Poll: Time for Poch or Time up for Poch? How Much More Time Should He Get?

[MarkyP]

Wasn't my first choice as Manager/Head Coach in the summer, not by a long shot... never thought his achievements to date were anything of note.. took, what now appears to have been, a pretty darn good Southampton squad, to a rather un-remarkable 8th place finish.. a very "flavour of the month" appointment.. picked up points against Liverpool with them, but against the "larger clubs" think his record was pretty average.
I read somewhere that our come back against A.Villa was the first time ANY Poch side has come from behind in a match to win.... perhaps illustrating what appears to be the fragility in the confidence our players currently have / show when going a goal down..
The lack of a "plan B" people suggested that was evident in his reign at Southampton appears to have transitioned across to us. If at first does not succeed.. more of the same please......
Saying that, whats done is done, and I think sacking him now is pointless.. Will support him as I always have, and we should give him until the end of the season / next x-mas and re-evaluate then... although will be interesting to see what happens when Chelsea smash us for 6 or 7....

 

[Supersi32]

TBH, Pinky, I thought that was typical Rodgers ingratiating BS the first time around. We have been close rivals to them for a few years now, and the Mickeys don't like it. He was never offered a job at WHL, and I am have a fair degree of confidence that if he had been he would have taken it. If he had been offered both our job and Anfield at the same time, I can't be so sure. But he wasn't, and as far as I know he wasn't offered the WHL seat even though he was happy enough to be pictured in the ground while linked strongly with the job. Making us sound second best - the Dippers love that type of sheeeeeite - just like they lapped up the we won;t do a Tottenham, we have a plan. Stinky BS in my opinion

I can tell you categorically that Rodgers was a hairs breadth from being the new manager at Spurs. It was simply a matter of timing as to why he didn`t take the job.

 

[eViL]

5 years, now STFU.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

Encouraging. 67% of people think he should be given the rest of this season and next season too (barring relegation fight, which is frankly very very unlikely).

So much for #PochOut

 

[philip]

Voted end of next season but only because that was the longest option.

 

[SpurSince57]

Encouraging. 67% of people think he should be given the rest of this season and next season too (barring relegation fight, which is frankly very very unlikely).

So much for #PochOut

And if we're on 20 points on 2 January, would you consider that to be a relegation fight?

People are looking at our 14 points and seeing us level with Everton and Liverpool and saying, "Hey, what's the problem?", blithely ignoring the fact that six of those points result from our smash-and-grabs against West Ham and Villa, and were hardly deserved. If we were on eight points, would those people be quite so sanguine? Eight would, after all, be a much more accurate reflection of our performances. It's sobering to consider that, while a point against the Spammers would have flattered us (never mind the three we actually nicked) our show there was one of our better ones. It's also being forgotten that Liverpool's one decent performance this season saw them take us apart. Our being equal on points may be entirely meaningless.

Sorry, but on our current form it looks all too horribly likely that we could be involved in a relegation fight come Christmas. We're barely any better off points-wise than we were at this stage in 1976, and the football is actually worse than it was under Ramos six years ago. Pochettino needs to get a grip very soon.

 

[Geyzer Soze]

And if we're on 20 points on 2 January, would you consider that to be a relegation fight?

People are looking at our 14 points and seeing us level with Everton and Liverpool and saying, "Hey, what's the problem?", blithely ignoring the fact that six of those points result from our smash-and-grabs against West Ham and Villa, and were hardly deserved. If we were on eight points, would those people be quite so sanguine? Eight would, after all, be a much more accurate reflection of our performances. It's sobering to consider that, while a point against the Spammers would have flattered us (never mind the three we actually nicked) our show there was one of our better ones. It's also being forgotten that Liverpool's one decent performance this season saw them take us apart. Our being equal on points may be entirely meaningless.

Sorry, but on our current form it looks all too horribly likely that we could be involved in a relegation fight come Christmas. We're barely any better off points-wise than we were at this stage in 1976, and the football is actually worse than it was under Ramos six years ago. Pochettino needs to get a grip very soon.

