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Pochettino's 'get out of jail free' card?

Spurger King

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A supposedly simple question - has the botched ending to the transfer window given Pochettino more leeway with both the fans and Levy this season?

I say 'supposedly' because the more I think about it, the less obvious and simple it seems.

This is not an anti-Pochettino thread. Nor is it particularly anti-Levy. The main argument is that Pochettino clearly targeted at least a striker and a central midfielder for this window. Throughout the summer we have heard how we have been chasing Berahino and a DM. Pochettino made Schneiderlin his number one target last summer as well, so it's an area he obviously wants to strengthen with a 'starting 11' quality player.

The striker situation is apparent to all of us. Yes we have some square pegs available to force into the round hole if Kane is injured or needs resting, but I'd be very surprised if Pochettino is happy with the lack of options up front.

So given the paper-thin strength of key areas of the squad, and the impression that important transfers failed to materialise, will Pochettino be shown some sympathy from the fans if we struggle? Equally, will Levy be less reluctant to swing the axe considering he's played a big part in shackling this team?

Maybe you think a good manager should be able to work with what they have? Maybe the lack of a striker and DM are not enough to cover up other deficiencies in the team, and should not be used as an excuse? Perhaps you feel any form of success Pochettino achieves this season should be considered twice as good due to Levy letting him down in the transfer market?

I know some will say that the lack of a striker and a DM are really not that big a deal. Personally I think it will have all sorts of issues that will cause problems. For example, Pochettino will have to play Kane a lot more than I might otherwise do. He also has less room to change things up if Kane has a significant drop of form. Playing Son, N'jie, or Chadli out of position prevents them from playing where they are deemed more effective, and could damage their confidence. The lack of a DM also puts a lot of pressure on our young CM's, and without an experienced head in the centre of the park and on the training ground they won't be learning many new tricks when it comes to dealing with pressure situations.

I'd like to think that I'd keep in mind that the window has painted Pochettino into a bit of a corner, but in truth I'll probably forget all about that the next time we lose or play badly. I suspect a lot of fans will be the same (if, of course, we actually have a poor season). I'd also like to think Levy would own up to his part in any poor performances, but is that really too likely?
 

Lighty64

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I think a lot will depend on how the supporters that go week in, week out respond if we hit a slump of form.

Levy is the guilty man for leaving us short, but as I've said in a few threads, surely we need to hold judgement after we have played a handful of matches to see if we really have a problem
 

Geyzer Soze

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I think a lot will depend on how the supporters that go week in, week out respond if we hit a slump of form.

Levy is the guilty man for leaving us short, but as I've said in a few threads, surely we need to hold judgement after we have played a handful of matches to see if we really have a problem
Do you honestly think what the supporters think makes a blind bit of difference any more?
 

yankspurs

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With the fans? It depends. I understand the striker situation is thin and I understand we dont have a DM. But that is no excuse for shoehorning a team into a formation they just dont fit. Sorry Mauricio, but this means you sanctuary 4231 must go and you have to use the 433. And there is no excuse to have Kane start every fucking game. Even if he is our only striker. Use N'Jie. Use Chadli or Son as a false 9. Hell even try Lamela out as a false 9. Also, with the wealth of AM options we now have, there is no excuse for using Dembele in a wide role and using Carroll and Alli in the AM. No excuse for having a shockingly defensive bench, especially when we only have 1 striker. Need those attacking options on the bench. It's up to Poch to manage what he has effectively and efficiently to maximize match fitness all the way through to the end of the season. Youth players will have to be used with the squad being so thin. That means actually giving time to Winks, Onomah, Veljkovic, etc.

With Levy? Is this a joke? Of course it hasn't. When it all goes to shit(and trust me, the odds are very much stacked that way yet again thanks to one Daniel Levy), the bald one will need a fall guy. Like usual, this fall guy will be the manager. In other words, Daniel adheres to the same philosophy of Cris Carter.*

*hat tip to whoever gets that reference
 

Everlasting Seconds

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If upper half of the table and a decent cup run, yes.
If lower half of the table and a cup win, yes.
If lower half of the table, no cup results to speak of, no.
If relegation zone, sacked by Christmas.
 

Donki

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I really don't think the window has been as disasterous as people are making out, the main fuck up is indeed a lack of "target" man type forward. At DM I think Poch has decided to try Dier there, he has played there before and is young enough to adapt and if Sataurday's showing is anything to go by he looks as good as if not better than an older player we were supposedly going to splash £15M on.

So as a BSODL I will say that we should of had a deadline on the Berahino deal in order to at least get in a decent if not league ripping up forward. The only reason I can see is that we thought he was ours, the player himself seemed to think the deal was done and if rumours are true personal terms and part of a medical was completed. So yes what ever happened it was a fuck up. Having said that I don't think this single part of the transfer window should over shadow the rest, our defensive unit has been trimmed and looks better, we have good competition at fullbacks on either side. We have good players, yes they are young but that's Poch's MO. And finally we have pace in attack and I don't think it's fair to say that N'Jie or Son would be "shoehorned" into playing as a striker/ forward as both have played there before.

