Poll On Poch

[guiltyparty]

PS: was it just me who thought this was going to be Graham Poll giving Poch a dressing down in his column?

 

[Blake Griffin]

If these recent games (at least since the cup final) are anything to go by, who here can honestly put up with another year of this shit?!

what shit? spurs are roughly where they should be. we sacked harry. we sacked avb. we sacked tim. do you really think doing the same with poch is really going to change anything?

 

[Ndombers]

what shit? spurs are roughly where they should be. we sacked harry. we sacked avb. we sacked tim. do you really think doing the same with poch is really going to change anything?

The shit that we have been served up for most of the season. The shit we saw yesterday, and the week before (dullest game of football I've ever seen), and fairly consistently throughout the season, even through some of our wins. Turgid football with no sign of things getting any better. Bar those wins against Arsenal and Chelsea its been painful to watch.

Do we just postpone the inevitable and suffer the same turgid shit for a year, if it looks like there isn't going to be any improvement? I really hope if we stick by him that I'm wrong and he turns it round, but I'm losing faith. And I'm worried that sticking with Poch isn't going to change anything.

 

[Mr-T]

Think it would be nonsense to sack Poch before he's even had a chance to develop a squad he can call his own. We've done it too many times now and know that new managers don't bring instant success - well unless you've got a moneybags oligarch to back you.

Out of interest though, I wonder who the 'sack Poch brigade' would realistically expect us to get in to replace him?

 

[Mr Pink]

what shit? spurs are roughly where they should be. we sacked harry. we sacked avb. we sacked tim. do you really think doing the same with poch is really going to change anything?

I'm very pro Poch but even I have to take issue with this.

The point is if he keeps sticking with the current approach we won't be anywhere near 6th over the long term.

People need to think about the context more and recent performances would not be sustainable in terms of being around 6th in the League.

I guarantee you that we arn't 6th in the League looking at the form guide. Even if you did the last two months, since he inexplicably dumped the approach that was working, I'm pretty sure Palace would be ahead of us let alone us being 5th or 6th.

The context tells us that Kane's goals have masked the last two months. We could easily of lost to Leicester and QPR for example. Even Swansea.

He needs to sort it out and quick.

I'm hoping he learns from this but continue to worry that its taking so long.

Still, I won't judge until the end of next season.

 

[dougie]

Yes because multiple managers have achieved similar results to this set of players. He has got us to a final and brought through a number of young players. We have no given right to win every game. Performances have dipped off but it's been a long season.

 

[lukespurs7]

Giv the guy some decent players and then judge him.

Vorm, Fazio, Dier, Davies, Yedlin, Stambouli.

What is Poch expected to do with that lot?

Davies for me was a ridiculous signing again for the way we are looking to play we need pacey attacking full-backs and Davies is the complete opposite, not necessarily a bad player but not one we really needed. Vorm is fine as a back-up and Fazio is ok, Yedlin is young and Stambouli is just yet another journeyman squad player, none of these were ever really going to be near the first team.

So while some things Potch is doing are worrying I completely agree how is he supposed to work with players like that.

 

[lukespurs7]

Its hard to say if Potch is going to be good enough or not, but for me I think it would be just daft even contemplating getting rid of him we need some consistency.

Its a hard one though, while I'm not for one minute suggesting we need to look at getting rid of him some of his team selections and decisions throughout the whole season have been a bit concerning.

That having said you can always look it things both ways:

Potch is shit:
-Rigid tactics
-Poor team and captain selections
-Singling out players unfairly
-Lack of plan B
-Bad defensive record

But then you can equally give the argument that he's done a good job and I find it far easier to list reasons in this column:
-The squad is not well balanced and his has needed a season to sort it out
-The attitudes of a lot of the players aren't good enough and we need to get rid
-He's improved lots of young players e.g. Kane, Rose,Bentaleb, Mason, Dier etc
-We played very well vs Chelsea and Arsenal
-Our strikers are dog shite (Soldado & Ade) form and technique and a 21yr old kid has rescued us
-We got to a cup final
-We have played some lovely football at times
-It is only his first season

So for me I think we need to look at the situation realistically, make sure he gets players in he wants who will suit this formation and style he wants to play and then start to judge him after another season or mabye 2!!!

Yes some decisions have been a bit concerning but really its a difficult job and we are probably about where this squad deserves to be.

 

[Database]

Off with his head.

 

[ginola99]

The man hasn't really had any money to spend and has made the most of what he has, the back from the dead revival of Ryan Mason is an example of what he can do when it is most needed (Southampton pulling the plug at the last minute on Schneiderlin's near completed exit). Also, he seems to listen to his players before making any final decisions, another example is the captaincy, most players said Kaboul so he gave him the armband with Ade as vice-captain. Eventually he realised this wasn't the right decision and gave it to Lloris and vice-captaincy to Kane with the forementioned players losing their place in the team as well as their authority.

