Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[BENNO]

4 reasons why I’m giving him a break

1) We don’t know shit
2) He’s amazingly talented
3) He’s exactly the type of talent we need
4)He’s unlikely to go anywhere this window

1) We know enough from his physical condition and performances on the pitch to know he's currently a complete waste of space
2) He is the worst player in the PL on the basis of consistent performance levels over 90 mins (although absolutely agree that he has shown enough at his previous club to suggest he is amazingly talented when he wants to be).
3) He would be exactly the type of talent we need if he ever displayed that talent for us.
4) If his attitude hasn't changed from last season then it would be inconceivable that he could be kept around the first team squad,especially when JM has specifically targeted 'winning mentality' players in recent recruitments.

 

[Moonie]

Unless he's still injured

Yeh agree, i kinda meant pre season had started so they would all be going to “work” whether that be medical table/rehab or actual training.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Unless he's still injured

I doubt he was even injured.I would say it was an agreement between him and Mourinho to not play the last couple of games
Or at least he wasnt prepared to sit on the bench for another 2 games

 

[daryl hannah]

This is worth another watch - an exceptionally talented player, but one who just can't be bothered.

This is a hugely significant analysis and the casual match viewer won't have seen this sort of anti-enthusiasm from ndombele. I think it's important for people to watch this to understand exactly what we've ended up with here.

 

[fortworthspur]

dont ever recall so many persistent negative rumors around one player. move him on and get on with things.

 

[E17yid]

1) We know enough from his physical condition and performances on the pitch to know he's currently a complete waste of space
2) He is the worst player in the PL on the basis of consistent performance levels over 90 mins (although absolutely agree that he has shown enough at his previous club to suggest he is amazingly talented when he wants to be).
3) He would be exactly the type of talent we need if he ever displayed that talent for us.
4) If his attitude hasn't changed from last season then it would be inconceivable that he could be kept around the first team squad,especially when JM has specifically targeted 'winning mentality' players in recent recruitments.

Sorry but you first point is not correct imo. Waste of space? You don’t know anything about his condition. You may think you do but you don’t.

We more or less agree on point 2

Point 3 I would just say he wouldn’t exactly be the first young, foreign player with no experience
Of English football to struggle in the first 12 months.

Point 4 If we see another season like last or some evidence other than ITK comes to light then I’ll probably change my stand on it all.

 

[Spurrific]

Sorry but you first point is not correct imo. Waste of space? You don’t know anything about his condition. You may think you do but you don’t.

We more or less agree on point 2

Point 3 I would just say he wouldn’t exactly be the first young, foreign player with no experience
Of English football to struggle in the first 12 months.

Point 4 a If we see another season like last or some evidence other than ITK comes to light then I’ll probably change my stand on it all.

You're not showing anywhere near enough signs of impotent rage, your blood pressure isn't high enough. Do you have a life outside of Spurs or something? Is Spurs and a player that Spurs have signed not the most important thing in your life, you big weirdo?

 

[E17yid]

You're not showing anywhere near enough signs of impotent rage, your blood pressure isn't high enough. Do you have a life outside of Spurs or something? Is Spurs and a player that Spurs have signed not the most important thing in your life, you big weirdo?

Do some work you ****.

 

[Rosco1984]

This is worth another watch - an exceptionally talented player, but one who just can't be bothered.

Unfortunately most people will only see the turn he did on the ball and get a rock on for him. 95% of football is what you do off the ball and he as we saw in so many games does nothing. Modric was a god for us because he was unreal on the ball and never stopped moving off it even in his season where he had already had his head turned when he was on the pitch he ran his ass off that's what makes a world class midfielder not a few good touches.

 

[carpediem991]

4 reasons why I’m giving him a break

1) We don’t know shit
2) He’s amazingly talented
3) He’s exactly the type of talent we need
4)He’s unlikely to go anywhere this window

We know quite a bit when we see that he has played like 50 minutes since the restart even though we had a game basically every three days and our options were basically Sissoko and Winks. I think it is obvious for everyone to see that Jose is not his biggest fan. And thats a problem if you are the (one of the) highest paid players in the club.

 

[Rosco1984]

Sorry but you first point is not correct imo. Waste of space? You don’t know anything about his condition. You may think you do but you don’t.

We more or less agree on point 2

Point 3 I would just say he wouldn’t exactly be the first young, foreign player with no experience
Of English football to struggle in the first 12 months.

