Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[Lilbaz]

A point was made in the ITK thread that the money saved by dealing late could get us an extra player. That's a fair enough point to make in theory. The problem is the reality is often very different from what we want to do. If a deal falls through in the final hours it becomes very difficult to rectify and move onto alternatives. Examples include Moutinho, Berahino, Leandro and probably countless others that we aren't aware of. These signings would have been core pieces of business, left to the last second.

Inevitably we always end up a player or two short and that costs us during the season. Last season was a winger. To his credit though Levy did get the deal done in January, which I did not expect.

No matter who we buy our fans will still think we are a player or two short.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

When we make signings and sales that are in line with footballing needs and ambitions and sign most (or at least some) in time for pre-season.

The last time that happened was a couple of years ago. Wanyama and Janssen made a lot of sense in that respect as they were what we needed at the time and they were signed nice and early. I know Janssen didn't work out but Levy did a good job with those two, especially after missing out on Batshuayi.

I would have to strongly disagree that Levy did a good job with Janssen, as he's been an absolute waste of time and money.. Levy will be doing a great job, if he manages to shift him at a profit.

 

[WiganSpur]

I would have to strongly disagree that Levy did a good job with Janssen, as he's been an absolute waste of time and money.. Levy will be doing a great job, if he manages to shift him at a profit.

But that wasn't Levy's fault. His job is to get the players on the 'list' given to him. Janssen's failure is the fault of the scouts and/or management team, not Levy.

In terms of doing his job, the act of signing Janssen (a striker that we needed) just before pre-season was a job well done.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Toby hasn't found his consistency that he has in the season where he was the top centerback in the Prem..could still need time given this was his most steady run of games in close to a year but if the opportunity is there to get either Martial for him or send him out of England nd use the money on somebody like De Ligt then I'd be open to hearing supporters reasons for turning that down.

 

[Ekmek]

Im fine with loosing Toby as long as we get someone like De Ligt but if we sell to United that must include Martial or else we need to sell outside of England. Its not acceptable making them stronger even if it means 10m more.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I wonder what will happen if we can't move Toby.

Rumours of Man United making a bid for Maguire - which, if true, would seemingly take them out of the running. I am not sure what big money team would actually make a reasonable bid for Toby, given his age, injury history, and lacklustre performance in Russia.

If he comes back, that puts us in an awkward position. If he proves healthy and effective, we lose him for £25M next summer, if he is not healthy nor effective, we probably let him go on a free. I don't see much upside for Spurs here - maybe we get one good year out of him.

 

[Colonel Dax]

I wonder what will happen if we can't move Toby.

Rumours of Man United making a bid for Maguire - which, if true, would seemingly take them out of the running. I am not sure what big money team would actually make a reasonable bid for Toby, given his age, injury history, and lacklustre performance in Russia.

If he comes back, that puts us in an awkward position. If he proves healthy and effective, we lose him for £25M next summer, if he is not healthy nor effective, we probably let him go on a free. I don't see much upside for Spurs here - maybe we get one good year out of him.

I'd be happy if he stayed another year, absolutely. He's still a quality CB, despite his injuries. Should he go for £25m next summer - so be it. He'll be 30 by then and in the mean time we can try to find a replacement (de Ligt or another).

 

[yankspurs]

I wonder what will happen if we can't move Toby.

Rumours of Man United making a bid for Maguire - which, if true, would seemingly take them out of the running. I am not sure what big money team would actually make a reasonable bid for Toby, given his age, injury history, and lacklustre performance in Russia.

If he comes back, that puts us in an awkward position. If he proves healthy and effective, we lose him for £25M next summer, if he is not healthy nor effective, we probably let him go on a free. I don't see much upside for Spurs here - maybe we get one good year out of him.

If he stays, we still have a fantastic CB.

 

[rabbikeane]

I have faith in Toby remaining professional and give his best in his final year. 25m is still profit for us and we need world class player to become champions, even if it's short term. Maybe in the future we'll talk about Toby's one season in the new stadium as much as the one season supporters in the 80s got to enjoy Richard Gough.

 

[dtxspurs]

The upside is having the best defense in the league again!

 

[Carson35]

I wonder what will happen if we can't move Toby.

Rumours of Man United making a bid for Maguire - which, if true, would seemingly take them out of the running. I am not sure what big money team would actually make a reasonable bid for Toby, given his age, injury history, and lacklustre performance in Russia.

If he comes back, that puts us in an awkward position. If he proves healthy and effective, we lose him for £25M next summer, if he is not healthy nor effective, we probably let him go on a free. I don't see much upside for Spurs here - maybe we get one good year out of him.

I have a feeling that they are just using Maguire to force us to speed up the Toby deal.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

The upside is having the best defense in the league again!

