Quick opinion poll - AVB

[SpunkyBackpack]

He has all the credentials, meticulous tactically, wants a project and hopefully has learned from the mistakes he made at Chelsea (ie- dont listen to russian billionaires). Most importantly he's a rather handsome man, if he can stop that squatting malarkey he'd look fabulous on the touchline, the best looking manager this side of Paul Tisdale, if he could only add a cravat.

As far as i can see he'd be ideal, but i am always wrong, always. And i know shit all about Blanc and don't like Moyes face.

 

[SpurSince57]

Before his stint at the chavs everyone had a burning erection to see him come to us

So he wasn't able to make them play free flowing fast attacking football. The chav team is full of old slow egos who only know how to defend.

I'd be happy for him to come to us.

Everyone? Sorry, I've got better things to do with my burning erections than use them on bearded footy nerds.

No-one except deeply committed students of Portuguese football (I doubt there are too many of those on SC) had the first fucking idea of who he was before he took over at Porto. I wonder how many people on here really knew that much about him before he got the Chavski berth.

Anyway, looks like Larry the Frog's the Number One choice anyway.

 

[hodsgod]

That's just massively too simplistic. Redknapp got Southampton relegated but was our most successful manager in the premiership era. Brendan Rodgers was rubbish at Reading but is now Liverpool manager (and was making people moist with anticipation at the thought of him being our manager), and we all know about Alan Pardew.

If he'd not been successful anywhere else at all then fair enough, but his record at Porto, including in Europe, speaks for itself. Sometimes people just don't fit certain clubs and that may have been the case with AVB and Chelsea. There may be legitimate concerns based on his time there, but it's lazy to say 'he was crap at Chelsea so I don't want him'.

Who says opinions shouldn't be simplistic. I quite simply don't want to take a gamble on a known failure in England, regardless of what he did in a 2nd rate league. He may have been at the wrong club as you say, and he may be useless too. I wouldn't gamble.

Do you require a further explanation, should I mention he didn't utilise the best team that he had, and he alienated players. In fact I can not think of a single redeeming factor, apart from his time in Portugal, and as I say, that is hardly a hotbed of footballing creativity.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Who says opinions shouldn't be simplistic. I quite simply don't want to take a gamble on a known failure in England, regardless of what he did in a 2nd rate league. He may have been at the wrong club as you say, and he may be useless too. I wouldn't gamble.

Do you require a further explanation, should I mention he didn't utilise the best team that he had, and he alienated players. In fact I can not think of a single redeeming factor, apart from his time in Portugal, and as I say, that is hardly a hotbed of footballing creativity.

So which proven manager would you want?

 

[hodsgod]

So which proven manager would you want?

It's a "quick" opinion poll on AVB. let's not hijack the thread.

I have to say, I am completely at a loss at the moment, I don't like Moyes, but I feel he would be a solid choice. I even think it would be good to see him given a choice somewhere, I am not sure it's at spurs.

Being realistic, we aren't getting Guardiola or Maureen. Of the realistic targets maybe Blanc would be my choice, but even then I am not convinced.

 

[west indie]

would have no problem with the appointment of AVB, his style would suit most of our squad.
dont buy this would set us back years crap, unlike seasons gone by where we had 1 possibly 2 top talents in the team this current spurs crop is littered with a whole host of quality players throughout the first team and squad. They were 3rd for a chunk of the season and ended up 4th and its in there interests to give the new fella a chance to imlpement his style and who knows it might get that extra 10% out of them and make them a solid force?

Harry had a 30 year record of managing bournemouth and keeping bottom half of the table clubs up, none of us would of thought he would of taken us into the champions league let alone competing for 4th in 3 consecutive seasons? From perinial relegation fights he was given a chance and flourished and if its AVB appointed he should given that same chance aswell by the fans and judge him on his whole mangerial career not just his time at a club that operates outside the financial bounds of normal clubs with a chairman that knows the value of zero.

They say cloughie had man manager problems, he took derby county to the top of the tree in england, took over leeds player power had him out the door in 44 days, took over forest the rest is history league titles, 2 european cups etc he would have no chance if he was around today.

 

[SpurSince57]

That's just massively too simplistic. Redknapp got Southampton relegated but was our most successful manager in the premiership era. Brendan Rodgers was rubbish at Reading but is now Liverpool manager (and was making people moist with anticipation at the thought of him being our manager), and we all know about Alan Pardew.

If he'd not been successful anywhere else at all then fair enough, but his record at Porto, including in Europe, speaks for itself. Sometimes people just don't fit certain clubs and that may have been the case with AVB and Chelsea. There may be legitimate concerns based on his time there, but it's lazy to say 'he was crap at Chelsea so I don't want him'.

Would that include Porto's annihilation at Arsenal's hands in the CL?

 

[striebs]

No decent manager is going to come to Spurs to try and repeat let alone better Harry's excellent record .

We need a manager who will come in and not do very well thus bringing the expectations back to reality before they get sacked .

AVB would be the new Ramos allowing Martinez or Moyes to become the new Harry .

AVB will be Levy's sacrificial lamb .

 

[lukespurs7]

For all these who are so adamant they will be happy if he gets the job could you please explain as to why?

I'm quite unsure on him. On one hand he did well at Porto and has a good football philosophy but is success at Porto really that impressive? Then there is the Chelsea era...on one hand you'd say he did poorly, both results wise and in terms of man-management however you could also point to the fact that he was mabye too young for that job and didn't get enough respect also due to the likes of Terry,Lampard and Drogba almost running the club anyway...it's hard to say how he would have done given more time. Also he has worked under Mouriniho who rates him so there is another plus point, AND if he came to us he is young so could:a) build a legacy and b) want to show Chelsea what they missed out on.