Yip, i hear you man, i hear you. We were indeed very lucky to get those 6 points you speak of. And we are also 'lucky' to be in this position that we are in, even with those 6 points, because other rivals (Utd, Pool, City mainly) have also been vastly underperforming for whatever reasons.

So yeah, you are right actually

Still, i think that most think that the problem is Levy and the Players, not so much the coach anymore. Lord knows we've tried a few!

 

[Metalhead]

Wasn't my first choice as Manager/Head Coach in the summer, not by a long shot... never thought his achievements to date were anything of note.. took, what now appears to have been, a pretty darn good Southampton squad, to a rather un-remarkable 8th place finish.. a very "flavour of the month" appointment.. picked up points against Liverpool with them, but against the "larger clubs" think his record was pretty average.
I read somewhere that our come back against A.Villa was the first time ANY Poch side has come from behind in a match to win.... perhaps illustrating what appears to be the fragility in the confidence our players currently have / show when going a goal down..
The lack of a "plan B" people suggested that was evident in his reign at Southampton appears to have transitioned across to us. If at first does not succeed.. more of the same please......
Saying that, whats done is done, and I think sacking him now is pointless.. Will support him as I always have, and we should give him until the end of the season / next x-mas and re-evaluate then... although will be interesting to see what happens when Chelsea smash us for 6 or 7....

IF that happens probably not a lot because everyone can already see they're on fire and quite clearly we aren't.

 

[Metalhead]

And if we're on 20 points on 2 January, would you consider that to be a relegation fight?

People are looking at our 14 points and seeing us level with Everton and Liverpool and saying, "Hey, what's the problem?", blithely ignoring the fact that six of those points result from our smash-and-grabs against West Ham and Villa, and were hardly deserved. If we were on eight points, would those people be quite so sanguine? Eight would, after all, be a much more accurate reflection of our performances. It's sobering to consider that, while a point against the Spammers would have flattered us (never mind the three we actually nicked) our show there was one of our better ones. It's also being forgotten that Liverpool's one decent performance this season saw them take us apart. Our being equal on points may be entirely meaningless.

Sorry, but on our current form it looks all too horribly likely that we could be involved in a relegation fight come Christmas. We're barely any better off points-wise than we were at this stage in 1976, and the football is actually worse than it was under Ramos six years ago. Pochettino needs to get a grip very soon.

We're shite at the moment but on the other hand, Newcastle didn't look too good a few weeks back and their fans were on Pardew's back big time but a week is evidently a long time in football.

 

[StartingPrice]

And if we're on 20 points on 2 January, would you consider that to be a relegation fight?

People are looking at our 14 points and seeing us level with Everton and Liverpool and saying, "Hey, what's the problem?", blithely ignoring the fact that six of those points result from our smash-and-grabs against West Ham and Villa, and were hardly deserved. If we were on eight points, would those people be quite so sanguine? Eight would, after all, be a much more accurate reflection of our performances. It's sobering to consider that, while a point against the Spammers would have flattered us (never mind the three we actually nicked) our show there was one of our better ones. It's also being forgotten that Liverpool's one decent performance this season saw them take us apart. Our being equal on points may be entirely meaningless.

Sorry, but on our current form it looks all too horribly likely that we could be involved in a relegation fight come Christmas. We're barely any better off points-wise than we were at this stage in 1976, and the football is actually worse than it was under Ramos six years ago. Pochettino needs to get a grip very soon.

Six of Liverpool's points were smash-and-grabs, against Southampton on the opening day, and the blatant Loftus Road Raid that didn't even leave the hub-caps on the cars outside.

