Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Matrix]

Getting sick of these types of posts.

Ability wise, if he applied himself and everything worked out he's a £100m midfielder.

I'm fine with people questioning his desire and effort, those who questioning his ability make ME question whether some of our fans even watch our games and watched him play or just jump on the same horse as others and just call him fat and lazy by default.

Without having an agenda to ridicule him at every opportunity. Watching him play when he was doing his thing was a joy to watch. I don't care what anyone says. He glided past players reminiscent of Dembele, had Modric like close control in tight spots and even picked out many good passes no one saw. He was technically one of the best midfielders we've ever had. He done things at times, on many occasions where I literally said "how's he done that?"

It hasn't worked out, that's fine, just sick of people calling him fat and a crap player.

Hes a bloody brilliant player who's heart isn't in it (atleast for us) it just didn't work.

Get over it.

Great post! Take a bow son.

 

[ero1x]

Because he has a small Willy

You idiot... My bad for expecting an adult response or discussion

 

[littlewilly]

Because he has a small Willy

Oi!

 

[Col_M]

You idiot... My bad for expecting an adult response or discussion

How do you know the poster isn't 12 yo? Its summer holidays after all.

 

[Rosco1984]

Getting sick of these types of posts.

Ability wise, if he applied himself and everything worked out he's a £100m midfielder.

I'm fine with people questioning his desire and effort, those who questioning his ability make ME question whether some of our fans even watch our games and watched him play or just jump on the same horse as others and just call him fat and lazy by default.

Without having an agenda to ridicule him at every opportunity. Watching him play when he was doing his thing was a joy to watch. I don't care what anyone says. He glided past players reminiscent of Dembele, had Modric like close control in tight spots and even picked out many good passes no one saw. He was technically one of the best midfielders we've ever had. He done things at times, on many occasions where I literally said "how's he done that?"

It hasn't worked out, that's fine, just sick of people calling him fat and a crap player.

Hes a bloody brilliant player who's heart isn't in it (atleast for us) it just didn't work.

Get over it.

Ability without application is worth £0

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Ability without application is worth £0

I think it's pretty reductive to say it's all about application.

He was playing under both Mourinho and Nuno. He's not a good stylistic fit for a Conte team. This was even said when he was linked to a move to Conte's Inter.

In Conte's 343 he prefers the two CMs to be more work horses that shuttle the ball from the defence to attacking third. This is clearly not Ndombele's game.

 

[Freddie]

I think it's pretty reductive to say it's all about application.

He was playing under both Mourinho and Nuno. He's not a good stylistic fit for a Conte team. This was even said when he was linked to a move to Conte's Inter.

In Conte's 343 he prefers the two CMs to be more work horses that shuttle the ball from the defence to attacking third. This is clearly not Ndombele's game.

When you've played under 5 managers in 3 years and none of them have got a tune out of him it might be time to look at the player. He could have tried to adapt. We live and learn hopefully. One of the legacies of Conte after he goes should be signing guys with the right mentality.

 

[JoaoPereira]

Without having an agenda to ridicule him at every opportunity. Watching him play when he was doing his thing was a joy to watch. I don't care what anyone says. He glided past players reminiscent of Dembele, had Modric like close control in tight spots and even picked out many good passes no one saw. He was technically one of the best midfielders we've ever had. He done things at times, on many occasions where I literally said "how's he done that?"

excluding the commitment, effort, stamina, etc narrative which has been discussed ad nauseam, and focusing on what he actually provided when he managed to get on the ball, what you're saying is not false but doesn't paint the whole picture either. for every piece of brilliance he displayed, he got himself into trouble as many times, attempting to bypass defenders in critical positions on the field with little to no upside in case of success, a lot of times overwhelmed physically or straight unaware of the defensive coverage. whenever he had time on the ball he was dangerous but at times he was also a liability, especially when pressed. even on that department alone, it wasn't all roses like some people make it out to be.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

When you've played under 5 managers in 3 years and none of them have got a tune out of him it might be time to look at the player. He could have tried to adapt. We live and learn hopefully. One of the legacies of Conte after he goes should be signing guys with the right mentality.

I would argue Mourinho ‘got a tune out of him’.

