Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[brasil_spur]

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"Ya look a right **** with that thing on your head mate."

 

[SandroClegane]

That photo is all the information offered, the point being to make an amusing or salient comment. Frankly he’s already given me all the information I need to dig him out.

Your comment wasn't amusing or salient.

 

[wrd]

He could've been making eye contact two seconds before or after this photo was taken. Truly incredible the lengths people will go to dig him out.

They're not satisfied with focusing on some actual justifiable reasons to be disappointed with how thing's turned out with him, have to find new and exciting ways to be annoyed about it. As if the contempt for Ndombele wasn't heard loud and clear already.

Personally I hope he smashes it in pre-season and come's good, doesn't mean I think he will but I hope he Ange can bring the absolute best out of him and I think it's worth the risk given that we've already signed Maddison and have a great set of options in midfield as is, we're not reliant on him, so there's little harm in giving him a chance.

 

[djhotspur]

Saudi are buying worse players than him. Come on Saudi give us 20m

 

[SandroClegane]

They're not satisfied with focusing on some actual justifiable reasons to be disappointed with how thing's turned up with him, have to find new and exciting ways to be annoyed about it. As if the contempt for Ndombele wasn't heard loud and clear already.

Personally I hope he smashes it in pre-season and come's good, doesn't mean I think he will but I hope he Ange can bring the absolute best out of him and I think it's worth the risk given that we've already signed Maddison and have a great set of options in midfield as is, we're not reliant on him, so there's little harm in giving him a chance.

I personally hope we sell, but the piling on for literally nothing is ridiculous.

It's really sad to see how spiteful so many of these posts are.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't care about any of the body language experts or social media photos trying to either demonise or support Tanguy.

We need him gone and quickly either way.

 

[wrd]

I personally hope we sell, but the piling on for literally nothing is ridiculous.

It's really sad to see how spiteful so many of these posts are.

I had a convo with my mate who sides with the extreme position on Ndombele but does so just to stir the pot in a good way. He was honest enough to admit that the reason for his anger towards Ndombele was because of how excited he was when we signed him, so I think it is the expectation's had for Tanguy that drives the venom. I had high hopes too but Poch openly said that Tanguy would take a couple of years to develop and then we hired people who were never going to be invested in taking their time with Tanguy, they wanted him to be what they needed him to be, where as Poch spoke about what he could have done with Dembele had he met him a couple of years earlier, so he loved that type of challenge. I think I've benefitted from acknowledging that side of thing's because it's easy to see how it went wrong rather than simply be angry at Ndombele. That's not to say that he isn't responsible for himself and that his lack of effort should be ignored, I think every individual should be self motivated to make things happen but I do look at the decisions as a club we made and see how many players suffered from a club that didn't know what it wanted and that's on the decision makers.

Ndombele like others failed to adapt and so I think it's understandable that people would rather a clean break and start fresh by selling these players, personally I don't think that the amount of value we will get for them outweighs the potential value we could get if Ange take's the risk in certain circumstances, I think Reguilon is another example, Gill being another. I think the risk is worth the potential reward because the safe option won't yield much value basically. If I thought the club were choosing not to buy players and trying to squeeze juice out of lemons that dried long ago instead then I'd have a different opinion but we've already sorted the positions so I don't think in a few of these instances, the club is short changing the manager, they're letting him decide for himself. If they were trying to make Dier and Sanchez work again, I'd have a different opinion.

 

[KirstyG]

I had a convo with my mate who sides with the extreme position on Ndombele but does so just to stir the pot in a good way. He was honest enough to admit that the reason for his anger towards Ndombele was because of how excited he was when we signed him, so I think it is the expectation's had for Tanguy that drives the venom. I had high hopes too but Poch openly said that Tanguy would take a couple of years to develop and then we hired people who were never going to be invested in taking their time with Tanguy, they wanted him to be what they needed him to be, where as Poch spoke about what he could have done with Dembele had he met him a couple of years earlier, so he loved that type of challenge. I think I've benefitted from acknowledging that side of thing's because it's easy to see how it went wrong rather than simply be angry at Ndombele. That's not to say that he isn't responsible for himself and that his lack of effort should be ignored, I think every individual should be self motivated to make things happen but I do look at the decisions as a club we made and see how many players suffered from a club that didn't know what it wanted and that's on the decision makers.

Ndombele like others failed to adapt and so I think it's understandable that people would rather a clean break and start fresh by selling these players, personally I don't think that the amount of value we will get for them outweighs the potential value we could get if Ange take's the risk in certain circumstances, I think Reguilon is another example, Gill being another. I think the risk is worth the potential reward because the safe option won't yield much value basically. If I thought the club were choosing not to buy players and trying to squeeze juice out of lemons that dried long ago instead then I'd have a different opinion but we've already sorted the positions so I don't think in a few of these instances, the club is short changing the manager, they're letting him decide for himself. If they were trying to make Dier and Sanchez work again, I'd have a different opinion.

I think there is a lot of truth in this, I also think though the player needs to show they are worthy of that development and time based on their actions. From an outsider point of view he seems languid at best. We have seen far less talented players who at least “run about a bit”. I don’t know what the answer is because I’ve always hoped something would “click” with him and like they say “it’s the hope that kills you!”

 

[Dannyspur]

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Do you have this in large?

 

[newbie]

This is the first season his been ready here at the start of pre season, i would love him to come good at spurs he is a joy to watch but i don't think he has the hunger, fight to make it at spurs, but he is here at the start of pre season and who knows if he can get fit and give his all he would be one hell of a player!