The one constant here is that six if the top seven (putative) teams in the EPL, including Citeh to an extent, have had poor starts to the season. Us, Liverpool and United underwent major change, Citeh and the Goons don't even have that excuse, hell, United can't even complain about a heavy fixture schedule or travelling away in Europe. Maybe the lower teams have a perfect storm of managers who suit them, or did phenomenal business in the transfer window. I don't think any of us know the significance of it just now - but sure as sh*t ain't sugar it does tend to suggest that a new manager coming in and taking over a virtually new team is facing plenty of odds (this is just one of many) that aren't entirely his own making, and, therefore, it might be a bit harsh/hasty rushing to conclusions about him.

Of course, as Spurs fans what really matters is us. If you really think that we will know all we need to know about Pochettino by Christmas and if we are in relegation placings then he should go, you do, of course, have that prerogative.

 

[Main Man]

Well let's all just hope we aren't in a relegation fight come Xmas. We have a decent set of fixtures coming up culminating with some massive fixtures at the end of the year. I am just going to ride it out until then, and in fairness that is what I have tried to do. But it is frustrating when you see terrible team selections, substitutions and tactics game after game.

Hopefully this international break gives him a good chance to re-evaluate and move us forward.

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

Well let's all just hope we aren't in a relegation fight come Xmas. We have a decent set of fixtures coming up culminating with some massive fixtures at the end of the year. I am just going to ride it out until then, and in fairness that is what I have tried to do. But it is frustrating when you see terrible team selections, substitutions and tactics game after game.

Hopefully this international break gives him a good chance to re-evaluate and move us forward.

Unfortunately the Hull game is the end of a favourable run of fixtures which has seen us pick up just three points from Newcastle, Villa and Stoke - then we have a tough couple. We should have had 6/7 or 9 points from the past three in all honesty - but because we've played diabolically we've only been able to fluke three

 

[Spursidol]

Tricky question to answer - we'd all like some continuity, so the obvious answer is at least to the end of this season if not a couple of seasons.

However - do most fans know Poch well enough to make a judgement ?

Lets look at his Southampton record again :

Poch was appointed there on 18 January 2013 succeeding Nigel Adkins who had already got in the team most of their best known players including Morgan Scheiderin, Luke Shaw, Nathaniel Clyne, Rickie Lambert, Jay Rodriguez, Gaston Ramirez, Adam Lallana - and had got the club promoted from League 1 through the Championship to the Premiership in about 2 and a half seasons. So Poch inherited a decent team - his main signings in summer 2013 transfer window were Louvren and Wanamaya - and Osvalso (left in January 2014 window after a bust up), and whilst he will have refined how the team played it would be a gross overstatement to say that he made fundamental changes - particularly since the core squad he used were these he had inherited, and Pocj was at Southampton for a season and a half.

At Espanyol, he took over a team 3rd from bottom, they finished mid table for two or three seasons - but he was sacked from there when Espanyol were bottom of the table in November.

So far I'm not over impressed with what he's achieved so far - I'm more happy with the soundbites that he'd prfer to offload some of the squad and play more youth, but lets see whether that happens !

It must be pretty obvious to everyone that the squad requires some changes - we lack leaders on the field and with 14 or so new players coming inn the last 18 months or so, the team lacks co-hesiveness. After that it comes down to personal opinion. I'd suggest we bought badly in summer 2013 with the Bale money at least partly to satisfy AVB's ego to have established players and think we need to offload Paulhino, Chiriches for sure, and several other players to end with a squad of maybe 20-22 players (supplemented by a number of our youth playing a part) in January, followed by a larger squad change in summer to get a more balanced squad - with more leaders and charachter (quite possiblt supplied in part by more of our club grown players who seem to fight more for the shirt).

So for me its checking how he is doing on a periodic basis and checking that he still retains the confidence of the dressing room, and that the players will fight for him and the club - something that worries me maybe missing from some recent games where some players seem to have given up half way through a match (eg Newcastle) when they should have been fighting to get back (and those players Poch needs to get on top of or ship out)
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So, qualified support - but we do need to see progress in more entertaining football, players committed to the cause, progress in results and more youth involved (as we can then focus money saved on better purchases as well more committed players)

But if it all goes tits up, I'm not confident in Levy's ability to pick a decent manager to replace him

 

[dondo]

A big part of our problems for the last 2 years is having such a big squad , too many unhappy players because they are not playing regularly.
Would like to see 10 or so players sold in the next 2 transfer windows and replaced with youth and 2/3 leaders with prem experience

 

[SpurSince57]

Six of Liverpool's points were smash-and-grabs, against Southampton on the opening day, and the blatant Loftus Road Raid that didn't even leave the hub-caps on the cars outside.

