Racist abuse in our stands, we need to face it if it’s there.

[Gb160]

Club Statement

During yesterday’s match against Chelsea, Antonio Rudiger reported hearing alleged racist abuse from an individual(s) in the South Stand.

www.tottenhamhotspur.com

Just read it. They’ve also said what I’ve said. Investigation ongoing and let’s properly investigate before prejudging.

You and others are unnecessarily defensive about this.

They're hardly going to say 'case closed, Rudiger mis-heard' now are they?
If lip readers poring over every fan in crowd is inconclusive, it's a very real possibility.

And I don't think keeping my powder dry before sticking the knife in is unnecessarily defensive.

 

[FinnYid]

I fully agree with that statement. It gives confidence that the club is doing everything it can to corroborate the accusations and that the process is ongoing.

Well done to the club.

It also says we have contacted Chelsea for further information from their players (read Rudiger), if Rudiger can't give us any direction when we've found nothing and are willing to let 3rd parties review the material...well, we've given the ball to Rudiger. It is now his job to tell what and from where.

 

[vicbob]

Reading the Club statement would suggest to me there is very little evidence if any at all of racist behaviour from that part of the ground.

Absolutely, however they can’t call him a liar as that would look bad, and they won’t be able to 100% prove it didn’t happen so shit will stick and we will be branded a racist club whenever or wherever this type of thing happens again.
I’m not saying he lied about it, it’s probably a misunderstanding that’s now snowballed so far that he can’t retract either, but one way or another the only ones coming out of this looking like shit is us.

 

[Blake Griffin]

so after all that, the only person to have been charged is a chelsea fan.

i don't think it's right to use the word hilarious given the circumstances but ...

 

[srups34]

At this time however we should point out that our findings are inconclusive and would ask that comment is reserved until the facts are established.

Inconclusive to me would suggest unless the person comes forward and admits responsibility then nothing will come of it. That;s if it happened at all.

 

[Gassin's finest]

Based on what? Hope?

The club statement that was released and posted on here not that long ago.

 

[JCRD]

Do you live in San Francisco?

No, why?

I do like San Francisco though... only been once... would love to go again!!!

 

[LeParisien]

We’ll have to disagree. The investigation is ongoing so the lack of a conclusion part way through is hardly surprising and does not allow some of you to conclude nothing happened.

 

[RikkiRocket]

I don’t know where to begin with this. People are sometimes dishonest so we should be sceptical about all claims of racism until they have been proven?

I would rather an approach if, we will take seriously all claims of racism and thoroughly investigate them. If people are not believed then it will deter people from speaking out or confronting the problem. There’s really good evidence to suggest that.


An accusation is enough evidence for us to take seriously the idea that it did happen. We should try to corroborate it rather than casting doubt on the accusation.

If, when all is said and done, we cannot corroborate the claim then we can start asking why and how this happened. To do that at this stage is premature and defensive. We should not be defensive about this as a fan base. Racism is a problem in society and it says nothing about us as a club that angry dickheads choose to behave so badly. Our response does so a lot about us...


No - wife’s family live here so we visit every year

Ah. Okay. Am moving there in Jan for good.

 

[Shadydan]

That statement by the club is exactly the stance that the our fans should have taken, it's not exactly non committal but it's very much prove it and we'll deal with it.

 

[LeParisien]

Ah. Okay. Am moving there in Jan for good.

Great city. Very expensive. Very bad / overpriced wine compared to back home (Paris). But that’s my only criticism. Know some great bars / restaurants - particularly Mission/ Noe Valley / Divisadero. Hit me up if you want tips

 

[LeParisien]

That statement by the club is exactly the stance that the our fans should have taken, it's not exactly non committal but it's very much prove it and we'll deal with it.

That’s false. The police have not yet reviewed the evidence. The investigation is not finished. The club are taking this seriously and have not reached any kind of conclusion yet.

 

[Shadydan]

That’s false. The police have not yet reviewed the evidence. The investigation is not finished. The club are taking this seriously and have not reached any kind of conclusion yet.

Right so not false then...prove it and we'll deal with it...

 

[RikkiRocket]

Great city. Very expensive. Very bad / overpriced wine compared to back home (Paris). But that’s my only criticism. Know some great bars / restaurants - particularly Mission/ Noe Valley / Divisadero. Hit me up if you want tips

Legend. Thanks. I’ll drop you a PM.

 

[soflapaul]

This is a very sensitive subject and we should all tread lightly. And if we were to be completely honest, while it seems to be on the wane (historically speaking), racism still exists. At the risk of repeating the obvious, someone's accusation is not proof of the event. It is foolish to think so. It could be that they misheard and it could be that it is a knowingly made a false accusation.

And on the other side, just because the club has not found any evidence to date doesn't mean they won't. Even if they don't find the evidence, that doesn't mean that it didn't happen. It is equally foolish to think these too.

One thing i appreciate about the SC is that the vast majority believe that the behavior is abhorrent and reprehensible while insisting on some evidence before condemning a group or an individual. The one takeaway it seems to me is that this is a great opportunity to reaffirm our disgust with the behavior which ultimately will drive it out, or at least underground as well as motivate people in the stands to stamp it out, turn the bastards in, etc.

 

[LeParisien]

Right so not false then...prove it and we'll deal with it...

« Prove it » seems to suggest the onus is on someone else to convince the club. That’s not the case. The club bears responsibility for investigating (with the police) and is discharging that responsibility by collecting all the evidence it can to reach a conclusion. Thé club had not finished investigating or even properly involved the police yet.

 

[Shadydan]

« Prove it » seems to suggest the onus is on someone else to convince the club. That’s not the case. The club bears responsibility for investigating (with the police) and is discharging that responsibility by collecting all the evidence it can to reach a conclusion. Thé club had not finished investigating or even properly involved the police yet.

Okay let me rephrase if the club or police do find any evidence of racism then they will deal with it in the appropriate manner ultimately my entire point still stands, no one should be overreacting, just wait until there is more evidence.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

No punishment for Roma 'monkey chants'

Roma will not be charged for "monkey chants" made by their fans towards Chelsea defender Antonio Rudiger, because of a lack of evidence.

www.bbc.co.uk

Could history repeat itself ?

 

[Gareth88]

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“I hear your a racist father!”

 

[John48]

There was a lot of noise, especially just after Son had been sent off & I'm sure there was a lot of vitriol directed towards Rudiger & in truth I'm surprised how anyone made out anything other than noise, including a lot of booing. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but we have to wait until they've reviewed with the police before jumping to conclusions.

If they can identify someone though he should be hung, drawn & quartered.