My point is it is reductive to say he just didn’t apply himself. The reasons are much more complex than that and they’ve been gone over a million times in this thread so I won’t repeat myself.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

excluding the commitment, effort, stamina, etc narrative which has been discussed ad nauseam, and focusing on what he actually provided when he managed to get on the ball, what you're saying is not false but doesn't paint the whole picture either. for every piece of brilliance he displayed, he got himself into trouble as many times, attempting to bypass defenders in critical positions on the field with little to no upside in case of success, a lot of times overwhelmed physically or straight unaware of the defensive coverage. whenever he had time on the ball he was dangerous but at times he was also a liability, especially when pressed. even on that department alone, it wasn't all roses like some people make it out to be.

Exactly this. Some are hyping his performances beyond reality. He had plenty of games where he couldn't pass for toffee, tackled like a lettuce, coughed up the ball, or run into trouble. He wasn't great in a lot of situations.

 

[Harrier]

Ahh bless those fans ?we were all like that a couple of years ago ? wait until they see him on the pitch and the lack of effort and fitness the guy has. Can only think it has got a lot worse , when was the last time he played a competitive match ?

Slower paced league and a hard worker alongside him and he may do well in Serie A.

We can only hope.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

His ability gets talked up way to much. Some people make out like he's the second coming of Hoddle or something. Ability is only unreal if you have the capacity to do it somewhat consistently - which he doesn't. Any professional player can knock a spectacular pass or goal in every now and again, proving you can do that consistently and positively impact games is what constitutes unreal ability.

So far all I've seen is a mediocre player, with a dreadful attitude have odd flashes of quality.

Agree. I think his ability is overratted. Sure he can do a few fancy step overs or thread a through ball or turn out of trouble now and again but he was a £50M+ midfielder so you’d bloody expect those things tbh and as you say he doesn’t do them anywhere near consistently enough, maybe he has a bit more ‘flair’ or playground ? skill to his game than other midfielders so he looks a bit fancier but I’m pretty sure Bentancur for example has just as much if not more ‘ability’ than Ndombele and can pick and hit passes probably better and more consistently than Ndombele can but he also has the work rate and effort and attitude to make him at top player and keep him there.

Ndombele has some ability for sure but like you say he’s hardly the 2nd coming of Hoddle, it’s fits and spurts of magic regardless of his lack of effort and poor attitude.

 

[jurgen11]

He disresepcted the club and stuck two fingers up at fans who had paid to see him .

 

[Ben1]

Getting sick of these types of posts.

Ability wise, if he applied himself and everything worked out he's a £100m midfielder.

I'm fine with people questioning his desire and effort, those who questioning his ability make ME question whether some of our fans even watch our games and watched him play or just jump on the same horse as others and just call him fat and lazy by default.

Without having an agenda to ridicule him at every opportunity. Watching him play when he was doing his thing was a joy to watch. I don't care what anyone says. He glided past players reminiscent of Dembele, had Modric like close control in tight spots and even picked out many good passes no one saw. He was technically one of the best midfielders we've ever had. He done things at times, on many occasions where I literally said "how's he done that?"

It hasn't worked out, that's fine, just sick of people calling him fat and a crap player.

Hes a bloody brilliant player who's heart isn't in it (atleast for us) it just didn't work.

Get over it.

Getting sick of these types of posts.

You can not be a bloody brilliant player without actually playing bloody brilliantly for more than 30 second stints of highlight reel clips. Consistency and overall game makes a fantastic player. Capable of the ridiculous yes, certainly Tanguy was for us.

You aren't a bloody brilliant 100m runner if you're really fast for 10m and walk the rest though.

Agendas, 'didn't watch the games blah blah', get over it...you've got the full set of provoking rubbish there, but sometimes people disagree.

Admittedly the fat jokes are just beyond stupid.

 

[Freddie]

excluding the commitment, effort, stamina, etc narrative which has been discussed ad nauseam, and focusing on what he actually provided when he managed to get on the ball, what you're saying is not false but doesn't paint the whole picture either. for every piece of brilliance he displayed, he got himself into trouble as many times, attempting to bypass defenders in critical positions on the field with little to no upside in case of success, a lot of times overwhelmed physically or straight unaware of the defensive coverage. whenever he had time on the ball he was dangerous but at times he was also a liability, especially when pressed. even on that department alone, it wasn't all roses like some people make it out to be.

