Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[WiganSpur]

Because we'll end up with more money to make us stronger.
It's really simple.

If we were in a tricky financial situation then i'd agree, but we're not.

ITK has repeatedly stated money will be made available regardless of player sales. And then we have 3 RBs, one of which will be sold for a tidy sum. Nkoudou, Janssen, Llorente, Dembele, Sissoko and of course Toby could be sold abroad. More than enough money to bring in the players we really need.

I just don't see how we're so desperate for that extra money.

 

[Gb160]

If we were in a tricky financial situation then i'd agree, but we're not.

ITK has repeatedly stated money will be made available regardless of player sales. And then we have 3 RBs, one of which will be sold for a tidy sum. Nkoudou, Janssen, Llorente, Dembele, Sissoko and of course Toby could be sold abroad. More than enough money to bring in the players we really need.

I just don't see how we're so desperate for that extra money.

Well I don't see ITK can be relied on when no one knows on the validity of any of it...so really you don't know what the financial situation is.
Regardless, I very much doubt we're in any position to turn down an extra £20m because of a notion that some fans subscribe to religiously, yet the manager clearly doesn't...or because some fans might have to piss taken out of them by their mates.

 

[riggi]

When did we sell him?0

 

[WiganSpur]

Well I don't see ITK can be relied on when no one knows on the validity of any of it...so really you don't know what the financial situation is.
Regardless, I very much doubt we're in any position to turn down an extra £20m because of a notion that some fans subscribe to religiously, yet the manager clearly doesn't...or because some fans might have to piss taken out of them by their mates.

I think it sets a precedent that we're not serious about going for the jugular and having a competitive edge both on and off the pitch. If we subscribe to this theory that if the money is good then we sell, we begin to lose our identity.

I repeat. What if it was Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc and they wanted out? And United were the highest bidder ahead of foreign clubs. Would you have the same attitude? I just think we have to draw the line somewhere if you understand what I mean.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

United couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo.

Arseanal couldn't keep hold of anyone.

Liverpoo couldn't keep hold of Suarez.

Chel$ki couldn't keep Mata from joining United.

United couldn't keep Mkhitaryan away from Arseanal.

Liverpoo couldn't keep Coutinho.

I could go on and on. My point? Well, unless you're called Real Madrid or Barcelona, you're a selling club.

 

[ilikeost]

United couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo.

Arseanal couldn't keep hold of anyone.

Liverpoo couldn't keep hold of Suarez.

Chel$ki couldn't keep Mata from joining United.

United couldn't keep Mkhitaryan away from Arseanal.

Liverpoo couldn't keep Coutinho.

I could go on and on. My point? Well, unless you're called Real Madrid or Barcelona, you're a selling club.

Barcelona couldn't keep Neymar.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Arseanal couldn't keep hold of anyone.

...and look at them now. Out of the top 4 with a mediocre squad.

 

[WiganSpur]

United couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo.

Arseanal couldn't keep hold of anyone.

Liverpoo couldn't keep hold of Suarez.

Chel$ki couldn't keep Mata from joining United.

United couldn't keep Mkhitaryan away from Arseanal.

Liverpoo couldn't keep Coutinho.

I could go on and on. My point? Well, unless you're called Real Madrid or Barcelona, you're a selling club.

Arsenal are weak and didn't have to sell RVP, Nasri etc. Where has this got them?

Suarez, Ronaldo and Coutinho went abroad.

Mourinho didn't want Mata because he didn't deem him good enough and the Mkhitaryan deal was necessary to sign Sanchez.

None of these situations are in line with us selling Toby to United with no players in return.

 

[Trippier the RB fantastic]

I could live with swapping Toby for Martial, but only if theres no other way, i.e. Toby still wants out and there is no foreign clubs for him or there is no other similar player in the market we could spend Toby money on.

I could also live with Chelsea fucking off, regardless what Toby wants and how the market is.

I wouldnt worry about us selling Alderweireld to Chelsea, theres pure hatred between the two clubs. They wanted Modric remember and actually offered us more money than Real Madrid and we said no.
The last player to transfer between the two clubs was Jason Cundy back in 92, 26 years ago.

 

[Gb160]

...and look at them now. Out of the top 4 with a mediocre squad.

What about the other clubs? Or is that the only one that fits your narrative?

 

[allatsea]

Barcelona couldn't keep Neymar.

Luis Figo Barca to Real Madrid

 

[Colonel Dax]

What about the other clubs? Or is that the only one that fits your narrative?

I refer you to WiganSpur's post above.