For a year, when Toby leaves for a bargain price. And once you know a player is off, at what point does that become a distraction? We saw this year that Poch was reluctant to play him. What makes you think next year would be any different - knowing that Toby is leaving next summer?

If we don't sign him to an extension (with no release clause), I can see him on the fringes of this squad, as Poch focuses on players who actually want to be here...

 

[dtxspurs]

For a year, when Toby leaves for a bargain price. And once you know a player is off, at what point does that become a distraction? We saw this year that Poch was reluctant to play him. What makes you think next year would be any different - knowing that Toby is leaving next summer?

If we don't sign him to an extension (with no release clause), I can see him on the fringes of this squad, as Poch focuses on players who actually want to be here...

At what point do we get to celebrate winning things and not celebrating great fees for our players? I would hope Poch could put his ego aside and realize that he'd be keeping the best CB in the prem on the bench. He probably knew Dembele was leaving, that didn't stop him from playing him.

We have our best chance of winning with Toby in the team, we *think* we are already setup for the future with Dier, Sanchez and Foyth in the squad. Besides its not like this is the only summer we're able to buy a CB. Spend some damn money on a CM and this team is set.

 

[cliff jones]

if we don't sell Toby before the deadline he needs to sign a new contract, getting rid of that clause.

Otherwise you might see him down the road in 19/20, which we must surely avoid.

If he refuses to sign, let him rot- no squad number and effectively png.

 

[dace]

IMO he is gone.
As in out of Poch's plans.
Transferred out or not he created this and it appears there is no way back. Has not impressed much since his injury and seemingly has got on the wrong side of Poch.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

At what point do we get to celebrate winning things and not celebrating great fees for our players? I would hope Poch could put his ego aside and realize that he'd be keeping the best CB in the prem on the bench. He probably knew Dembele was leaving, that didn't stop him from playing him.

We have our best chance of winning with Toby in the team, we *think* we are already setup for the future with Dier, Sanchez and Foyth in the squad. Besides its not like this is the only summer we're able to buy a CB. Spend some damn money on a CM and this team is set.

Maybe. But Toby has not looked close to his previous form this summer.

Our best chance of winning right now is with Jan and Davinson as CBs. It remains to be seen whether it is better to play Dier at RCB, and Wanyama at DM, or Toby at RCB and Dier at DM.

It is definitely not a given that Toby starts for this team when Poch plays his best XI. Those days may be a fleeting memory.

 

[Colonel Dax]

Maybe. But Toby has not looked close to his previous form this summer.

Our best chance of winning right now is with Jan and Davinson as CBs. It remains to be seen whether it is better to play Dier at RCB, and Wanyama at DM, or Toby at RCB and Dier at DM.

It is definitely not a given that Toby starts for this team when Poch plays his best XI. Those days may be a fleeting memory.

3 at the back is my favoured formation. Allows us to get the best out of Trippier and Rose, both of whom are more effective as wing backs. Trippier - Toby - Sanchez - Jan - Rose is a top tier defence.

 

[DCSPUR]

Maybe. But Toby has not looked close to his previous form this summer.

Our best chance of winning right now is with Jan and Davinson as CBs. It remains to be seen whether it is better to play Dier at RCB, and Wanyama at DM, or Toby at RCB and Dier at DM.

It is definitely not a given that Toby starts for this team when Poch plays his best XI. Those days may be a fleeting memory.

interesting dilemma is if Winks gets back to full form and fitness....and Wanyama
Perhaps 3 at the back with Dier and then Winks and/or Big vic depending on the opposition?

 

[dtxspurs]

Maybe. But Toby has not looked close to his previous form this summer.

Our best chance of winning right now is with Jan and Davinson as CBs. It remains to be seen whether it is better to play Dier at RCB, and Wanyama at DM, or Toby at RCB and Dier at DM.

It is definitely not a given that Toby starts for this team when Poch plays his best XI. Those days may be a fleeting memory.

Crazy how a few games hugely alters peoples thoughts on a player. You truly believe Davinson is already better than Toby? We had something crazy like 2 goals scored on us when those three played together last year for 2 months. Sure, Toby still probably needs to get his fitness levels back to standard and then he will be gold again. I can't believe after 3 seasons of being incredible all the sudden at 29 he's done as a top player.

 

[allatsea]

3 at the back is my favoured formation. Allows us to get the best out of Trippier and Rose, both of whom are more effective as wing backs. Trippier - Toby - Sanchez - Jan - Rose is a top tier defence.

If we are talking about the Toby of the season before last I agree but Toby has struggled both last season and in the World Cup.

What I find worrying is presumably Toby is trying to impress so the likes of Man United will be keen to sign him but he has been poor.