Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Mornstar]

I’m really not sure swapping Ndombele for a CB is out greatest idea. Totally get he has been a bellend and Jose may want to shift him, and that’s fine. However there must be a better deal out there for us than a swap for a CB

I dont see what the fuss is with this guy. He was massively overhyped and didn't do anything particularly noticeable. Besides, we have Aurier in our team who can easily cover for him

 

[$hoguN]

Like I said in another thread.
Swap Skriniar for Ndombele.
Raise the funds for VDB by selling Rose, Foyth, CCV, Aurier and one of Lamela or Sissoko.

The club need to consider the overall quality of the squad and not think about losing money on Ndombele

It’s a bit naive to believe it’s all that easy though. Most clubs are fairly skint considering the huge financial losses of this season and the bleak outlook for attendance next season. So teams need to maximise what they get for players whilst finding suitable clubs they will go to and agreeing structure that actually allow that

 

[$hoguN]

I’d,give Ajax Sessegnon in a heartbeat.

Very few players are as capable as Sessgnon though, so why would we give up on such an exciting prospect and why we he agree to go to Ajax

 

[bat-chain]

If I was Levy I'd wait and see how the season pans out. I’m expecting it to go well but if we happen to have an absolute stinker who's to say Mourinho will even be here beyond the season, he'd only have a year left anyway and tends not to hang around.

swapping him for a centre half would be absolutely pointless either way.

This whole saga is so sad, Tanguy has the flair we desperately need, Mourinho should be able to put the work ethic in Ndombele that he clearly needs. They should bloody complete each other.

 

[JohnnyVivas]

Ndombele for Skrinar would be a ridiculously good deal for us given ITK on TN attitude/fitness. Skrinar genuinely one of Europe’s best CB prospects. Ok, it would leave us stacked at CB (Toby / Sanchez / Dier / Skrinar / Tanganga) but you need a bank of good CB to win anything with 60 games a season anyway.

We can use Foyth/Aurier funds to replace Ndombele as Tanganga can fill in RB anyway. If that trade is on, we should make it - Skrinar would be our #1 CB.

 

[Rosco1984]

If I was Levy I'd wait and see how the season pans out. I’m expecting it to go well but if we happen to have an absolute stinker who's to say Mourinho will even be here beyond the season, he'd only have a year left anyway and tends not to hang around.

swapping him for a centre half would be absolutely pointless either way.

This whole saga is so sad, Tanguy has the flair we desperately need, Mourinho should be able to put the work ethic in Ndombele that he clearly needs. They should bloody complete each other.

You cant put work ethic in someone. If you aren't self motivated you will always find an excuse to be lazy. Its a huge shame as people who are lazy don't make it this far unless they are outrageously talented which he obviously is and could be the best midfielder in the world but I could also win the lottery and that wont happen either.

 

[BPR_U16]

Much as want him to succeed here i think we need to get rid.
DL realistic enough to know he has to take a hit on cost but the guy costs us an additional 10m+ a year in salary
If we get offer anything north of 30m we should take it

 

[austinfh]

Swapping for Skriniar is all well and good but there’s not really any indication we’d go for another midfielder and that makes absolutely no sense being even more stacked at centre back without any creativity in our midfield

 

[kent brockman]

Swapping for Skriniar is all well and good but there’s not really any indication we’d go for another midfielder and that makes absolutely no sense being even more stacked at centre back without any creativity in our midfield

If Skriniar would join, I would be happy to sell Sanchez if we would be able to get somewhat decent money for him.

 

[arunspurs]

If I look at few football salary website, says Skriniar only on 30k a week currently, Ndombele is on 200k a week. Even if we triple his salary, we will still save 5m this season. Ofcourse not sure, Inter will give that much salary. So, swap isnt going to be easy. If this has to happen, lot of obstacles will need to be resolved.

From a player perspective, we get one of the top CBs in Europe for his age. We have to invest in a creative player.

 

[JohnnyVivas]

My hunch is we’d get Skrinar in for 50k a week less than Ndom, plus Foyth/Aurier outgoings leaves us ~150k a week and around 25-30m to play with. In this market, you’d hope we could go and find a “creative” player with that kind of money to use.