I honestly believe Poch will be given time.
 

Spurger King

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Do you honestly think what the supporters think makes a blind bit of difference any more?

If attendance drops, and those that do turn up create a hostile atmosphere (I mean more hostile than usual...booing throughout and after matches) you can almost guarantee that Levy will deflect attention away from himself by bringing in the next 'Messiah'.

I just found it an interesting question. Imagine Kane breaks a leg and we can't score for toffee. I can't see Levy coming out with a statement like "well this was my own sorry doing for leaving the club with only one recognised striker, so don't blame the manager". Pochettino would probably bear the brunt of it.

But is there any chance the fans would sympathise with Pochettino, and appreciate the situation he was in, perhaps even in a way that lets people gloss over generally poor management?
 

Geyzer Soze

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But is there any chance the fans would sympathise with Pochettino, and appreciate the situation he was in, perhaps even in a way that lets people gloss over generally poor management?
Shades of Jol there. Didn't make a jot of difference then
 

Lighty64

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Do you honestly think what the supporters think makes a blind bit of difference any more?
when I said "respond" I should of used react.

2 or 3 bad results = the usual over reaction, which usually means Levy will make Poch the scapegoat, and we will be back to square one
 

Spurger King

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Shades of Jol there. Didn't make a jot of difference then

We were doing pretty badly when Jol got sacked. The atmosphere in the stands was mixed at best, and most Spurs fans I knew at the time found his sacking sad but necessary.
 

Geyzer Soze

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We were doing pretty badly when Jol got sacked. The atmosphere in the stands was mixed at best, and most Spurs fans I knew at the time found his sacking sad but necessary.
Yes I suppose you're right, it was more the manner of it that was the problem, not the deed itself. Not really comparable to the scenario you're putting out I suppose
 

allpaths

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unless we start playing like shit like at the end of avb's reign then we absolutely need to stay the course. the side looks like tactically a lot better and we have had a couple good performances. to me the side is taking shape nicely and starting to look very capable, the results just haven't gone our way and im willing to give this side one more year of low expectations. i just hope we win a/any trophy.
 

Spurger King

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Yes I suppose you're right, it was more the manner of it that was the problem, not the deed itself. Not really comparable to the scenario you're putting out I suppose

Yeah the manner of it was a real low point. Even that was more of a solemn rendition of 'I love Martin Jol' than 35K fans demanding that he be kept on.
 

ultimateloner

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The 'who should take the blame' question shouldn't exist in the first place. DL is immovable; that much should be apparent to anyone linked to the club in whatever capacity. Poch should know this b4 he joins; so any reason in the mould of 'not getting players i want' is a poor excuse.

This transfer window is good; not great but one I would take. We kept the difference-making players (Lloris/Eriksen/Kane) and got rid of some of our deadwood at reasonable losses. It wasn't long ago that Lloris was rumored to leave; and for a good enough reason too (he is too good for us).

Every purchase we made makes sense; it is clear which area they are meant to address.

While it is apparent we needed a striker Poch made it clear that he would rather have one that is good enough than to not have one. Berahino may have been good enough (even that I doubt) but at 30m+? Seriously? Not worth that kind of money.
 

JimmyG2

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We are short of at least one specialist striker
and are tempting fate by relying on Harry.
Dier has improved but is not yet an accomplished enough CM.
None of this can be laid at Mauricio's door
but he will take the fall for Levy's mismanagement.
Some problems have been addressed certainly,
particularly the defence and the window has not been a disaster.
We have kept our key players, Verts, Lloris,Harry and Eriksen
but two areas have not been dealt with
and it will be this that comes back to bite us.
We have already seen Levy covering his nethers
by re-classifying an attacking midfielder as a striker.
Mauricio doesn't stand a chance if the boat starts to sink
whatever the fans might think, say or do.
Heung-Mi and Clinton might save his arse but it's a risky strategy.
 

taricco

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I myself am unsure on Poch. So far, I've seen very little to convince me he's the right guy - our football has been god awful ever since he arrived, and I've seen little improvement within the squad.

HOWEVER, the one thing (and it really is the one thing) that makes me remotely excited about him is his seeming commitment to really bring through the youngsters. It's an exceptionally brave thing to do and one that's rare to find in a manager at a top club. It may be madness, but I prefer to see the like of Dier or Carroll - a young English player with real passion - being given a go at central midfield than take a gamble on some overrated Paulinho type, signed for £17m.

Having not been fully backed almost forces him to use the youth players even more so for me does give somewhat of a 'get out of jail free card'. He does need to get them playing some decent football at some point though.
 

crokey

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IMO it's just the same as every other season for the last 6 or so years:

Demand top 6, delighted with anything better.
 
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