We're still on course for my season prediction of a cup final and top six finish which when considering we have the youngest team in the league is more impressive than just the meeting of expectations.

One last thing, if people really though that the problems we have: inbalanced team, blowted squad, inconsistency, mentality, big game performances, defending etc would all be eredicated within one season then I really think you need a word with yourself. It was evident when Poch began and is still evident that half the squad need to be rid of, that takes time, also we have problems with players refusing to move, in the case of Paulinho it was understandable because of personal reasons (his wife is pregenant) and frustrating with Ade refusing to go.

The list is long and hard, this isn't a job that can be done overnight, even with all the money in the world. We also face future problems with the new TV deal which will more than likely over inflate transfer fees and wages more so than they have been, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

He isn't perfect but then again who is? From what I have seen so far he seems ambitious yet realistic, has focus on youth which has worked for us before and when looking back we should've never have abandoned like we did 2 years ago. Despite his allegiance to defending, have been a defender during his playing days, he prefers to focus on attacking football, although we are yet to see any consistancy from that. All in all I won't call him our lord and saviour but I will say he is certainly worth investing time and money in.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

All the flaws I feared Poch had, and why I didn't want him to be hired, have grown more prominent at the end of the season. All the reasons people wanted to hire him are nowhere to be seen in real life.

 

[bobbof]

Its hard to say if Potch is going to be good enough or not, but for me I think it would be just daft even contemplating getting rid of him we need some consistency.

Its a hard one though, while I'm not for one minute suggesting we need to look at getting rid of him some of his team selections and decisions throughout the whole season have been a bit concerning.

That having said you can always look it things both ways:

Potch is shit:
-Rigid tactics
-Poor team and captain selections
-Singling out players unfairly
-Lack of plan B
-Bad defensive record

But then you can equally give the argument that he's done a good job and I find it far easier to list reasons in this column:
-The squad is not well balanced and his has needed a season to sort it out
-The attitudes of a lot of the players aren't good enough and we need to get rid
-He's improved lots of young players e.g. Kane, Rose,Bentaleb, Mason, Dier etc
-We played very well vs Chelsea and Arsenal
-Our strikers are dog shite (Soldado & Ade) form and technique and a 21yr old kid has rescued us
-We got to a cup final
-We have played some lovely football at times
-It is only his first season

So for me I think we need to look at the situation realistically, make sure he gets players in he wants who will suit this formation and style he wants to play and then start to judge him after another season or mabye 2!!!

Yes some decisions have been a bit concerning but really its a difficult job and we are probably about where this squad deserves to be.

@Database , what about this post is "Spam"? Is this not an answer to exactly what OP is asking? Ridiculous.

And @lukespurs7 , I agree with everything you say. No manager can take over the squad we have, and magically turn it in to a top team. We need to give him time and be patient, just look at how Liverpool desperately were calling for Rodger's head, and next season they were a slip away from winning the league.

 

[Database]

@Database , what about this post is "Spam"? Is this not an answer to exactly what OP is asking? Ridiculous.

Posting same fucking message to every Pochettino related topic.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

I think there are enough Poch threads to not need another one.

Then why post on it?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Stick with him, stick with him. I'm neither happy or dissatisfied at this stage.

Sounds like my wife........................

 

[SteveH]

Are we/football fans not the dumbest group of human beings on this planet?

we even surpass your average UKIP voters

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

That's down to the amount of games we've played (and all the travelling), more than anyone else. Not the way in which we've played.

We were piss poor (not unlike yesterday and last week) back in August and September against the likes of WBA and an exceptionally poor Newcastle. Was that down to fatigue?

Face facts anyone can use youth, new coach, amount of games, the Golden Child not starting or even the coaches broken English for our demise (and yes it is a demise) but we have shown zero signs of improvement this season.

 

[Mr Pink]

We were piss poor (not unlike yesterday and last week) back in August and September against the likes of WBA and an exceptionally poor Newcastle. Was that down to fatigue?

Face facts anyone can use youth, new coach, amount of games, the Golden Child not starting or even the coaches broken English for our demise (and yes it is a demise) but we have shown zero signs of improvement this season.

No, that was during a weeding out process. Team looks completely different now, back then Kaboul was starting every week and was captain, as was Capoue and Adebayor.

Try and keep up, its not hard.

 

[spursfan77]

The football is almost as bad as under avb.

I wouldn't care less if he was replaced in the summer as he doesn't seem to be getting anything out of the players that sherwood couldn't last season. That in itself is worrying.

I've always been on the fence in fairness.

 

[matthew.absurdum]

jj in twitter suggests that there is "no chance" that Poch will be sacked atm