That’s presuming we do a flat trade and don’t convince Inter to pay-up a bit, which Levy may pull-off as Conte doesn’t fancy Skrinar in his back 3 for some reason... Skrinar/Sanchez has all the hallmarks of a Jose pace/power combo for a few years to come. I’d be buzzing.

 

[idontgetit]

Ndombele for Skrinar would be a ridiculously good deal for us given ITK on TN attitude/fitness. Skrinar genuinely one of Europe’s best CB prospects. Ok, it would leave us stacked at CB (Toby / Sanchez / Dier / Skrinar / Tanganga) but you need a bank of good CB to win anything with 60 games a season anyway.

We can use Foyth/Aurier funds to replace Ndombele as Tanganga can fill in RB anyway. If that trade is on, we should make it - Skrinar would be our #1 CB.

We could also give Tanganga a loan and get him some regular playing time at CB. Toby probably is his last season or two and Dier still has to prove himself as a top class CB.

 

[rossdapep]

It’s a bit naive to believe it’s all that easy though. Most clubs are fairly skint considering the huge financial losses of this season and the bleak outlook for attendance next season. So teams need to maximise what they get for players whilst finding suitable clubs they will go to and agreeing structure that actually allow that

Of course. I certainly agree that it's not easy to pull off just stating that this should be our strategy.

With Doherty coming in we are essentially a CF away from having all the tools at our disposal. However knowing Ndombele is done (based on all reports) we would be light on a CM and a bit of guile in there and I believe the club can't afford to risk hoping we find a buyer.

and when a player like VDB becomes available and you don't exactly need to break the bank, you have to go for it because the alternative could be light on numbers in CM come January. But also because he's a quality player.

I don't believe we need to dip in for a CB or LB as I think we have enough in the squad but if Inter are only preparwd to do a swap for Skriniar we should do it.

I then think next summer we wouldn't need to go on a spending spree.

 

[Albertbarich]

We could also give Tanganga a loan and get him some regular playing time at CB. Toby probably is his last season or two and Dier still has to prove himself as a top class CB.

Id love tanganga to get a chance now. I have been so impressed with him.

 

[JohnnyVivas]

We could also give Tanganga a loan and get him some regular playing time at CB. Toby probably is his last season or two and Dier still has to prove himself as a top class CB.

Could do, but Tanganga showed enough in cup/league games last year to warrant a backup fullback role at least, be nice to keep him in and around the 1st team squad as he will get games (if Aurier goes).

Plus, christ knows with our injury form over the last few years, we’ll probably need a 5th CB at some point...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Did Liverpool struggle to create with a midfield 3 that consisted of any combination from Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Wijnaldum or Keita? The most creative CM option they had was Shaqiri who never played.

There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and much as I love a player dictating CM who can make something out of nothing, if we’re going with a 2 in midfield with a focus on attacking down the wings and overloading in the penalty area, we’ll score plenty with the players we have.

The way Dele seems to be playing in pre season I can see him creating a lot of chances, while Bergwijn is far more creative than he gets credit for and even Lucas is playing with his head up.

The key is getting the ball to these players quickly and in the right positions, which a midfield 2 from Lo Celso,Højbjerg and Winks seems equipped for do without sacrificing the requisite robustness for the system. With Gedson (needs to adapt),Sissoko (not good enough) and White (just potential are this stage) also in the discussion, we’ve plenty of depth there even if in deteriorating quality (as is the case with all clubs), so I’m not sure we’re signing anyone for CM if Ndombele leaves, never mind a similar style player.

If we’re to have a creative playmaking CM in our side, I reckon it only happens if Ndombele massively turns it around.

 

[wrd]

Did Liverpool struggle to create with a midfield 3 that consisted of any combination from Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Wijnaldum or Keita? The most creative CM option they had was Shaqiri who never played.

There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and much as I love a player dictating CM who can make something out of nothing, if we’re going with a 2 in midfield with a focus on attacking down the wings and overloading in the penalty area, we’ll score plenty with the players we have.

The way Dele seems to be playing in pre season I can see him creating a lot of chances, while Bergwijn is far more creative than he gets credit for and even Lucas is playing with his head up.

