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Tucker

Tucker

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Shadydan said:
The more postponements the more it's gonna fuck teams up that's why I'm not convinced that it's all City, they literally have no space to play their postponed fixtures unless they play them every two days or get knocked out of Europe or the cups early.
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Exactly. I think people are getting a bit over excited about City beating Chelsea too. Don’t get me wrong, city outplayed them, but Chelsea were crap and looked very leggy, while city looked fresh for having their midweek game postponed.

Once the fixtures pile up again everyone will become more inconsistent.
 
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Tucker said:
Exactly. I think people are getting a bit over excited about City beating Chelsea too. Don’t get me wrong, city outplayed them, but Chelsea were crap and looked very leggy, while city looked fresh for having their midweek game postponed.

Once the fixtures pile up again everyone will become more inconsistent.
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I still think theyll struggle without a good striker too. Aguero is made of glass now, and Jesus just isnt good enough. He cant afford to play KDB in the false 9 every week either.
 
C0YS

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Shadydan said:
The main reason why Werner scored so many goals is because that Red Bull side was built for him, he played off Poulsen thus always had space to run into as he wasn't the one who was preoccupied, that Redbull team generally created a high amount of chances regardless. At Chelsea he's been played up front where IMO playing with his back to goal makes him pretty much useless as he has a loose touch and that just isn't his game and played on the left where he struggles to link up with Chillwell and he struggles to get into the game, I said at the time it's the most pointless signing anyone can make especially in the Prem where you'd have to change your tactics to fit him.

Havertz will come good though, he's a bit shell-shocked by the league's phisicality and mentally he isn't there yet, also and Lampard's lack of tactics isn't helping him, he's a talented kid - the comparisons to Dele are appropriate but I think he could eventually grow into a very good modern day no10 because he has the capabilities to play there (better touch/quicker thinker) unlike Dele for example who struggles to play that role .
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I know it's harking back. But this is part of the problem. Werner is a good player, he is not really an out and out striker and if people are going to judge him on goals then that's very harsh on him because, as you say, his success as a striker comes from a very short period of time, at a club that suited him perfectly in a league which also suited him better.

Whenever I've watched him play I see a very talented player, with a hell of a lot of ability, but I don't see him as a striker. He started the league pretty well in terms of performances not output, but has suffered a little with Chelsea's poor form, but I'm sorry he is a good player, and even now is Chelsea's top contributor in terms of goals and assists. He needs to adapt to the league, and there is nothing unusual about his start. If it doesn't end up working at Chelsea we will make it elsewhere. I don't think you need to change your tactics around him, you do if you want a better output, but he offers a lot more than just goalscoring.

Havertz is a different player to Dele as you point out. Dele is really a second striker, more like a Muller than, say, an Ozil. Havetz clearly has ability on the ball, but I mean so did Aquilani that doesn't always translate to being a top player. Havertz started deeper and was pushed up because of his effectiveness in front of goal. The thing is, like with Werner, his goal tally is unlikely to be replicated outside the bundesliga. The bundesliga is the highest scoring big league and teams play in a certain way and when you play for a top club there is a lot of space for you to play into. Mobility is much more valuable than in other leagues and having a point of reference up front less important. I think he has the talent but could see him stagnate and fulfil his promise at the same time.

Scoring in the PL is fundamentally a different skill than scoring in the PL and it's naive to expect that players can replicate Bundesliga productivity in the PL, and visa versa actually. But this doesn't mean that these players are not good enough for the league. But people do need to judge them differently. Was Werner overvalued? Quite possibly but he still is effective and will improve even further.
 
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Johnny J said:
We should have kept KWP and spent the Doherty money elsewhere, judging by this season so far.
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With all respect to KWP I don't think he's exactly what Jose wants in a full back, for him personally it's a good club for him to develop and improve at and it's good for him. KWP wouldn't be starting regularly or be given the trust he has at Southampton so no guarantee he'd be performing anywhere close to the level he is at Southampton, where the style of play also protects his weaknesses a little bit.