Exactly this. Some are hyping his performances beyond reality. He had plenty of games where he couldn't pass for toffee, tackled like a lettuce, coughed up the ball, or run into trouble. He wasn't great in a lot of situations.

Agree. I think his ability is overratted. Sure he can do a few fancy step overs or thread a through ball or turn out of trouble now and again but he was a £50M+ midfielder so you’d bloody expect those things tbh and as you say he doesn’t do them anywhere near consistently enough, maybe he has a bit more ‘flair’ or playground ? skill to his game than other midfielders so he looks a bit fancier but I’m pretty sure Bentancur for example has just as much if not more ‘ability’ than Ndombele and can pick and hit passes probably better and more consistently than Ndombele can but he also has the work rate and effort and attitude to make him at top player and keep him there.

Ndombele has some ability for sure but like you say he’s hardly the 2nd coming of Hoddle, it’s fits and spurts of magic regardless of his lack of effort and poor attitude.

All of these. There's a tendency to talk up this unreal talent because of glimpses we've seen in certain games but it's much easier to try outrageous things when you're a) unaware of your limitations, and b) not too fussed about the consequences of it going wrong. Whilst I do think he has more raw ability than most, I don't think there's a massive gulf between him and other players we have. Others have just harnessed their talent because that's what top managers want, and knowing when to use your talent is what separates the best players from the rest.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

I would argue Mourinho ‘got a tune out of him’.

My point is it is reductive to say he just didn’t apply himself. The reasons are much more complex than that and they’ve been gone over a million times in this thread so I won’t repeat myself.

When was that? I remember him showing glimpses in a few games but dontvthink he completed a 90mins.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

When was that? I remember him showing glimpses in a few games but dontvthink he completed a 90mins.

He was one of best players for Mourinho when we went top of league under his tenure. I think him not completing 90 minutes is more indicative of Jose's well-documented lack of attention to fitness and conditioning that's needed in the modern game more than anything else.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Getting sick of these types of posts.

Ability wise, if he applied himself and everything worked out he's a £100m midfielder.

I'm fine with people questioning his desire and effort, those who questioning his ability make ME question whether some of our fans even watch our games and watched him play or just jump on the same horse as others and just call him fat and lazy by default.

Without having an agenda to ridicule him at every opportunity. Watching him play when he was doing his thing was a joy to watch. I don't care what anyone says. He glided past players reminiscent of Dembele, had Modric like close control in tight spots and even picked out many good passes no one saw. He was technically one of the best midfielders we've ever had. He done things at times, on many occasions where I literally said "how's he done that?"

It hasn't worked out, that's fine, just sick of people calling him fat and a crap player.

Hes a bloody brilliant player who's heart isn't in it (atleast for us) it just didn't work.

Get over it.
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'A bloody brilliant player' that he never was takes more than having a bit of skill to make a brilliant player - he simply isn't - his work rate was so poor - defensively unable to track or influence the game in a positive manner - played in areas that didn't affect the game - hid from the ball didn't offer himself at the first sign of adversity - and never appeared to be either fit or athletic enough to himself and justice - a player without a position not athletic enough or good enough defensively to play in a midfield role and just not committed enough to push forward and play as an attacking midfielder where he should have been able to influence games creatively with his skillset but he failed to do that

Its not worked out for him because he simply isn't that good he was poorly scouted just doesn't have the fundamentals to do what we needed him to do - for everybody who thinks his a great player I hope he smashes it at Napoli - last season they were a good side especially going forward and looked at one stage like they could challenge but faded away - Serie A is tough though and he will need to improve on what he has shown at Tottenham

 

[bigpalacios]

I was so excited to see him join, now I so excited to see him piss off.

He is a lazy bastard and his time at Spurs he was a disgrace.

 

[Freddie]

Slower paced league and a hard worker alongside him and he may do well in Serie A.

We can only hope.

Slower paced league, yes, but also incredibly tactically disciplined. I'd be surprised if he excelled, but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.