So really not sure on him, basically a big risk.
Those who voted they'd be happy please divulge as to why...

 

[Achap]

To me - and possibly just to me - he appears to have an extremely brittle ego, and is inflexible and vindictive. A bad case of little-man syndrome. Does that matter as a football manager? Perhaps not, but team-spirit and togetherness can play a big part in a middle-budget team's success, and I just don't feel that he would foster it.

If he's appointed then I would support him, but the thought makes me uneasy.

 

[berbplzstay]

For all these who are so adamant they will be happy if he gets the job could you please explain as to why?

I'm quite unsure on him. On one hand he did well at Porto and has a good football philosophy but is success at Porto really that impressive? Then there is the Chelsea era...on one hand you'd say he did poorly, both results wise and in terms of man-management however you could also point to the fact that he was mabye too young for that job and didn't get enough respect also due to the likes of Terry,Lampard and Drogba almost running the club anyway...it's hard to say how he would have done given more time. Also he has worked under Mouriniho who rates him so there is another plus point, AND if he came to us he is young so could:a) build a legacy and b) want to show Chelsea what they missed out on..

I can't quite recall what actually happened with the Chelsea dressing room. Were they just grumpy or was there an actual backlash against AVB?

I voted yes. I would love to give this manager a chance based on his Porto success and think AVB would be an exciting and bold appointment.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

To me - and possibly just to me - he appears to have an extremely brittle ego, and is inflexible and vindictive. A bad case of little-man syndrome. Does that matter as a football manager? Perhaps not, but team-spirit and togetherness can play a big part in a middle-budget team's success, and I just don't feel that he would foster it.

If he's appointed then I would support him, but the thought makes me uneasy.

He did come across like this to me as well to be fair, especially in interviews when the team started coming under a bit of pressure. If he does get appointed we can only hope that he has learned from his Chelski nightmare and changes his approach. He can't expect to do the same things and get different results.

 

[knowlespurs]

flying in the face of what he did at chelsea i would be happy although dont know what to base that on, have a feeling he would do very well for us, although the fact his team went on to win 2 cups without him leaves me slightly worried

 

[nowayjose]

Im not entirely sure how his approach compares to Redknapps in practice, but i would be concerned if it represents a full 180 going from redknapps feelgood man-mangement to a more pure cold analytical approach. AVB did not seem like much of a people-person based on the Chelsea-feedback. Now if he blends the two and implements gradual change then great.

Hopefully he is able to learn from his experience the same way Rodgers did.
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ooks back on his ill-fated spell at Reading as a pivotal moment.​

'I probably became more clinical after that,' he said. 'I went in there looking to change things too quickly.​

'I went in thinking "right, the club want a new vision, a new philosophy" and I felt if I stripped it down quickly and let it build then that would be okay.​

'But what I realised after that was you are still in the business of winning. You talk about football, creativity and invention, but you have to win games - as simple as that.​

'That was something very important to me on reflection when I came away from Reading."​

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[Wellspurs]

I don't want him, he was useless at Chelsea.

Funny enough that is the response I am getting from "normal" Spurs fans, not sad fuckers like me who spends hours on this forum!!
Long standing fans that maybe only go to the odd game just don't understand the AVB possible appointment and neither do I.

 

[Timberwolf]

At least if we do get AVB he'll have a more personal input into the makeup of the team than he had at Chelsea. From what I remember the only players bought under his tenure at Chelsea were Mata, Meireles (a last minute swap for Benayoun) and Lukaku (who seemed to be thrust upon him from above). At Spurs he'll more than likely have to sign 2 strikers, a CM, a CB (Vertonghen, admittedly not his choice) and perhaps a backup winger. This will instantly allow him to put his own imprint onto the squad and give him the opportunity to mould it, for better or for worse, how he sees fit. He also won't have to deal with a meglomaniacal chairman demanding he pick a certain 50mil strikers every week, nor will he have to bear weight of pampered egos questioning his every decision.

Of course there's still every chance that he'll fail- as is the case with all managerial appointments- but the odds certainly aren't as stacked against him at Spurs as they were at Chelsea.

 

[talkshowhost86]

As everyone has already said, the circumstances at Chelsea were very different to how they'd be at Spurs, so I won't go into all that again.

I also think the players in our current squad are much more suited to his style of play than those he inherited at Chelsea.

If our starting centre backs are Kaboul and Vertonghen that makes the high line easier to play, plus our full backs are all pretty pacey. We've also got a good selection of pressing midfielders which should suit his pressing game.

As with any manager there are risks, and the problems that AVB had in England are particularly fresh in the mind. However we can't let that completely dismiss him as a manager before we've seen what he can do.

 

[theShiznit]

The Chavs you know* will all joke about AVB going to Spurs but they will be shitting themselves that he's gonna do it for us and they'll go nowhere under Di Mateo...


*if unfortunate enough

 

[markiespurs]

Personally, I'm still not totally convinced with AVB and do have some serious reservations about his potential appointment.

But being as Levy didn't ask my opinion on the vacant managers job, I'll do what i normally do and give AVB my full support and base future opinions on results and performances, if of course all the smoke signals are true and he gets the job.

 

[Blake Griffin]

not that i really want moyes here but i'd feel pretty disrespected if i were him(assuming there's been no contact).