Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

That's exactly the essence of what's wrong, isn't it.

Yes, I agree.

Although, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that we're building a new stadium. Poch and Levy have stated many times that we will have to be frugal until it is completed. So that means taking chances on GKN/Janssen and hoping they develop into high level players. Just like we took chances on players like Alli and Dier.

 

[yido_number1]

Just went back to the Kane post. Anyone can be forgiven for not foreseeing the Harry Kane development tangent but if you can learn anything from Kane it's giving Janssen time to relax and develop.

I have to be honest. I see a slow, without skill. typical english center striker. 1thing i am sure of is that Harry Kane wont play for Spurs much longer. C chip is his lvl.. QPR maby ? What do you really see in him ? not a talent at all...

Where's @Huddlebone these days?

I rate him. I like sticking my head on the line and I believe he will be a PL player.

Well played @Gbspurs what's your opinion on Janssen?

Not sure if you recall his contribution to the Hull cup match about 2 months ago - great goal, hit the post, scored a great penalty and generally made a lot of good movement.

If he's given the opportunity to have other 30 - 45 minute appearances and replicates that kind of form, you might want to change your opionion of his skill levels, and the one thing he's not is a 'typical English centre forward' , comparisons to someone like Teddy Sherringham have rightly been made for hus skills, awareness of other players on the pitch and passing skills.

He's not played enough for anyone to give a realistic opinion as to whether he will make it at Spurs, but I'm sure he will play in the Premiership based upon his Millwall stint and the improvement he's made since then.

I think Janssen deserves time to settle and adjust. He did look fat last night but he doesn't play games that often what do you expect. Coming on at 85 minutes is no time to judge a player when the team go more direct and desperate. Chill out guys who know's he might turn into RVN or RVP with time.

 

[Gbspurs]

@Gbspurs what's your opinion on Janssen?

Makes a change to be right about something. Janssen has the majority of attributes needed to be a decent PL striker but at the moment he just isn't up to speed with the league. Not sure which way it's going to go with him but I suspect we will know this time next season.

 

[tiger666]

Just went back to the Kane post. Anyone can be forgiven for not foreseeing the Harry Kane development tangent but if you can learn anything from Kane it's giving Janssen time to relax and develop.

Is exactly the point I was trying to make. He's 22 and 6 months in a new league/country. Too early to judge imo.

 

[alfie103]

Do people liken him to Soldado because he plays #9 and struggles to score? Difference for me is Soldado missed absolute sitters. Janssen isn't doing that

He wasn't at the beginning but I think they are different strikers anyway.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Yes, I agree.

Although, I'm sure I don't need to tell you that we're building a new stadium. Poch and Levy have stated many times that we will have to be frugal until it is completed. So that means taking chances on GKN/Janssen and hoping they develop into high level players. Just like we took chances on players like Alli and Dier.

These financial arguments and the new stadium all sound very logical and sound, don't they. You are sort of an imbecile if you don't understand said arguments. Until - until - you start looking at the actual actions on an aggregated basis of whoever is in charge of transfers.

Over two summer transfer windows, we have spent (reportedly) 117 000 000 pounds on 9 first team players (N'Koudou, Sissoko, Janssen, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Wimmer, Trippier, N'Jie and Son). I certainly don't know what salary they are one, but let's say they have 400 000 pounds a week among them (the real number might be larger).

If we look at those 9 players, 2 (!) have managed the art of establishing themselves as obvious choices for the match day squad (and indeed for the starting line up). A further 2 are in the contention for the match day squad, but nowhere near being part of the most trusted 11 players. 5 are various forms of fringe players, 1 even in a different country.

You may play the role of a sobering accountant, but npbody can stand up straight talking of frugality and lack of economic power knowing that out of 117 million pounds in fees and 400 000 in weekly wages, we have managed to secure 2 players of real value on the pitch.

Looking at it this way, it is due to a complete lack of any sensible (transfer) judgment that we aren't better off in terms of number of highly, highly trusted players in the squad.

I will admit that I'm taking the rather extreme view here, because some of those 9 players we probably did need even if they are not playing that much. A few of them are simply surpassed by far stronger and better players in the starting eleven, but their position in the squad is still justified. (Davies and Trippier comes to mind – Son, well that depends on the day doesn't it). That being said, we must have been lacking in decision making power only, because evidently, the economic power was there all along.