Point 4 If we see another season like last or some evidence other than ITK comes to light then I’ll probably change my stand on it all.

Regarding point 1 if his condition is so bad he cant sprint as highlighted by Carragher above then we brought a cripple. Or if his condition is good enough then we brought someone who cant be arsed either way you would say that qualifies as a waste of a spot in the squad right?

 

[Ronwol196061]

dont ever recall so many persistent negative rumors around one player. move him on and get on with things.

Cant see him selling for much now....maybe a swap/trade etc
He has to get some games in nobody will pay close to what we paid,its too risky

 

[McFlash]

Let's not forget, Hugo had more 'sprints' than him in one game.
Our cm was out-sprinted by our keeper.
That's pretty fucking embarrassing, or at least, it should be.

 

[E17yid]

We know quite a bit when we see that he has played like 50 minutes since the restart even though we had a game basically every three days and our options were basically Sissoko and Winks. I think it is obvious for everyone to see that Jose is not his biggest fan. And thats a problem if you are the (one of the) highest paid players in the club.

Its definitely a problem. No arguments from me there. But as you yourself just said, he’s not getting the minutes and I don’t think we can just assume as fans (seeing as we know absolutely fuck all about training or just generally what’s going on off the pitch) that his lack of minutes is because he’s lazy or not committed or he’s not turning up for training or whatever. I accept that all the above could be true but do I know it to be true? Nope. All I know is Mourinho isn’t picking him. That’s it.

 

[fortworthspur]

Cant see him selling for much now....maybe a swap/trade etc
He has to get some games in nobody will pay close to what we paid,its too risky

yup, we got screwed on this one.

 

[E17yid]

Regarding point 1 if his condition is so bad he cant sprint as highlighted by Carragher above then we brought a cripple. Or if his condition is good enough then we brought someone who cant be arsed either way you would say that qualifies as a waste of a spot in the squad right?

I don’t think it’s that simple. You’re also inevitably just going off a very small sample size of games. There could be loads of off the field, even non football related stuff, that could be effecting his work rate. It could just be he’s struggling to adapt which of true then he should be afforded more time. There’s also been games where he’s put in a good shift like that Norwich game.

 

[joey55]

I can see the logic in it and how a lot of clubs would in fact do that but it's Levy we're talking about and going by the reports in the press and ITK over the years, he rarely budges on his price tags for our players. Recently it took 2 season to eventually get shifted of Janssen and GKN for a fee that we were happy with, which wass buttons in comparison to the fee being asked for TND currently.

It's actually perfectly in line with how Levy operates. Look at our previous big money disappointments. They always take a while to shift as Levy isn't prepared to take a loss or wants to minimize the loss. The clubs overall value as a business, is heavily dependent on it's ability to show a profit. So accounting profits and losses are key to the clubs value. This is really why we usually end up keeping our flops for a year or 2 longer than we would like. Even if NDombele isn't in Jose's plans, we will probably end up keeping him for another season or 2, as it will probably take that long for his accounting value to decline sufficiently for it to match the offers we get.

Take Jansen, for example, we could probably have got the 6 mill we received for him, after his first season. Poch wasn't going to use him and would have told Levy he wasn't in his plans. So you'd think "why not take the best offer and cut your losses?" But that would have meant we'd written off about 6 or 7 mill. But by selling him for 6 million, 2 seasons later, we actually made a small accounting profit, despite having to pay wages (when he wasn't on loan.) Wages and depreciation are accounted for. It was a similar situation with Soldado and Paulinho etc. Gomes is a good example, as he even said himself that he simply wasn't allowed to leave, even though we never used him. He had to stay for the entirety of his contract, as Levy wouldn't let him leave on a free and would rather loan him out or keep paying his wages, as it was all accounted for and no one matched his balance sheet value.

So, if Tanguy stays, it's because no one has matched his accounting value and it wont even mean that Jose is prepared to give him a second chance. It's more likely we'll be waiting for his contract to run down a bit, so we can off load him more cheaply. Levy's priority isn't looking to profit on individual players per se, as most of the time, players that are sold at a good profit, tend to be those we'd rather keep. Most other players, that are sold at a profit, are down to market inflation or because they came through the academy or we bought when they were U21. It's actually incredibly rare, to find a senior player, that we didn't want to keep, that we sold for more than what we paid, when you take general transfer market inflation into account.

