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UpTownSpur

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All 3 of Wanyama's reds were last season

I think a couple were caused by frustration that Koeman didn't let him move. I agree with BC that he's way above Dier as a DM and we'd have probably won league with him, but Dier was still the best we had at the time.

I think something will have to give next Summer and one of Dier, Wimmer or CCV will have to be moved on.
 

dagraham

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I think a couple were caused by frustration that Koeman didn't let him move. I agree with BC that he's way above Dier as a DM and we'd have probably won league with him, but Dier was still the best we had at the time.

I think something will have to give next Summer and one of Dier, Wimmer or CCV will have to be moved on.

Agree that Wanyama is proving to be an excellent signing and Dier has a big ask to get back in the team.

However, the reason we didn't win the league last season has absolutely nothing to do with the DM position. It's the same issue we still have now.
 

UpTownSpur

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Agree that Wanyama is proving to be an excellent signing and Dier has a big ask to get back in the team.

However, the reason we didn't win the league last season has absolutely nothing to do with the DM position. It's the same issue we still have now.

By this time last season I think we'd already lost three leads and we haven't lost any leads this season, and haven't really looked like doing so. Wanyama's a big part of that in my opinion.
 

Johnny J

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Its bad enough when others repeat this tripe, no need for supporters to fall for it also. Wanyama has 2 yellows in 8 league games - he is a long way off from seeing an accumulation penalty. By this point last season, Dier had picked up an accumulation suspension.

Wanyama has 3 RCs in 82 PL matches.... for a DM, thats not a terrible ratio.
Like Yankspurs said, 3 reds all last season. So not complete tripe :)

But my impression, on what I've seen of Wanyama, is that he dives into tackles. There have been a couple of games already this season where he was on a tightrope.
 

dagraham

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By this time last season I think we'd already lost three leads and we haven't lost any leads this season, and haven't really looked like doing so. Wanyama's a big part of that in my opinion.

Fair point, but there's more than one way to put a game to bed other than just defending what you have.

Not being clinical enough and drawing too many games was our ultimate undoing imo.
 

dagraham

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Like Yankspurs said, 3 reds all last season. So not complete tripe :)

But my impression, on what I've seen of Wanyama, is that he dives into tackles. There have been a couple of games already this season where he was on a tightrope.

Something Dier is guilty of too. Same could be said of most DM of this type.

I've been impressed by Wanyama's discipline so far on the occasions when he's on a yellow.
 

UpTownSpur

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Like Yankspurs said, 3 reds all last season. So not complete tripe :)

But my impression, on what I've seen of Wanyama, is that he dives into tackles. There have been a couple of games already this season where he was on a tightrope.

Not at all. He's had two yellows. The one at Stoke was a terrible decision and the one against City he did what needed to be done as Aguero was getting into a dangerous position.
 

VertongHen

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Reacting to the Alderweireld injury saga... with Pochettino! :D

Saturday: Alderweireld gets injured!
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Sunday: Alderweireld still injured...
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Monday: Alderweireld looking much better!
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mano-obe

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I've never panicked so much about a players injury since gazza 91. The fact that others showed concern too shows how great he is. He can head, defend, tackle, give 110%, martial the back line, score from corners and he can also play football. We have the best defender in the league. Number one in the team sheet for me, he is that good. What's even better we have a brilliant squad around him. Good time to support Super Spurs
 

Cravenspurs

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By this time last season I think we'd already lost three leads and we haven't lost any leads this season, and haven't really looked like doing so. Wanyama's a big part of that in my opinion.

Think you can say that has to do with maturation of the squad. Not a whole lot of turnover so this bunch knew what to expect
 

Charly***

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I get your point, but you never know what happens in football, an uber club could come in with an immense offer and he may want to go, he could get a serious injury, and then we have Vertonghen who's now 29 - and I know I like my CB's to play on their better sides (left/right e.g.) but I think Dier's probably adaptable enough to play games left side as well.

As things stand right now, what do you see for Dier, future wise ? Because I think this season has completely scotched the whole Dier/Dembele CM myth - something I took shit on an almost weekly basis for claiming that I thought wasn't the main reason for our success that everyone else did (I wasn't alone but was in a very small minority).

Poch has (rather oddly) stated we will play with one DM henceforth (I say oddly, because why state something like that, why pin your tactical colours to the mast so unequivocally - leaving you open to questioning if you do want to play with two in the future but also telling all other PL managers what your plans are etc ?) and for me, in this improved system, which at the moment definitely caters to the players we have better, I don't see a first choice role for Dier. Wanyama's skill set is better suited to this new format as the DM. Do you ?

I'd say the fact we signed a player in Victor Wanyama with similar attributes in terms of strength, power, concentration & positioning to the Dier / Dembele axis whilst ridding the squad of cms without those qualities actually gives credence to the perceived strength of last years pairing.
 
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