed at this. As someone who's worked in teams which have changed managers several times in a short period of time, with each new one promising 'a clean slate' and 'a new way of working', I can't say I blame him, especially when the latest guy seems to prioritise the one part of the skill set in which Tanguy appears to be deficient.

Given how much we love the club and the level of wages our players draw, I know some of you will want every professional to give 100% every game for every manager, no matter what the tactics or the situation, but it just doesn't happen like that. Jan phoned it in under Sherwood. Kane mouthed 'what's the fucking point' under Mason. I think we have to accept that Ndombele and Nuno won't work and have to hope that Paratici can engineer something that mitigates the loss we'll make, both in terms of talent and money.

I do think Ndombele is largely at fault for what's happened, but, unless you believe Tottenham have been absolutely flawless as a club in his time here, then I think it's fair to say that there's been fault on both sides.

Fantastic perspective, agree with everything you said.

 

[littlewilly]

It’s always difficult to argue with people who tend to see things in terms of reward leads to performance. Unfortunately, every reputable theory of workforce motivation tends to talk about intrinsic motivators. High wages is not an intrinsic motivator (although not getting $200k can lead to lack of satisfaction if such a reward is not present). Ndombele is almost certainly a complex chap and I wonder how much effort has been put into evaluating what specifically motivates him. I hope he gets this support before his career ends in what could otherwise be considerable dissatisfaction.

Sorry about the gobbledegook. See McGregor, Herzberg, Maslow etc if you’re interested.

 

[dontcallme]

It’s always difficult to argue with people who tend to see things in terms of reward leads to performance. Unfortunately, every reputable theory of workforce motivation tends to talk about intrinsic motivators. High wages is not an intrinsic motivator (although not getting $200k can lead to lack of satisfaction if such a reward is not present). Ndombele is almost certainly a complex chap and I wonder how much effort has been put into evaluating what specifically motivates him. I hope he gets this support before his career ends in what could otherwise be considerable dissatisfaction.

Sorry about the gobbledegook. See McGregor, Herzberg, Maslow etc if you’re interested.

It's certainly an interesting one. There are certain characters who just love football and want to play and be successful. However much they get paid they'll still want to be a successful sportsman.

But there are many who will enjoy being a millionaire and the lifestyle over the sport.

Determining which characters fall into which character is a big factor on determining who to buy.

 

[Whazam]

I sense what I'm about to write is not necessarily in line with what else has been said in this thread but, in response to the claim in the ITK thread that we failed to do due diligence on Ndombele, I'd just like to point out that we're not exactly what Ndombele signed up for either.

When he signed for Tottenham, he would have had a good long chat with Pochettino about his role, how his style of play would suit our tactics, what we would require of him, how he'd be working with some of the best players on the planet, how our ambition was to go one step further in the Champions League and how the League title was what we really cared about. He'd have thought that this was something he could really get behind and commit to.

Instead, Pochettino left, his successor turned up on his doorstep to personally shame him, our tactics changed from front-foot pressing and attacking football (which we executed poorly) to 'nick a goal and defend for your life' (which we ultimately executed very poorly), our best player wants to leave, we've not seen top four for a couple of seasons let alone challenge for the League and we're in a made-up competition in Europe rather than CL.

Yes, I'd like him to see Nuno's arrival as the opportunity for a fresh challenge, but I sense he's looked at everything in the round and thought 'you know what, I really can't be arsed to go through this again'. As a Spurs fan, I have to say I'm bloody annoyed at this. As someone who's worked in teams which have changed managers several times in a short period of time, with each new one promising 'a clean slate' and 'a new way of working', I can't say I blame him, especially when the latest guy seems to prioritise the one part of the skill set in which Tanguy appears to be deficient.

Given how much we love the club and the level of wages our players draw, I know some of you will want every professional to give 100% every game for every manager, no matter what the tactics or the situation, but it just doesn't happen like that. Jan phoned it in under Sherwood. Kane mouthed 'what's the fucking point' under Mason. I think we have to accept that Ndombele and Nuno won't work and have to hope that Paratici can engineer something that mitigates the loss we'll make, both in terms of talent and money.

I do think Ndombele is largely at fault for what's happened, but, unless you believe Tottenham have been absolutely flawless as a club in his time here, then I think it's fair to say that there's been fault on both sides.

Thanks for sharing this POV and reminding people there are two sides to this situation. There's always a lot of negativity in the transfer forum, but no other thread have made me as depressed as this one.

I understand people are done with him and want him gone (even if I don't agree), but the level of vitriol and seemingly hatred towards him, I struggle to fathom. No one has to make excuses for the footballer if they don't want to, but I don't understand why people refuse to at least try to do so for the human being – because that is exactly what he is.

Football is for our entertainment, that doesn't mean the players on the field exist solely for our amusement.

 

[neogenisis]

Bit of a bellend really. Get him out as soon as we can.

 

[DiVaio]

i hope seeing this, and itk from other posters this the final straw for his most ardent supporters. the guy is just a waste of space, has all the talent in the world and just wants to piss it up the wall, id rather keep sissoko around the squad, at least he puts the work in.

This is basically the same ITK about Ndombele as last year about how bad he is in training etc and it didn't turn out to be true at all?

Already posted yesterday, but this is a graph by The Athletic from February when Ndombele played 1172 minutes while Sissoko had 1235.

And there are defensive stats for our midfielders last season(Lo Celso presses a lot) per 90:

Would love to see Sissoko what kind of work he puts in, because it really wasn't a case for last season. Now add what they offers in possession and I don't really see how Ndombele is waste of space(and if we sell him we will get money paid back) but Sissoko isn't with half of his wage.

 

[spurmin]

Bit of a bellend really. Get him out as soon as we can.

I was a bit of a bellend in my early twenty’s. If I was getting that much per week I would definitely be dead.

 

[ukdy]

Just something that came to me, thinking about leaders in the dressing room, and examples being set. One could also surmise that if N'dom sees our best player having a strop and trying to get out of the club... he must think he can do the same - certainly when viewed within the prism of his mental strength and laziness... taking the easy option to force the club to get rid of him.

If he applied himself and wasn't a burdon, even if he didn't want to stay, we'd find it easier to shift him on. Not to Barca, Madrid or Milan... he's having a laugh if he thinks he's good enough for them with that attitude and fitness.

It's a problem entirely of his own making, and he holds the keys to fixing it.