The key is getting the ball to these players quickly and in the right positions, which a midfield 2 from Lo Celso,Højbjerg and Winks seems equipped for do without sacrificing the requisite robustness for the system. With Gedson (needs to adapt),Sissoko (not good enough) and White (just potential are this stage) also in the discussion, we’ve plenty of depth there even if in deteriorating quality (as is the case with all clubs), so I’m not sure we’re signing anyone for CM if Ndombele leaves, never mind a similar style player.

If we’re to have a creative playmaking CM in our side, I reckon it only happens if Ndombele massively turns it around.

We would need fullbacks with immense passing ability to replicate what Liverpool do. Passing wise none of our fullbacks come close to Robertson and Trent.

 

[austinfh]

Did Liverpool struggle to create with a midfield 3 that consisted of any combination from Henderson, Fabinho, Milner, Wijnaldum or Keita? The most creative CM option they had was Shaqiri who never played.

There’s more than one way to skin a cat, and much as I love a player dictating CM who can make something out of nothing, if we’re going with a 2 in midfield with a focus on attacking down the wings and overloading in the penalty area, we’ll score plenty with the players we have.

The way Dele seems to be playing in pre season I can see him creating a lot of chances, while Bergwijn is far more creative than he gets credit for and even Lucas is playing with his head up.

The key is getting the ball to these players quickly and in the right positions, which a midfield 2 from Lo Celso,Højbjerg and Winks seems equipped for do without sacrificing the requisite robustness for the system. With Gedson (needs to adapt),Sissoko (not good enough) and White (just potential are this stage) also in the discussion, we’ve plenty of depth there even if in deteriorating quality (as is the case with all clubs), so I’m not sure we’re signing anyone for CM if Ndombele leaves, never mind a similar style player.

If we’re to have a creative playmaking CM in our side, I reckon it only happens if Ndombele massively turns it around.

Which is fine when we can play on the break but when it comes to picking apart a defence when they’re sitting back and we’ve got no space on the wings then I don’t hold much hope. Even if Ndombele hasn’t shown himself to be that player yet, I think that’s something we’re lacking

 

[BringBack_leGin]

We would need fullbacks with immense passing ability to replicate what Liverpool do. Passing wise none of our fullbacks come close to Robertson and Trent.

Perhaps, but not every good attacking side has either a great CM playmaker or fullbacks who can play that way either. It’s so much more than just technical skill, it’s about training patterns into players, familiarity with each other, players making the right runs, showing for the ball not just at the right time’s but in the right places. Much like defence, a good attack is very much about the training ground, and Jose is the ultimate training ground manager, his best Chelsea midfield of Makaleke, Essien and Lampard didn’t have a particular playmaker either. That side scored a record goal haul of 103 league goals only recently surpassed by City in 17/18.

Admittedly I’m putting a lot of faith in Dele, who’s been off it for a good while, to move up a gear and really start creating chances and lining midfield to attack, but if Mourinho can work him out then the ability is there in my opinion.

Which is fine when we can play on the break but when it comes to picking apart a defence when they’re sitting back and we’ve got no space on the wings then I don’t hold much hope. Even if Ndombele hasn’t shown himself to be that player yet, I think that’s something we’re lacking

Maybe I just overrate our players and manager but I don’t look at our squad and worry about us scoring goals.

 

[wrd]

Perhaps, but not every good attacking side has either a great CM playmaker or fullbacks who can play that way either. It’s so much more than just technical skill, it’s about training patterns into players, familiarity with each other, players making the right runs, showing for the ball not just at the right time’s but in the right places. Much like defence, a good attack is very much about the training ground, and Jose is the ultimate training ground manager, his best Chelsea midfield of Makaleke, Essien and Lampard didn’t have a particular playmaker either. That side scored a record goal haul of 103 league goals on recently surpassed by City in 17/18.

Admittedly I’m putting a lot of faith in Dele, who’s been off it for a good while, to move up a gear and really start creating chances and lining midfield to attack, but if Mourinho can work him out then the ability is there in my opinion.



Maybe I just overrate our players and manager but I don’t look at our squad and worry about us scoring goals.

Its okay, I love Dele too. I actually think we're going to be building our team around Kane being the best hold up striker the world has seen. I think signing Doherty specifically is because his skillset meshes so well with Kane and his ability to find the overlapping fullback. I think everything will work off Kane and Dele is another example of somebody who can work extremely well off of Kane.