Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[Mr Pink]

AM may have stopped it happening weeks ago though, as they can delay the transfer until the cancellation clause deadline, with hopes for a higher bidder.

That can't be correct, its not really logical either. It TA waned to make his move permanent, all Saints would have to do is to activate their pre agreed price. End of discussion. AM can't force TA to go elsewhere just because they receive a bigger bid - or intend to wait to see if they receive a bigger bid from other parties. If TA wants to go to Southampton, that's that - a pre agreed price was pre arranged and can therefore be acted upon if both parties (Saints and TA) wish to do so.

That's the whole point. Its a first refusal agreement with a pre arranged price built in.

So the point is, and what I was responding to in the first place, was that if he had wanted to join them it would of happened before now.

And the whole landscape changes completely if TA doesn't want to join Saints, due to another Club's interest.

And that's where we're at.

 

[spurs9]

That can't be correct, its not really logical either. It TA waned to make his move permanent, all Saints would have to do is to activate their pre agreed price. End of discussion. AM can't force TA to go elsewhere just because they receive a bigger bid - or intend to wait to see if they receive a bigger bid from other parties. If TA wants to go to Southampton, that's that - a pre agreed price was pre arranged and can therefore be acted upon if both parties (Saints and TA) wish to do so.

That's the whole point. Its a first refusal agreement with a pre arranged price built in.

So the point is, and what I was responding to in the first place, was that if he had wanted to join them it would of happened before now.

That's not true though, as AM had a clause which allowed them to cancel the transfer at the pre agreed price by paying 1.5m by a certain date (that is what the whole legal action is about isn't it?), so they could hold off the transfer until that date.

 

[Keith Morris]

For me, the fact this transfer has dragged on and on, is trademark Spurs, I reckon he will be our player

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'm so scared:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/furious-southampton-warn-tottenham-keep-6015938

 

[mikeeegreen]

I have a feeling Levy has pulled the plug on this

 

[thinktank]

I'm so scared:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/furious-southampton-warn-tottenham-keep-6015938

What the hell is wrong with that club??

 

[mark87]

I'm so scared:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/furious-southampton-warn-tottenham-keep-6015938

They really think they're billy big bollocks don't they.

 

[Joshua]

I have a feeling Levy has pulled the plug on this

What are you basing that on?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

What are you basing that on?

For the last time, he has info inside the club.

 

[Mr Pink]

That's not true though, as AM had a clause which allowed them to cancel the transfer at the pre agreed price by paying 1.5m by a certain date (that is what the whole legal action is about isn't it?), so they could hold off the transfer until that date.

Think about it logically and from the point of view of the player. The reason why AM have tried to buy out (1.5m) Saints right to activate their pre agreed price, is that TA has told AM he'd prefer to join us.

Now if he had said to AM, even after learning of our interest, he still wished to join Southampton there would be nothing AM could do about that. A pre agreed fee was negotiated into the contract. The buy out clause was inserted to protect AM in the event that his market value rose - which it has done, and if other Clubs recognised such and bid higher. But the key is, TA would have to want to go. They can't force him. They could refuse to sell him though, but that isn't going to happen.

Does make that sense? So the fact that we've even got into this legal wrangle tells you that his preference is us, otherwise he'd be a Southampton player now - as it was all easy to do from all ends had he wanted to join them.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

I think Saints have been walking a fine line here. They can't sign Toby until they complete the transfer with AM. Even with the loan/Purchase agreement in place, AM had the right to withdraw the transfer - and probably indicated to Saints that they intended to do so.

Even if AM wanted to get a higher price from Saints, AM simply had to pay the fee to cancel the transaction, and start negotiations over - even if they only negotiated with Saints.

Saints probably wanted to get this resolved, but knew that pushing it was not going to make it happen.

Now, Saints can't force Alderweireld to sign with them (unless he already agreed to a long-term deal), but I am guessing they have not been able to talk with Toby's agents about a contract since they have not paid the transfer fee to AM. They probably want that option now.

 

[thinktank]

They really think they're billy big bollocks don't they.

The head inflation is across the board - top to bottom.

I bet even their tea lady has a bastard attitude now..."make your own fucking tea...don't you know who I am???!!!"

 

[mikeeegreen]

What are you basing that on?

Just a hunch mate

 

[JohannTHFC]

Southampton can do one, they'd just sell him to one of our rivals like the tinpot feeder club they are. Can't wait for Europa League to chew them up and spit them out like it did to Newcastle, Everton, Swansea etc.

 

[Mr Pink]

I'm so scared:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/furious-southampton-warn-tottenham-keep-6015938

It really is ridiculous now.

How can they tell AM what to do with a player that doesn't want to join them lol.

All this shite about missing the dealine to buy out their right to sign him. Its all moot if the player decides he doesn't want to join which he has. No point in blaming us or AM.

 

[millsey]

Southampton can do one, they'd just sell him to one of our rivals like the tinpot feeder club they are. Can't wait for Europa League to chew them up and spit them out like it did to Newcastle, Everton, Swansea etc.

And us....

 

[spurs9]

Think about it logically and from the point of view of the player. The reason why AM have tried to buy out (1.5m) Saints right to activate their pre agreed price, is that TA has told AM he'd prefer to join us.

Now if he had said to AM, even after learning of our interest, he still wished to join Southampton there would be nothing AM could do about that. A pre agreed fee was negotiated into the contract. The buy out clause was inserted to protect AM in the event that his market value rose - which it has done, and if other Clubs recognised such and bid higher. But the key is, TA would have to want to go. They can't force him. They could refuse to sell him though, but that isn't going to happen.

Does make that sense? So the fact that we've even got into this legal wrangle tells you that his preference is us, otherwise he'd be a Southampton player now - as it was all easy to do from all ends had he wanted to join them.

I am thinking logically, I think AM tried to buy out the clause because we bid 5m more than Southamptons agreement, not because TA said he would prefer us, I doubt AM give a shit who TA prefers tbh. In fact I think if Southampton matched our bid, they would just leave it up to the player to decide. If it was just about TA's preference, why are we not just paying the price Southampton agreed plus the cancellation clause?

If TA said to AM, that he wanted to join Southampton, not us, AM could have said "well we have activated to cancellation clause, so you better hope Southampton match Spurs bid".

I think the part you haven't grasped, is that from AM's side, they have cancelled the pre-agreed transfer, so Southampton isn't an option for TA, until AM accept an offer from them. From Southampton's side, the clause was activated after the deadline, so AM have no right to accept other bids, as their agreement stands.

 

[Joshua]

And us....

We consistently finish 5th or 6th whilst dealing with it. Every other team that's found themselves in it as a once off have suffered badly for it in the league.

 

[millsey]

We consistently finish 5th or 6th whilst dealing with it. Every other team that's found themselves in it as a once off have suffered badly for it in the league.

Maybe we would have finished 4th without it

 

[Spurger King]

What in der weireld is going on? So Levy's out in Spain and now one of the directors of that overachieving championship club has gone out there too? Maybe they'll arm wrestle for him.