Someone like Doherty, who I don't think has been terrible, just uninspired and pedestrian was considered one of the best, if not the best, fullback outside the 'top 6' the fact he probably was signed to play a more attacking role but the opportunistic signing of Reguillon resulted in the scrapping of that system hasn't helped him but the point is some players are suited to different styles and different clubs and just because someone is doing well outside of Tottenham does not mean he'd be doing well if he was still here.
 
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Tucker said:
Exactly. I think people are getting a bit over excited about City beating Chelsea too. Don’t get me wrong, city outplayed them, but Chelsea were crap and looked very leggy, while city looked fresh for having their midweek game postponed.

Once the fixtures pile up again everyone will become more inconsistent.
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Chelsea have been complete wank against all top teams.
 
Yid-ol

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The Premier League says 40 players and club staff have tested positive for coronavirus over the past week - more than double the previous weekly high.
 
Bulletspur

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C0YS said:
With all respect to KWP I don't think he's exactly what Jose wants in a full back, for him personally it's a good club for him to develop and improve at and it's good for him. KWP wouldn't be starting regularly or be given the trust he has at Southampton so no guarantee he'd be performing anywhere close to the level he is at Southampton, where the style of play also protects his weaknesses a little bit.

Someone like Doherty, who I don't think has been terrible, just uninspired and pedestrian was considered one of the best, if not the best, fullback outside the 'top 6' the fact he probably was signed to play a more attacking role but the opportunistic signing of Reguillon resulted in the scrapping of that system hasn't helped him but the point is some players are suited to different styles and different clubs and just because someone is doing well outside of Tottenham does not mean he'd be doing well if he was still here.
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I disagree with all this. KWP would be a better player and a better fit for Mourinho than Doherty. In the few times that KWP had actually played for us he more than showed that he was good on the flanks, performances where he got MOTM on at least two occasions. Unfortunately he was mismanaged by Poch in my opinion. An opinion which expressed at the time. For me Doherty is not an upgrade in the RB position for our cause, again something I said when were in negotiations of bringing him here. But we have him now and he wears our shirt so I will support him
 
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Bulletspur said:
I disagree with all this. KWP would be a better player and a better fit for Mourinho than Doherty. In the few times that KWP had actually played for us he more than showed that he was good on the flanks, performances where he got MOTM on at least two occasions. Unfortunately, he was mismanaged by Poch in my opinion. An opinion which expressed at the time. For me Doherty is not an upgrade in the RB position for our cause, again something I said when were in negotiations of bringing him here. But we have him now and he wears our shirt so I will support him
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Sorry, apparently Mourinho wasn't keen on Max Aarons cos he was too short, nor did he trust KWP enough to give him any sort of significant time, in fact, he preferred playing Tanganga at RB ahead of him. Whatever Poch did with KWP is irrelevant to how Jose saw him, and it's clear that he didn't trust him. Doherty is a much more aggressive player, and Mourinho clearly has always rated him quite highly. Has he played well so far? Not really, but if he was playing for, I dunno, Southampton he might be shinning there.

It's also worth mentioning, while KWP has had impressive games, he hasn't been consistently impressive in the PL, and has had some issues in certain games, at Southampton as well. But more game time is helping him and is adapting very well. But in a parallel universe where he stayed at Spurs I have no doubt that he wouldn't have featured very often at all and it would have hurt his career to stay here.
 
Tucker

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Shadydan said:
Strongest the league has been for a very long time.

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It’s making for a much more exciting league than the last couple of years where Liverpool and City were so far ahead by now that it was essentially over for anyone else. Yes there was the top 4/6/relegation race, but it’s great that there are 7 or 8 clubs that could feasibly make a run at the title.
 
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bloodzeed said:
Can't we just play Fulham?
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That would make sense as they don’t have a game next week. Then we could play Villa the following week. Otherwise if we progress in cup competitions there are literally no free midweeks and we’ll have to play Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday-Sunday some weeks
 
Yid-ol

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Star_of_Davids said:
That would make sense as they don’t have a game next week. Then we could play Villa the following week. Otherwise if we progress in cup competitions there are literally no free midweeks and we’ll have to play Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday-Sunday some weeks
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Makes far too much sense for the FA to agree to that (if villa can't play)
 
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My Amazon free trial runs out on 14th , as the Fulham game was due to be covered by Amazon I strongly support Tuesday if we can't play Villa. :)
 
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