In fact, I can't think of a single player, that we've sold as our choice, that we've actually profited on. Say we pay 10 mill for a player and then 5 years later get 12 mill for him, in real terms that isn't a profit. In terms of what you can buy for that 12 million compared to what you could buy for 10 million 5 years later, you are almost certainly going to be worse off. Generally speaking, the only way to make money, in real terms, from senior players (signed at 22+), is if they are poached by bigger clubs. Other than the likes of Carrick, Berba and Modric, in real terms, we've made pretty much nothing from selling senior players.

Levy's reputation of treating players like investments to profit from isn't deserved and a bit of a myth. As I said, I can't think of a single player we've signed under Levy, 22 years and over, that we've sold on our own volition and can say we've genuinely made money on in real terms. I don't see why Tanguy would be any different. If we really wanted to keep him and Barca or City came in, Levy wouldn't want to sell and would only let him go if we were massively compensated with a fee far in excess of what we paid for him. But with players we don't mind shifting, he'll accept recouping the investment, minus any depreciation.

 

[thebenjamin]

Aside from Right Back I think our midfield was and is our biggest area of concern. We have been so slow and ponderous for a number of years and we really needed some additions to add some creativity especially since Eriksen has departed. Losing Ndombele only becomes acceptable to me if we see one or two quality replacements coming in.

agree and the fact we're not seeing any serious links to creative players is a real concern. GLC basically is the only real through ball passer we've got and even he isn't someone who can pick a lock consistently in the final 3rd. I do think he's looked better as a number 8. If we don't add serious quality in midfield to break lines with vertical passing, we're going to struggle.

 

[EastLondonYid]

We can fine him a couple of weeks wages every now and then and/or make him train alone or with the kids. Hopefully one of them will stud him on the shins and tell him to grow a pair lol

What he needs is a skipper like Mackay or Roberts to give him a fucking slap.

 

[daryl hannah]

So, if Tanguy stays, it's because no one has matched his accounting value and it wont even mean that Jose is prepared to give him a second chance. It's more likely we'll be waiting for his contract to run down a bit, so we can off load him more cheaply. Levy's priority isn't looking to profit on individual players per se, as most of the time, players that are sold at a good profit, tend to be those we'd rather keep. Most other players, that are sold at a profit, are down to market inflation or because they came through the academy or we bought when they were U21. It's actually incredibly rare, to find a senior player, that we didn't want to keep, that we sold for more than what we paid, when you take general transfer market inflation into account.

In fact, I can't think of a single player, that we've sold as our choice, that we've actually profited on. Say we pay 10 mill for a player and then 5 years later get 12 mill for him, in real terms that isn't a profit. In terms of what you can buy for that 12 million compared to what you could buy for 10 million 5 years later, you are almost certainly going to be worse off. Generally speaking, the only way to make money, in real terms, from senior players (signed at 22+), is if they are poached by bigger clubs. Other than the likes of Carrick, Berba and Modric, in real terms, we've made pretty much nothing from selling senior players.

Levy's reputation of treating players like investments to profit from isn't deserved and a bit of a myth. As I said, I can't think of a single player we've signed under Levy, 22 years and over, that we've sold on our own volition and can say we've genuinely made money on in real terms. I don't see why Tanguy would be any different. If we really wanted to keep him and Barca or City came in, Levy wouldn't want to sell and would only let him go if we were massively compensated with a fee far in excess of what we paid for him. But with players we don't mind shifting, he'll accept recouping the investment, minus any depreciation.

That's not quite true though is it... Walker, is one example at £45m [cost £1m]. Trippier another at £20m [cost £3.5m]. Eriksen another [cost £11m]... (remember at one point Levy was supposedly asking £130m for Eriksen, and then that dropped to £80m, before a final sale of £18m-ish with 6 months left on contract).

I believe if our recruitment was any better we'd have made better cash on a number of other acquisitions, also. As it happens, it's been pretty dreadful, with Njie, Nkoudou, Janssen, Stambouli, Fazio, Chiriches, Llorente, Aurier, Fryers, Soldado... the list of flops goes on and on.

You then have player impairment with the likes of Assou-Ekotto and Adebayor seeing out their contracts.

Vertonghen wanted a new contract but didn't get one.

Academy graduates count as almost pure profit - Townsend, Mason, both around £14m each. Pritchard £8m for example. These are healthy sums and it's all good profit.

I believe if there's a punt to be had or a profit to be made then DL will look to do that first - it's the whole reason so much emphasis is placed on the academy.