 

[yido_number1]

These financial arguments and the new stadium all sound very logical and sound, don't they. You are sort of an imbecile if you don't understand said arguments. Until - until - you start looking at the actual actions on an aggregated basis of whoever is in charge of transfers.

Over two summer transfer windows, we have spent (reportedly) 117 000 000 pounds on 9 first team players (N'Koudou, Sissoko, Janssen, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Wimmer, Trippier, N'Jie and Son). I certainly don't know what salary they are one, but let's say they have 400 000 pounds a week among them (the real number might be larger).

If we look at those 9 players, 2 (!) have managed the art of establishing themselves as obvious choices for the match day squad (and indeed for the starting line up). A further 2 are in the contention for the match day squad, but nowhere near being part of the most trusted 11 players. 5 are various forms of fringe players, 1 even in a different country.

You may play the role of a sobering accountant, but npbody can stand up straight talking of frugality and lack of economic power knowing that out of 117 million pounds in fees and 400 000 in weekly wages, we have managed to secure 2 players of real value on the pitch.

Looking at it this way, it is due to a complete lack of any sensible (transfer) judgment that we aren't better off in terms of number of highly, highly trusted players in the squad.

I will admit that I'm taking the rather extreme view here, because some of those 9 players we probably did need even if they are not playing that much. A few of them are simply surpassed by far stronger and better players in the starting eleven, but their position in the squad is still justified. (Davies and Trippier comes to mind – Son, well that depends on the day doesn't it). That being said, we must have been lacking in decision making power only, because evidently, the economic power was there all along.

I think you're making an over simplistic argument of this. It's a squad game and of that money Sissoko, Son and Janssen(30, 22, 18.5) make up more than half the figure. Of all those players you could argue that N'Jie was the only confirmed failure and we'll probably make our money back on him.

Janssen, N'koudou, Wimmer were all signed as players that would take up squad positions with the possibility of picking up game time and developing into more expensive/vital players and they probably all will.

Arguably of the list Wanyama, Alderweireld and Trippier have all done what they were bought for. Two first team and one competition/backup and Trippier has been unlucky to have Walker improving so much.

Son I think contributes whenever called upon and has a decent goals to game return and is an excellent back up to Kane.

Disappointments would be Sissoko as he was bought to go straight into the first team as evidenced by Poch and he doesn't look close.

To do well in the league you need players that can fill in when you have injuries and play games in the cup comps etc. I think the fact we are second in the league losing only two games despite losing Kane, Alderweireld and Vertonghen to lengthy injuries and also Rose to a shorter one says we are doing ok. I don't see how signing two 50m pound players would of been better than having the options we do for when we are hit with injuries.

 

[Flashspur]

This was all being said about Kane a couple of years ago too.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/player-watch-harry-kane.77170/page-17#post-3787765

Back in 2013 in this thread I said of Kane...

"the lad can be a star if nutured properly....looks head and shoulders above the others in the England under 21 squad which says something about his skills and brain at this stage of his development i.e. he doesnt run around like a headless chicken

he isnt going to get experience watching games from the bloody bench "

I can say the same about Vincent. He has shown talent and a good understanding of the game. He hasn't been brought into play by team mates and that is an issue because of lack of game time. That is affecting his positioning and his runs. He has earned all his penalties as well. Defenders don't chop you down unless your an imminent threat. I think he will be a very good player for us but he needs time. We've said this about all our recent additions and in most cases it has come true. Look at Rose, Lamela, Dier, Alli etc. They all got horrible stick on here from the 'experts'. The fat jokes don't help. The lad has a square frame. I don't think he is carrying a spare tyre.

 

[DanielJohnCosta]

Back in 2013 in this thread I said of Kane...

"the lad can be a star if nutured properly....looks head and shoulders above the others in the England under 21 squad which says something about his skills and brain at this stage of his development i.e. he doesnt run around like a headless chicken

he isnt going to get experience watching games from the bloody bench "

I can say the same about Vincent. He has shown talent and a good understanding of the game. He hasn't been brought into play by team mates and that is an issue because of lack of game time. That is affecting his positioning and his runs. He has earned all his penalties as well. Defenders don't chop you down unless your an imminent threat. I think he will be a very good player for us but he needs time. We've said this about all our recent additions and in most cases it has come true. Look at Rose, Lamela, Dier, Alli etc. They all got horrible stick on here from the 'experts'. The fat jokes don't help. The lad has a square frame. I don't think he is carrying a spare tyre.

i don't think he'll ever be a good player. the lad literally has 0 things going for him.