The best players in that list went to Spanish clubs. Others like Mata were deemed surplus to requirements.

 

[Hans Gruber]

75m at least for United. Or half that with Martial thrown in. Simple take it or leave it for both parties. He's under contract and even letting him go for 25m next summer would be preferable to him joining a direct rival.

You do realise that when he leaves for 25m next summer he can leave for.. a direct rival? If Barca/Juve aren't options I'd much rather see him go to Utd for £60m this summer - allowing us to invest in a proper replacement - than £25m next.

By all means if he wants to go to Barcelona then go for it. To say Umtiti is better is ridiculous. He's younger of course but there's no way he's better than Toby. Don't forget that Barcelona control 90% of the games they play, in a stronger, but not as in depth league.

Assuming you don't watch much Barca. Umtiti is amongst the best ball playing centre-backs in the world and is as strong as Davinson Sanchez. I assume Piqué and Ramos are also overrated because their teams control the ball and they play in a low-depth league? Also if he's so poor then why are Barca falling over themselves to offer him a new deal and prevent him from leaving for £53m? Surely just sell and pick up the far superior Toby Alderweireld?

I can handle going abroad for 50/60m. The hit in money is worth keeping him away from United. If Umtiti was better, United would go for him instead anyway.

United are going for Umtiti, who's using them to get a better deal for Barca.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

If true that he’s not got the offers coming in that he expected, i’d be very disappointed if we weren’t looking to build bridges and get him tied down to us. Players of his quality are not disposable and his public behaviour has been very controlled and perfectly acceptable.

I'd be ok with picking up his option, if we don't get the deal we want. But I would not be in favor of offering a new deal for a 29-yo, injury-prone player who really does not want to be here...

 

[WiganSpur]

A bit of an aside I must admit, but why the fuck would Umtiti want to leave Barca to play for Borinho?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

The problem is despite both teams and players seemingly being keen to part ways, they know we won't get anywhere near the money abroad whereas someone in Europe would probably take Martial for similar to what we'd offer (Atleti/Juve). Annoyingly Utd have the power here, they know Levy would struggle to walk away from £60m or so. I just hope Levy has too much pride to get done over by Woodward of all people.

Levy should bite their hand off, if they got close to £60M

 

[Gb160]

United couldn't keep hold of Ronaldo.

Arseanal couldn't keep hold of anyone.

Liverpoo couldn't keep hold of Suarez.

Chel$ki couldn't keep Mata from joining United.

United couldn't keep Mkhitaryan away from Arseanal.

Liverpoo couldn't keep Coutinho.

I could go on and on. My point? Well, unless you're called Real Madrid or Barcelona, you're a selling club.

I think the problem is that some of our fans have an over inflated sense of how big we are as a club.
Much bigger clubs than us sell to their rivals, not sure why some feel we're immune to this.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Barcelona couldn't keep Neymar.

Yeah I purposely left him out because Barcelona didn't want to keep hold of him, he wanted out & everyone was ridiculously financially rewarded. I think we all know that, if a player is happy at Barcelona, and Barclona are happy with the player, no club can entice him away.

...and look at them now. Out of the top 4 with a mediocre squad.

That's because they've replaced each and every sold player with absolute gash. We haven't.

Arsenal are weak and didn't have to sell RVP, Nasri etc. Where has this got them?

Suarez, Ronaldo and Coutinho went abroad.

Mourinho didn't want Mata because he didn't deem him good enough and the Mkhitaryan deal was necessary to sign Sanchez.

None of these situations are in line with us selling Toby to United with no players in return.

Arseanal had no choice but to sell Nasri, RVP etc, because the clubs that wanted them had too much money & the players wanted out. Nothing Arseanal could do about it.

Suarez, Ronaldo & Coutinho going abroad has nothing to do with the post which you quote, as that post was simply to demonstrate that, unless you're Barcelona or Real Madrid, you're a selling club.

Mata was simply singled out by Mourinho & made the scapegoat. Went to United, proved Mourinho totally wrong, Mourinho becomes United manager & Mata ends up being one of the most frequently used players. Weird for a player who isn't rated, no?

 

[Gb160]

I refer you to WiganSpur's post above.

The best players in that list went to Spanish clubs. Others like Mata were deemed surplus to requirements.

Sterling to City?
AOC to Liverpool?
Matic to Utd?
I could go on.

When the money's right they all sell.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I think the problem is that some of our fans have an over inflated sense of how big we are as a club.
Much bigger clubs than us sell to their rivals, not sure why some feel we're immune to this.

Wow someone gets it. Thank you.