Premier League 2023/2024

[Cochise]

Massive dive from Jota as he realised he wasn't getting a shot off after the touch past the keeper.

The thing is, after the Villa pen against Burnley it's pretty much a case of go down if you feel any contact. We're at a point now where simulation is going to be rewarded.

You can guarantee though that the next time one of our lads goes down after minimal contact there won't be a pen.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

The thing is, after the Villa pen against Burnley it's pretty much a case of go down if you feel any contact.

Every time our players go down, the ref laughs at them and tells them to get up.

 

[Adam456]

Massive dive from Jota as he realised he wasn't getting a shot off after the touch past the keeper.

The thing is, after the Villa pen against Burnley it's pretty much a case of go down if you feel any contact. We're at a point now where simulation is going to be rewarded.

You can guarantee though that the next time one of our lads goes down after minimal contact there won't be a pen.

And they'll change the rules so that we would have

 

[TheChosenOne]

Top 11 Prem

 

[TheChosenOne]

Tuesday 19.30

West Ham vs Brighton

“Smeagols v Eagles Seagulls”

 

[mark87]

Tuesday 19.30

West Ham vs Brighton

“Smeagols vs Eagles”

Seagulls not Eagles!

 

[TheChosenOne]

Seagulls not Eagles!

Fuck yeah - Sorry

 

[spanishspur]

The PL will spend the rest of the season making up for what happened at our place.

I’m dreading what might happen in terms of decisions when we go to anfield.

 

[ernie78]

I’m dreading what might happen in terms of decisions when we go to anfield.

We’ll be down to 7 men and Vicario has to play with his arms taped to his sides

 

[spurs mental]

We’ll be down to 7 men and Vicario has to play with his arms taped to his sides

He'd still be a better keeper than Raya

 

[Cavehillspur]

Did Sky make anything of the dive after the game, Im assuming no?

I see from BBCs match report they dont want to rock the boat either seemingly "Salah's second came when Jota was tripped by Dubravka and he showed the strength of his mentality to send the goalkeeper the wrong way..."

Had it been a Spurs player you just know our player would have been booked for diving and ridiculed by all media, really is sickening.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Did Sky make anything of the dive after the game, Im assuming no?

I see from BBCs match report they dont want to rock the boat either seemingly "Salah's second came when Jota was tripped by Dubravka and he showed the strength of his mentality to send the goalkeeper the wrong way..."

Had it been a Spurs player you just know our player would have been booked for diving and ridiculed by all media, really is sickening.

It has become similar to the days of the Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal popularity/dominance of 20 odd years ago.

The were many intriguing and mysterious decisions made (even without VAR) which were game changers and those mentioned above always benefitted the most. Sky Sports quickly ignored these events and painted the winners as great and wonderful winners as if the fouls/decisions never happened,

 

[PCozzie]

I think officials have got into a difficult position re contact in the box. The two ends of the spectrum are easy; get properly clattered - obviously a penalty. Clear daylight - obviously a dive. So far, so uncontroversial.

But when the contact is minimal VAR/refs are having to make a qualitative rather than quantative decision, and the question boils down to - 'Is this player cheating? I can see there's some contact, though it wouldn't cause a rugby player to fall over if they were trying to score a try. If I say there's 'not enough contact' then I'm accusing him of cheating, on TV, in front of his home crowd. If I think he's cheated then I've also got to book him. How sure am I that he is a cheat? Hmm, not sure. Better give the penalty to be on the safe side'.

The constant scrutiny of every decision and the vitriol that follows have meant that the safe decision is actually to give the penatly if there's a little touch because it's easier to defend that than to insinuate a player is a cheat, especially in the climate now where managers can openly question the ref's integrity and simply carry on without censure.

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

As far as I am aware the term is simulation. That also includes exaggeration of minimal contact made. If the two penalties were not perfect case studies for that then every bit of contact in the box is a penalty.

The clear and obvious line means VAR will not ask the ref to take a second look to make sure he thinks the contract is enough unless there is no contact. They should have had him look at both for the amount of contact made compared to the reaction.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

It has become similar to the days of the Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal popularity/dominance of 20 odd years ago.

The were many intriguing and mysterious decisions made (even without VAR) which were game changers and those mentioned above always benefited the most. Sky Sports quickly ignored these events and painted the winners as great and wonderful winners as if the fouls/decisions never happened,

Liverpool and United have always been protected by officials. It goes a lot further back than 20 years or so.

 

[Trix]

It has become similar to the days of the Man U/Liverpool/Arsenal popularity/dominance of 20 odd years ago.

The were many intriguing and mysterious decisions made (even without VAR) which were game changers and those mentioned above always benefitted the most. Sky Sports quickly ignored these events and painted the winners as great and wonderful winners as if the fouls/decisions never happened,

It surprises me how people can't understand that the teams that have far more possession of the ball than their opponents will also have more decisions and by proxy more contentious decisions go their way. That's just basic maths and probability isn't it?

 

[PCozzie]

It surprises me how people can't understand that the teams that have far more possession of the ball than their opponents will also have more decisions and by proxy more contentious decisions go their way. That's just basic maths and probability isn't it?

You get a bit of a totting-up effect. 'That's not a foul, play on!', then 'that's not really a foul either but that's twice now - be careful', followed by 'minimal contact, but that's three times in 10 minutes. Penalty!'

 

[dirtyh]

It surprises me how people can't understand that the teams that have far more possession of the ball than their opponents will also have more decisions and by proxy more contentious decisions go their way. That's just basic maths and probability isn't it?

think what people struggle with trix is the difference between contentious and downright blatantly wrong/inconsistent decisions. Even with twice as much possession if the consistency was the same i don't think people would care much.

i.e. 'defensive' (not even has to be decisive as they dive anyway) foul in the box against.......

liverpool - pen
arsenal - pen
united - pen
city (to a lesser extent) - pen

spurs - no pen
everyone else - no pen

i.e. blatant offensive dive in the box gives the same list and results, probably with an extra yc for diving for the 'no pen' teams. It's even worse due to VAR because even the use of var (whether to review or not) seems inconsistently weighted towards the same teams.

It just needs more noise from managers about it and it would soon stop. Look at liverpool post their game with us, even their usual level of favourable decisions has increased further, anyone with eyes can see that

 

[spurs mental]

liverpool - pen
arsenal - pen
united - pen
city (to a lesser extent) - pen

Would probably include Chelsea in that too.

And let's not forget Sterling diving twice at ours and not being punished for it despite the referee waving away the penalty appeal both times..

 

[Styopa]

I do think when you’ve got really high profile coaches giving out about refereeing decisions, like Klopp, or like Mourinho or Ferguson in the past, it must plant a seed of doubt in the minds of the officials. Maybe just somewhere in the back of their minds. But because we’re talking about split second decisions in the heat of the moment, that little bit of doubt might be the difference between giving a pen or not giving one, or playing for a few seconds more or blowing for full time.