The one constant here is that six if the top seven (putative) teams in the EPL, including Citeh to an extent, have had poor starts to the season. Us, Liverpool and United underwent major change, Citeh and the Goons don't even have that excuse, hell, United can't even complain about a heavy fixture schedule or travelling away in Europe. Maybe the lower teams have a perfect storm of managers who suit them, or did phenomenal business in the transfer window. I don't think any of us know the significance of it just now - but sure as sh*t ain't sugar it does tend to suggest that a new manager coming in and taking over a virtually new team is facing plenty of odds (this is just one of many) that aren't entirely his own making, and, therefore, it might be a bit harsh/hasty rushing to conclusions about him.

Of course, as Spurs fans what really matters is us. If you really think that we will know all we need to know about Pochettino by Christmas and if we are in relegation placings then he should go, you do, of course, have that prerogative.

And would you describe the spanking they administered to us as a smash-and-grab too? Really, this drawing of crumbs of very cold comfort from the fact that other members of the Top Six Club have also started badly is pretty desperate. The fact that Bodgers is struggling in no way excuses or compensates for the garbage we've had foisted on us. (And what is this 'new squad'? It's little changed from last season's, and if Pochettino is bemoaning the lack of leaders and fighters, he's the one who sanctioned the jettisoning of Dawson and Sandro.)

Quite apart from that, I haven't passed any judgement on our new incumbent, at least not in the post to which you responded. I was replying to a post that hip-hip-hoorayed the fact that 67% of those who took part in the poll backed Pochettino provided we weren't in a relegation battle, and claimed that this was a highly unlikely scenario. I found this worryingly complacent. And is that 67% still going to be sticking with Pochettino if we do find ourselves down among the dead men?

If we maintain our current 1.27 PPG we'll end the year on 25-26 points. Frankly, nothing I've seen so far gives me any hope that we'll do better than this. If we don't achieve even that paltry target, and reach the New Year on 20-21 points—which is by no means out of the question, given the way we've been playing—then we'll be in very serious trouble. We were on 20 at mid-point in 1976-77, when we were relegated, and also in 2008-09, when things were still looking very sticky after Harry took over. Quite simply, having brought us to this pass, will Pochettino be able to turn things around? Will the 67% change their mind? Will Levy hit the panic button and call in another fireman?

 

[Main Man]

Unfortunately the Hull game is the end of a favourable run of fixtures which has seen us pick up just three points from Newcastle, Villa and Stoke - then we have a tough couple. We should have had 6/7 or 9 points from the past three in all honesty - but because we've played diabolically we've only been able to fluke three

I completely agree, but after almost 6 months criticising his appointment I am taking a fresh and more positive outlook.

 

[xtrac]

He will walk in January not sacked is my guess

 

[Spurger King]

Went for Christmas next season, barring a relegation battle. Won't be expecting us to be challenging for the top four any time soon, but another year is more than enough time for his team to start showing real signs of improvement. If not, back to the drawing board.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

He will walk in January not sacked is my guess

He has his staff to worry about too - he won't walk and put them out of jobs.

 

[StartingPrice]

I can tell you categorically that Rodgers was a hairs breadth from being the new manager at Spurs. It was simply a matter of timing as to why he didn`t take the job.

I think I worded it poorly, as I was speaking with that belief to the fore. I meant more that if he had had a contract put under his nose, after negotiations and everything ironed out, he would have signed it, and none of his BS. The job wasn't free for that to happen. He was offered the Liverpool job before it was. That was my understanding. Mind you, for all I know it may have got to that stage