 

[Japhet]

They're not satisfied with focusing on some actual justifiable reasons to be disappointed with how thing's turned out with him, have to find new and exciting ways to be annoyed about it. As if the contempt for Ndombele wasn't heard loud and clear already.

Personally I hope he smashes it in pre-season and come's good, doesn't mean I think he will but I hope he Ange can bring the absolute best out of him and I think it's worth the risk given that we've already signed Maddison and have a great set of options in midfield as is, we're not reliant on him, so there's little harm in giving him a chance.

Clean slate all round. He's got a chance to graft hard and impress for a few weeks. If he doesn't do it, that's 100% on him. He could be a phenominal player in a team that actually wants to attack and has energy and movement up front. If he's overweight and lethargic in pre season he should be got rid of. The ball is firmly in his court. I'd also add that Mourinho bombed him out - the same Mourinho who said Luke Shaw was too fat to play for Man Utd.

 

[wrd]

I think there is a lot of truth in this, I also think though the player needs to show they are worthy of that development and time based on their actions. From an outsider point of view he seems languid at best. We have seen far less talented players who at least “run about a bit”. I don’t know what the answer is because I’ve always hoped something would “click” with him and like they say “it’s the hope that kills you!”

Completely agree, I said to my friend that the biggest issue with Spurs in recent years is that we try and control everything and don't trust the ball to do the work for us. So in that instance you need a lot of fitness and a person like Ndombele is just going to not put the required effort in, instead of being too harsh I look at it more like, I don't try and force a fish to climb a tree. With Ange, he knows how to make the ball do the work, so if I just choose arbitrary numbers to make the point, I think he needs 4/10 of the fitness needed than working under Conte and Jose.

I think this is the point you're making, he has to show Ange that he's willing to do that 4/10 of fitness because we know Ndombele has the ability to make the ball do the work, my hope is that because that skill is now valued, it will inspire him to get his fitness to that level. Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Ange football doesn't expect people to press etc, I'm saying the sheer amount of effort, arguably mental effort, will be a lot easier for players under Ange than compared to Jose and Conte, I think when you make thing's enjoyable, putting in the same amount of running takes far less effort.

The other aspect I spoke about on weekend was how, it's very infuriating to lose to somebody who doesn't look like they're trying because they're so good, as opposed to a person who overpowers you, least you can see they had to try to put effort in. When you have that style that is designed to look effortless though, when it goes wrong you make your own fans angry and I think somebody needs to have a word with Ndombele about that. If you're going to look languid, be aware that you better pull it off 90% of the time (For example Berbatov, Cantona) or people will get sick of you quickly. People are more forgiving of limited ability but sheer effort, not loads of ability and little effort.

 

[wrd]

Clean slate all round. He's got a chance to graft hard and impress for a few weeks. If he doesn't do it, that's 100% on him. He could be a phenominal player in a team that actually wants to attack and has energy and movement up front. If he's overweight and lethargic in pre season he should be got rid of. The ball is firmly in his court. I'd also add that Mourinho bombed him out - the same Mourinho who said Luke Shaw was too fat to play for Man Utd.

Agreed, I mean we benefit from the fact that pre-season is usually fitness dominated early and then the footballing aspects come through, I know some managers don't like to train without the ball. So it's not like Ange will be needing to wait until deadline day to cast judgement, I imagine at the most, he gets the tour to prove himself. If he fails the first round, he won't get the 2nd half of pre-season chance. If he succeeds in the first half, he'll still need to prove himself second half of pre-season also.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Clean slate all round. He's got a chance to graft hard and impress for a few weeks. If he doesn't do it, that's 100% on him. He could be a phenominal player in a team that actually wants to attack and has energy and movement up front. If he's overweight and lethargic in pre season he should be got rid of. The ball is firmly in his court. I'd also add that Mourinho bombed him out - the same Mourinho who said Luke Shaw was too fat to play for Man Utd.

tbf Mourinho even violated the covid rules so as to try to get him fit before bombing him out

 

[Japhet]

Agreed, I mean we benefit from the fact that pre-season is usually fitness dominated early and then the footballing aspects come through, I know some managers don't like to train without the ball. So it's not like Ange will be needing to wait until deadline day to cast judgement, I imagine at the most, he gets the tour to prove himself. If he fails the first round, he won't get the 2nd half of pre-season chance. If he succeeds in the first half, he'll still need to prove himself second half of pre-season also.

I don't think Ange will take any shit (which is great), so Tanguy either gets his finger out immediately or keeps his bags packed.

 

[wrd]

I don't think Ange will take any shit (which is great), so Tanguy either gets his finger out immediately or keeps his bags packed.

Yep, this is what Fergie mastered, that you didn't want to disappoint him, there's a difference between making a person feel like shit and having no desire to risk themselves for you vs letting a player know they've let you down because you believed in them. So not taking any shit is because of your belief in the player, not because you think poorly of them. Jose to his credit, really tried with Dele and I think he got through to Ndombele in the end but overall he decided to throw the team under the bus and lost the connection.

 

[leelee]

Napoli looking for a CB after selling Min Jae. Hopefully, they'll be looking at Davinson.

 

[punkisback]

tbf Mourinho even violated the covid rules so as to try to get him fit before bombing him out

Mourinho didn’t bomb him out. He was a first team player for him by the end.

 

[spursfan77]

Sounds probably quite accurate. He’s liked in Arabia too!

 

[he is you know!]

Sounds probably quite accurate. He’s liked in Arabia too!

Would take that in a heartbeat. That's about book value and we'd shift the wages.