 

[Monkey boy]

i don't think he'll ever be a good player. the lad literally has 0 things going for him.

Ridiculous comment. Im far from a fan of Janssen and don't think he will make it with us but your comment is way OTT. He has a good shot on him, he's strong and is decent enough in the air.

 

[tiger666]

i don't think he'll ever be a good player. the lad literally has 0 things going for him.

Stupid fucking comment.

 

[Kiedis]

Public service announcement:

Athletes can be heavy without it actually being fat. He's insanely strong, but has that Drogba way of playing where in one Instant he'll shield the ball with two freight trains blasting into him and bouncing off him, whereas he'll fall down like rock if he think he can draw a worthwhile foul.

It'll be up to the coaches to judge if he's better off losing some muscle mass and possibly gain some more agility.

 

[philip]

Over two summer transfer windows, we have spent (reportedly) 117 000 000 pounds on 9 first team players (N'Koudou, Sissoko, Janssen, Wanyama, Alderweireld, Wimmer, Trippier, N'Jie and Son). I certainly don't know what salary they are one, but let's say they have 400 000 pounds a week among them (the real number might be larger).

If we look at those 9 players, 2 (!) have managed the art of establishing themselves as obvious choices for the match day squad (and indeed for the starting line up). A further 2 are in the contention for the match day squad, but nowhere near being part of the most trusted 11 players. 5 are various forms of fringe players, 1 even in a different country.

The two that are in the first team are the only two who were bought as first team players. All the others were bought as squad players.

apart from Njie, Sissoko and Janssen, we would make an profit on the other 6.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Poch obviously decided he needed the option of all 3 'triers' rather than one 'top draw' player on high wages + transfer fee. Even so, I don't actually believe our transfer budget is decided in a way that it's a straight choice between a player on 150k pw vs 3 players on 50k/60k pw. That's just not the way finances are distributed.

not buying sissoko, gkn and janssen =/= we can buy a world class player for 50m-60m, don't know why some fans insist the vice versa

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

i don't think he'll ever be a good player. the lad literally has 0 things going for him.

It's these kind of idiotic comments that will get quoted in a couple of seasons time when Janssen has proven to be a decent player and you'll come out saying "I was only giving my opinion"

I don't get why people like you never learn. You've seen the way Kane, Lamela, Rose and others have improved after initially being written off, but you still insist on giving a myopic view like this.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

not buying sissoko, gkn and janssen =/= we can buy a world class player for 50m-60m, don't know why some fans insist the vice versa

eh?

Not sure if you're agreeing with me or not. We can't afford the wages, it's as simple as that.

 

[Trix]

People saying VJ is overweight and unfit......

From what I have heard religiously regarding Poch, is thatvhe wouldn't be anywhere near the match day squad if true.

 

[sak11]

Public service announcement:

Athletes can be heavy without it actually being fat. He's insanely strong, but has that Drogba way of playing where in one Instant he'll shield the ball with two freight trains blasting into him and bouncing off him, whereas he'll fall down like rock if he think he can draw a worthwhile foul.

It'll be up to the coaches to judge if he's better off losing some muscle mass and possibly gain some more agility.

Id like to add that anyone who thinks that Poch would even think about including a player in the match day squad, let alone giving them gametime, if they were fat or out of shape needs to wake up and smell the shit they are shovelling....

 

[yido_number1]

not buying sissoko, gkn and janssen =/= we can buy a world class player for 50m-60m, don't know why some fans insist the vice versa

We need the squad of 25 players to get through a season. How many positions can this 50-60m pound player cover at once? Also which 50-60m player wants to come and earn under £100k per year?

 

[HildoSpur]

not buying sissoko, gkn and janssen =/= we can buy a world class player for 50m-60m, don't know why some fans insist the vice versa

We can't buy a world class player, sorry to burst your bubble. We can buy players who could become world class but to buy a proven world class player in their prime is beyond our budget both in terms of price tag and wages.